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GTX 570 vs HD 7850 vs GTX 560 ti 448 + BF3

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April 7, 2012 1:43:08 AM

Hello.
I'm getting a new rig (i5 2500k build) and for the GPU I have these choices, considering my budget ($350):

SAPPHIRE RADEON HD 7850 2GB GDDR5 -----------------------------------------------> $279
MSI GEFORCE GTX 560TI 448c TwinFrozr III PE/OC 1GB GDDR5 + BF3 ---> $341
ZOTAC GEFORCE GTX 570 1280MB GDDR5 ---------------------------------------------> $345

Considering that 560TI 448c is similar to the 570 in terms of performance, I feel more inclined towards getting the 560TI 448 because of the BF3 bundle, but I'm not sure if it does worth getting this bundle over the radeon 7850 (1GB VS 2GB RAM)...

So, considering the prices listed above, which one would be the best choice?

Thanks!


pd. I will be playing more likely 1920x1080 (single monitor), and the build is:
- i5 2550k (OC'd @4-4.5GHz)
- 8GB DDR3
- Corsair TX650 V2 650W PSU
a c 175 U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 9:57:58 AM


+1

The Pictarin cards makes the old fermi card rolled out of business.

The first option would be, buying the card RockNRollz suggested, because it's performance is the same as GTX 580 and would outperform your 3 card that you suggested by some margin.

The second option will be getting this card, it will perform around those card you suggested, but with better cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(If you like Twin frozer III, here, but you have to wait until it's stocked back)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Third will be getting the GTX 560 ti 448 with BF3 Bundle, but in my opinion getting that card from newegg and buy BF3 separately will be cheaper (I suggested this because the card has BF3 bundle, but really, this card performs the worst among the options we have according to tom's hardware).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Good luck to you.
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April 7, 2012 2:46:30 PM

The 7870 is too expensive for me unfortunately.

Here I found some BF3 1920x1080 high quality settings benchmarks:

1) http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-...
GTX 570 1.25GB ----------------> ~51.7 average FPS
GTX 560TI 448c 1.25GB -------> ~48.15 average FPS (~3.55 FPS less)

2) http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
GTX 570 1.25GB ----------------> ~56.1 average FPS
HD 7850 2GB --------------------> ~54.7 average FPS (~1.4 FPS less)

So I guess they're pretty close in performance and the 7850 is between the gtx 570 and the 560 ti 448, so the 7850 should be a better choice considering their prices and the 2GB vs 1.25GB GDDR5, but I read this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
At the bottom they say the 7850 has compatibility issues with some games and hardware configurations.

So I'm considering to get the 560ti 448 over the 7850 again...
Is 1.25GB too little memory? I want it to last more than a year.

I also found that an OC'd 560ti 448 could outperform the 570: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-...
It seems to be a good option to save money, what do you think?

Thank you very much for your replies.

pd. I'm from Europe, so prices are a bit more expensive here copared to newegg
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 3:01:48 PM

BF3 can use more than 1.2GB of VRAM....
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 3:14:30 PM

diec4st said:
This 7870 is 349.99 with free shipping! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Out of these 3 I would say 7850 but if you can stretch the extra cash the 7870 would be the best option as it trades blows with the GTX 580!

The OP is from Europe. He doesn't have access to Newegg....
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 3:28:36 PM

mivic said:
The 7870 is too expensive for me unfortunately.

Here I found some BF3 1920x1080 high quality settings benchmarks:

1) http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-...
GTX 570 1.25GB ----------------> ~51.7 average FPS
GTX 560TI 448c 1.25GB -------> ~48.15 average FPS (~3.55 FPS less)

2) http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
GTX 570 1.25GB ----------------> ~56.1 average FPS
HD 7850 2GB --------------------> ~54.7 average FPS (~1.4 FPS less)

So I guess they're pretty close in performance and the 7850 is between the gtx 570 and the 560 ti 448, so the 7850 should be a better choice considering their prices and the 2GB vs 1.25GB GDDR5, but I read this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
At the bottom they say the 7850 has compatibility issues with some games and hardware configurations.

So I'm considering to get the 560ti 448 over the 7850 again...
Is 1.25GB too little memory? I want it to last more than a year.

I also found that an OC'd 560ti 448 could outperform the 570: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-...
It seems to be a good option to save money, what do you think?

Thank you very much for your replies.

pd. I'm from Europe, so prices are a bit more expensive here copared to newegg


The reason why it has compatibility issues is because it is relatively new, but once drivers are updated, it should perform better, and actually bring about 10% increased performance just because of those driver updates, not to mention you can overclock , so yeah 7850 is your very best option if you can't go 7870.
April 7, 2012 3:32:43 PM

Why not the 7870?
a c 175 U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 3:44:12 PM

mivic said:
The 7870 is too expensive for me unfortunately.

Here I found some BF3 1920x1080 high quality settings benchmarks:

1) http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-...
GTX 570 1.25GB ----------------> ~51.7 average FPS
GTX 560TI 448c 1.25GB -------> ~48.15 average FPS (~3.55 FPS less)

2) http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
GTX 570 1.25GB ----------------> ~56.1 average FPS
HD 7850 2GB --------------------> ~54.7 average FPS (~1.4 FPS less)

So I guess they're pretty close in performance and the 7850 is between the gtx 570 and the 560 ti 448, so the 7850 should be a better choice considering their prices and the 2GB vs 1.25GB GDDR5, but I read this:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
At the bottom they say the 7850 has compatibility issues with some games and hardware configurations.

So I'm considering to get the 560ti 448 over the 7850 again...
Is 1.25GB too little memory? I want it to last more than a year.

I also found that an OC'd 560ti 448 could outperform the 570: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-...
It seems to be a good option to save money, what do you think?

Thank you very much for your replies.

pd. I'm from Europe, so prices are a bit more expensive here copared to newegg

I see you are from europe, but still the best option is the 7850 because the 7870 is too expensive for you. A 560 ti 448 with BF3 costs $340 while a 7850 costs $280. So if you want to get BF3 alone, which is $55, means that you will pay $280+$55=$335. $5 less than 560 ti 448, with more performance and VRAMs. I know they have some issues, but that was tested when 12.3 wasn't a WHQL driver, and now 12.3 is WHQL and 12.4 comes out as beta which should fix problems especially in 7800 (Pictarin cards).
a c 171 U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 4:30:24 PM

I think the question is do you want/need BF3? I have zero interest in that game so getting it means nothing to me. If you want it, buy the card that gives it to you. If you don't want it, then just buy the cheapest of those cards. As was pointed out they all perform around the same so why pay extra for similar performance?

Edit: Forgot to mention that's a pretty healthy bump in price for just a game. It might be cheapest to just buy the cheapest card and a copy of BF3. Or better yet a game you really care about if you don't like BF3.
April 7, 2012 6:07:37 PM

einterlan said:
Why not the 7870?

Because the cheapest 7870 I have been able to find is ~$387 and my budget is $350.

refillable said:
I see you are from europe, but still the best option is the 7850 because the 7870 is too expensive for you. A 560 ti 448 with BF3 costs $340 while a 7850 costs $280. So if you want to get BF3 alone, which is $55, means that you will pay $280+$55=$335. $5 less than 560 ti 448, with more performance and VRAMs. I know you will run some issues, but that was tested when 12.3 wasn't a WHQL driver, and now 12.3 is WHQL and 12.4 comes out as beta which should fix problems especially in 7800 (Pictarin cards).

I wouldn't like to purchase a new rig and have issues the first day I boot it :??: 
How long does it usually take them to solve this kind of issues?

4745454b said:
I think the question is do you want/need BF3? I have zero interest in that game so getting it means nothing to me. If you want it, buy the card that gives it to you. If you don't want it, then just buy the cheapest of those cards. As was pointed out they all perform around the same so why pay extra for similar performance?

Edit: Forgot to mention that's a pretty healthy bump in price for just a game. It might be cheapest to just buy the cheapest card and a copy of BF3. Or better yet a game you really care about if you don't like BF3.

I don't "need" BF3 but I would play it for sure if I get the BF3 bundle otherwise I would probably get other game, or just wait for Diablo III.

striker410 said:
http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Other+products/PALI...
I think this is the way to go. It's the lowest I've ever seen a GTX 560 448 go for.

180 GBP --> ~$285
Not bad, but they don't seem to ship outside the UK, and I'm from Spain.


The best prices I've been able to find here below $350 are:
Sapphire HD 7850 2GB ($279)
ASUS HD 7850 2GB ($334)
MSI GTX 560 TI 448 1.25GB + BF3 ($341)
ZOTAC GTX 570 1.25GB ($345)

The MSI 560 TI 448 without BF3 unbelievably costs the same, so it's not an option to save money.

Thanks!
April 7, 2012 10:28:55 PM

It really seems seems like an easy decision to me...get the 7850. It OCs well and you can probably even get its performance close to the 7870.
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 11:05:10 PM

tuffluck said:
It really seems seems like an easy decision to me...get the 7850. It OCs well and you can probably even get its performance close to the 7870.

A poster on another forum has his 7850 within a few points of my 7870 in 3DMark11.....so, at least in benchmarks it can get pretty close.
April 8, 2012 12:24:55 AM

But what about the driver issues? Are they fixed yet?

Edit: I found this:
INNO3D GTX 570 Game Pack for ~$300
The price is really good, but what about the brand? Is it reliable? The card has only 1 fan, while other brands put 2 fans, is this an issue or one fan is enough?

Thanks
a b U Graphics card
April 8, 2012 2:12:18 AM

Anything "new" is going to have growing pains. If it scares you, spend a little more for something older that draws more power and generates more heat...
April 8, 2012 2:36:25 AM

7850 drivers are fixed.
a c 175 U Graphics card
April 8, 2012 3:55:40 AM

Sorry... Mistake at the last post I made is fixed.

Yeah the Inno3D is very good, but you still need to get BF3 and that will make you pay $355... So the MSI one has the better value.
April 8, 2012 11:18:23 PM

refillable said:
Sorry... Mistake at the last post I made is fixed.

Yeah the Inno3D is very good, but you still need to get BF3 and that will make you pay $355... So the MSI one has the better value.

Yes, It seems to be the best price/performance option. I will try to OC it to match the 570's performance.

Thank you all for the replies.
a c 175 U Graphics card
April 9, 2012 5:15:33 AM

your welcome
April 10, 2012 10:01:46 AM

+1 to the 7850, i have it, the sapphire version, no problems in any games i've played so i dunno what people talking about with driver issue, i play skyrim, bf3, bfbc2, games like that,

performance is great, overclocked to 1050/1450 with ease, no problems , runs really cool with such a high overclock (stock is 860/1200), best of all only takes 1 6 pin which is great for me considering my powersupply only supports 2 6pins with no molex connectors, so i can then crossfire with this card, to surpass the gtx580.

for less money then 1 gtx580, plus before i got this card i had a sli nvidia system(2xgtx550ti's), which although the frame rates seem to be fairly high over 30fps min, it still felt very laggy, choppy in bf3 and it was consuming more power then 1 gtx570

where is this i get more performance then those 2 cards with 1 card, and because it was a sli system i had micro stuttering and alot of heat, those 2 cards without custom fan settings would reach 80 degrees celcius each, which in my opinion is bad, so i had the choice of loud fans or hot cards, not great choices,

anyway rambling on here, i strongly strongly suggest the HD7850 because you can crossfire even with a basic powersupply, e.g. 600watt would be enough.

and the performance of 1 card is great already because dont forget these cards use the latest tesselation engine which improves the frame rate and smoothness of games when heavy tesselation is involved, i would of gone with a nvidia 600 series card e.g. there mid range 600 series, but they are messing around its not worth the wait in my opinion



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