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Phenom II X4 965 BE setup vs. A10-5800K setup PLEASE HELP!

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October 2, 2012 7:52:26 PM

I'm trying to figure out which would be the better setup to go with for gaming. I have to buy a motherboard, CPU, RAM, and a hard drive. I already have a graphics card, power supply, and case.

My original setup was going to be:
- AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE Quad-Core CPU @ 3.4GHz
- MSI 970A-G46 AM3/AM3+ SLI/CrossFire Motherboard
- ASUS NVIDIA GT 520 1GB GDDR3
- 4GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 1333MHz RAM
- 350W PSU

The total cost of the motherboard + CPU + RAM + HDD was going to be about $335 after shipping, taxes, and rebates. CPU/GPU upgrades, overclocking, and 2-way SLI/CrossFire are entirely possible with this build.

Is it worth the extra $50-$100 extra to go with an AMD A10-5800K APU + single PCI-E X16 motherboard + an HD 6670 1GB? I wouldn't have the option to be able to do two-way dedicated SLI/CrossFire, and right now the only FM2 socket CPU's are the new A-series APU's. I would be getting the top of the line A-series APU, so there's no chance of a CPU upgrade anytime soon, if ever.

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October 2, 2012 8:07:53 PM

I think I've kind-of already answered my own question :p 

I want to be able to upgrade in the future, and with an AM3/AM3+ 2-way SLI/CrossFire motherboard, there's a LOT more room for upgrades.

I would love to get my hands on an A10-5800K APU, but unfortunately, getting an A10-5800K APU + getting an FM2 socket motherboard with no DEDICATED SLI/CrossFire support + a low-end hybrid CrossFire compatible graphics card is going to end up costing me an extra $80-$100 more than my X4 965 BE setup. I could save that extra $80-$100 and put it towards a new part for later on.

I guess I just had to write it down and look at the whole picture instead of just looking at the A10-5800K setup :p 
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October 2, 2012 8:21:09 PM

Yeah I would settle with your original selection bar a few considerations;

Mobo: G46 is very entry level, it is good enough but very limited, if you go the 970 route look at the gigabyte 970FXA UD3/UD3R.

GPU and PSU, I see you already have but I would have advised along the lines of a HD 7700 series card with a CX450 PSU from Corsair, quality and enough capacity going forward.

RAM: my mantra is more of the cheap the better, RAM after all has the least performance hit on a setup.
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October 2, 2012 8:42:55 PM



What do you mean by the MSI 970A-G46 motherboard being a very limited motherboard? From what I've read, this motherboard can support 2-way SLI/CrossFire, and it can support my AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE. Am I wrong on both those things, or...?
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October 2, 2012 9:09:14 PM

All I simply want to do is run games at decent frame rates (preferably 30FPS constant or higher) at medium settings at 1366 x 768 or even 1280 x 720 resolution. From what I've read, I can achieve that (for the most part) with an AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE CPU, 4GB DDR3 RAM, and a GT 520 1GB GPU. Am I wrong, or...?
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October 2, 2012 9:40:41 PM

There is nothing wrong with that motherboard.

I am not sure a GTX 520 will hit that, maybe mediumish details but it will struggle.
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October 2, 2012 9:51:52 PM

sarinaide said:
There is nothing wrong with that motherboard.

I am not sure a GTX 520 will hit that, maybe mediumish details but it will struggle.


I've just started to do some reading, and I'm finding out that maybe the MSI 970A-G46 isn't the best motherboard to go with...?

Is it true that the G46 is basically a G45 but with a bigger VRM heatsink? Is it true that the G45 had a lot of issues with the VRM?

Now I'm wondering if I should get this motherboard...?

I just want to be able to play games at medium-ish settings with decent framerates, but I also want my system to be up-gradable (if that's even a word?) The MSI 970A-G46 motherboard seemed like the best choice for a budget gaming motherboard with the option to upgrade to a better CPU and have 2 GPUs in SLI/CF, but I also want my system to last a while, since I don't know when I'll be able to afford more computer parts.

I don't plan on overclocking my CPU, but I wanted to at least have the option to, which is why I went with the X4 965 BE, but apparently overclocking with this motherboard is not recommended at all. Apparently installing ANY 125W CPU isn't recommended with this motherboard...? Am I right on both those things, or...?
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October 2, 2012 9:58:00 PM

Like I said, the motherboard is enough but yes it is just a rebuffed G45, the SLI/CF expansions are 16/4 which is not ideal but then again it is a affordable motherboard not a enthusiast level motherboard.

I have experience with the Gigabyte board to know its top quality hence why I prefer it over the MSI recommendation, thats not to say the MSI board is bad, i just don't know much about it.

is there a way you can get either A GTX 450 or 550ti, you may find the investment a little more worth your while, if pricing has dropped you may be able to pick up a HD 6770 or 6790 for under $100.
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October 2, 2012 10:17:50 PM

sarinaide said:
Like I said, the motherboard is enough but yes it is just a rebuffed G45, the SLI/CF expansions are 16/4 which is not ideal but then again it is a affordable motherboard not a enthusiast level motherboard.

I have experience with the Gigabyte board to know its top quality hence why I prefer it over the MSI recommendation, thats not to say the MSI board is bad, i just don't know much about it.

is there a way you can get either A GTX 450 or 550ti, you may find the investment a little more worth your while, if pricing has dropped you may be able to pick up a HD 6770 or 6790 for under $100.


Okay, I've been looking at alternatives to the G46, and I found this: http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=73209&vpn=GA-970A-DS3&manu...

It's an AM3/AM3+ motherboard that supports two-way SLI/CF that can support my CPU that apparently hasn't had any problems according to this: http://www.overclock.net/t/946407/amd-motherboard-vrm-i...

The VRM apparently doesn't have a heatsink, but according to the chart, it's still a fine motherboard for overclocking and such, and it's not known to have any problems.

I can't find any actual reviews of this motherboard though...

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October 3, 2012 3:38:45 AM

In my opinion, Phenom II x4 965BE is much better! A10-5800k is just good if you dont have a plan to buy a GPU because of integrated graphics. But if your planning to buy a high gpu it is better to go with the Phenom IIx4 965BE. :) 
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October 3, 2012 4:09:42 AM

febfive said:
In my opinion, Phenom II x4 965BE is much better! A10-5800k is just good if you dont have a plan to buy a GPU because of integrated graphics. But if your planning to buy a high gpu it is better to go with the Phenom IIx4 965BE. :) 


Yeah, the 965 BE build just seems like a better choice for what I want to do. I want to be able to upgrade later on, and I would be so limited with the FM2 A10-5800K build.
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October 3, 2012 5:42:23 AM

Yeah that motherboard should be just fine.
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October 8, 2012 11:51:04 AM

febfive said:
In my opinion, Phenom II x4 965BE is much better! A10-5800k is just good if you dont have a plan to buy a GPU because of integrated graphics. But if your planning to buy a high gpu it is better to go with the Phenom IIx4 965BE. :) 


Do you think that Phenom 965 is still better than the upcoming vishera? The FX-4300 and the FX-4320?
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October 8, 2012 12:05:38 PM

Hard to say but doubtful.
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