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June 6, 2012 4:43:18 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Next month

Budget Range: 1000-1300

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing internet, blue-ray movies, autocad, flight simulator, using some simulator of geological structures.

Parts Not Required: Speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, us.ncix, amazon, microcenter.

Parts Preferences: Intel or AMD same thing for me... I'm not AMD fanboy or Intel fanboy...

Overclocking: EDIT: NO

SLI or Crossfire: No

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: I would like a window on my case and also to be most quiet possible.


This is what I was thinking of:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ThermalCompound 12$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Heatsink 34$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ASUS Monitor 170$us
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Radeon 6870 180$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... LiteOn Blue-Ray Drive 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ASUS M5A97 95$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... AMD Phenom II X4 965 120$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... AntecElevenHundred 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Seasonic 520w 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 8Gb Ram DDR3 55$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Crucial M4 64GB SSD 85$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Barracuda 1TB 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 2COUGAR CF 30$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... BlackWidow 80$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Deathadder 60$
Total: 1241$


Good build ? :sweat: 

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June 6, 2012 4:47:05 PM

First off ditch the expensive peripherals, the extra case fans and the extra thermal compound - you're paying way too much for that stuff and they're not needed for the initial build. Put that money in the GPU. I wouldn't get an SSD either. You can always add one later on once you get the build up and running.

Here's what I would get on a $1300 budget with monitor:

Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 - $59.99
PSU: Corsair Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 - $89.99 ($20.00 MIR)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H - $119.99
CPU: 3.4GHz Intel Core i5-3570K - $249.99
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo - $33.99
RAM: 8GB G.Skill Ripjaw 1600MHz 1.5V - $46.99
SSD: 128GB Crucial M4 - $127.99
HD: 2TB Seagate Barracuda Green - $119.99
Optical: Lite On DVD Burner - $17.99
Video Card: Power Color Radeon HD 7850 - $249.99
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium - $99.99
Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers - $169.99

Total: $1,386.89 - $20.00 MIR = $1,366.89

Add whatever peripherals you want and you're good to go.
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June 6, 2012 4:54:59 PM

If his budget is for a keyboard and mouse too, how will he get them when you already used up his budget?
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June 6, 2012 5:00:59 PM

azeem40 said:
If his budget is for a keyboard and mouse too, how will he get them when you already used up his budget?


I usually don't recommend those things because I don't want to spend $80 on a keyboard and $70 on a mouse when that's $150 of your budget, I'd put that in the GPU and get a cheap keyboard and mouse set like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And then you can get the nice ones once you get the build up and running.
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June 6, 2012 5:05:41 PM

And how will he pass the post without a keyboard? And how will he set up a username when installing windows?
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June 6, 2012 5:25:01 PM

azeem40 said:
And how will he pass the post without a keyboard? And how will he set up a username when installing windows?


Again I will say that I'm not a fan of spending $150 on a $1300 budget on peripherals. You can get the cheap ones like I linked to now and get the expensive ones later on. If you have to you can cut back on the storage solution and drop the SSD to get peripherals but I still wouldn't spend $150 on that stuff. That's just me.
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June 6, 2012 5:31:50 PM

You don't have to spend so much on a keyboard IMO. :p 
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June 6, 2012 5:50:41 PM

But would you rather get good computer guts and generic peripherals or weak guts and nice peripherals???
-Bruce
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June 6, 2012 5:52:31 PM

dish_moose said:
But would you rather get good computer guts and generic peripherals or weak guts and nice peripherals???
-Bruce


Good question - that depends mainly on what the system is going to be used for. If it's gaming I'd definitely suggest the former and that's all entirely budget dependent. The thing is you can always get nice peripherals once you get your build up and running - it's easier to add those than it is to add say - a new motherboard.
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June 6, 2012 5:53:16 PM

I would rather get good guts since that is what really determines performance.
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June 6, 2012 5:56:42 PM

g-unit1111 said:
First off ditch the expensive peripherals, the extra case fans and the extra thermal compound - you're paying way too much for that stuff and they're not needed for the initial build. Put that money in the GPU. I wouldn't get an SSD either. You can always add one later on once you get the build up and running.

Here's what I would get on a $1300 budget with monitor:

Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 - $59.99
PSU: Corsair Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 - $89.99 ($20.00 MIR)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H - $119.99
CPU: 3.4GHz Intel Core i5-3570K - $249.99
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo - $33.99
RAM: 8GB G.Skill Ripjaw 1600MHz 1.5V - $46.99
SSD: 128GB Crucial M4 - $127.99
HD: 2TB Seagate Barracuda Green - $119.99
Optical: Lite On DVD Burner - $17.99
Video Card: Power Color Radeon HD 7850 - $249.99
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium - $99.99
Monitor: ASUS VH236H Black 23" Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers - $169.99

Total: $1,386.89 - $20.00 MIR = $1,366.89

Add whatever peripherals you want and you're good to go.


Thanks for the reply.

1. That case has no window I would like one with window
2. In that case I would take the i5 3450 from microcenter for 150$. Now that I think I wont have the time to OC stuff but I'll still buying the cpu heatsink because the normal temperature in summer over here is like 32ºC and max 40ºC.
3. HDD 2tb is waaaaay too much for me I think. I'll keep the 1TB barracuda if I need more space I'll buy another one down the road.
4. That's a LiteOn burner? You mean only to burn blueray disks :heink:  ? I want to read blueray discs to watch movies bro :lol: 
5. Thanks I forgot the OS.
6. I don't want speakers on my monitor I have a 5.1 home theater already :na:  , forgot to say that, thanks anyway :D 
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June 6, 2012 5:58:08 PM

Burners can play and burn blu rays buddy. :p 

Then don't use the speakers..
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June 6, 2012 6:00:27 PM

g-unit1111 said:
I usually don't recommend those things because I don't want to spend $80 on a keyboard and $70 on a mouse when that's $150 of your budget, I'd put that in the GPU and get a cheap keyboard and mouse set like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And then you can get the nice ones once you get the build up and running.


I think you're right man thats too much for a keyboard and mouse. Anyway I think I'll keep with keyboard and buy some 5 bucks random mouse :lol: 
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June 6, 2012 6:02:41 PM

azeem40 said:
You don't have to spend so much on a keyboard IMO. :p 



I think spending 70-80 bucks in a good keyboard that will work my entire life is good. I might be overkilling with the 80$ mouse :lol:  . So the mouse is out and I'll take some 5bucks random mouse.
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June 6, 2012 6:03:04 PM

majadito said:
Thanks for the reply.

1. That case has no window I would like one with window
2. In that case I would take the i5 3450 from microcenter for 150$. Now that I think I wont have the time to OC stuff but I'll still buying the cpu heatsink because the normal temperature in summer over here is like 32ºC and max 40ºC.
3. HDD 2tb is waaaaay too much for me I think. I'll keep the 1TB barracuda if I need more space I'll buy another one down the road.
4. That's a LiteOn burner? You mean only to burn blueray disks :heink:  ? I want to read blueray discs to watch movies bro :lol: 
5. Thanks I forgot the OS.
6. I don't want speakers on my monitor I have a 5.1 home theater already :na:  , forgot to say that, thanks anyway :D 


1. OK try this case then: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. The i5-3450 can't be overclocked, if you want to overclock you should get the i5-3570K. I can understand about temperature cooling issues but you should check out this article about picking parts for an air cooled system: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cooling-airflow-hea...

3. Then yeah you can cut down on the storage and save some money there. If you don't need the SSD you can drop it and invest the money elsewhere - upgrading your GPU and case for instance.

4. If you want BD-R then get this drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6. Nobody buys monitors for the speakers - they're just included in the product specifications. :lol: 
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June 6, 2012 6:04:34 PM

azeem40 said:
Burners can play and burn blu rays buddy. :p 

Then don't use the speakers..



Didn't know that :na:  ... Thanks :) 
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June 6, 2012 6:05:44 PM

azeem40 said:
And how will he pass the post without a keyboard? And how will he set up a username when installing windows?



:lol: 
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June 6, 2012 6:12:54 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Good question - that depends mainly on what the system is going to be used for. If it's gaming I'd definitely suggest the former and that's all entirely budget dependent. The thing is you can always get nice peripherals once you get your build up and running - it's easier to add those than it is to add say - a new motherboard.




You're right but here where I live the BlackWidow Mec keyboard cost 135$ and the mouse same price :heink:  ... So I'm going to the US next month and I'll buy all my stuff ready to ship with me back to my home country so I have only 1 chance to buy what I have to buy. :cry: 
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June 6, 2012 6:19:03 PM

g-unit1111 said:
1. OK try this case then: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. The i5-3450 can't be overclocked, if you want to overclock you should get the i5-3570K. I can understand about temperature cooling issues but you should check out this article about picking parts for an air cooled system: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cooling-airflow-hea...

3. Then yeah you can cut down on the storage and save some money there. If you don't need the SSD you can drop it and invest the money elsewhere - upgrading your GPU and case for instance.

4. If you want BD-R then get this drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6. Nobody buys monitors for the speakers - they're just included in the product specifications. :lol: 




1.- That was the one I picked first :lol: 

2.- Yeah I changed the main post to "no overclocking" :) 

3.- :non:  :D  I need the SDD man!! I want lightning speeds on boot, web browsing, all small programs, etc,etc. :D 

6.- I still like more the first one I picked :ange: 


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June 6, 2012 6:29:43 PM

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G110 with R.A.T 3... potent setup for the money ;) 



R.A.T 3 wtf is that thing bro!!! A transformer ??? :pt1cable: 
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June 6, 2012 6:31:31 PM

Changes made so far:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835103099 Heatsink 34$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824236175 ASUS Monitor 170$us
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102948 Radeon 6870 180$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106374 LiteOn Blue-Ray Drive 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... MG Gigabyte H77120$
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... Core i5 3450 150$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129178 AntecElevenHundred 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817151093 Seasonic 520w 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... G.Skill Ripjaws 47$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148524 Crucial M4 64GB SSD 85$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148321 Barracuda 1TB 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835553002 2COUGAR CF 30$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823114011 BlackWidow Keyboard 80$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... OS 100$

Total: 1316$
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June 6, 2012 6:47:01 PM

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$220 will get you a GTX 480.... worth the $40 more over the 6870... trust me.

Do you play BF3?



I can't with this rig :cry:  . But that's the game I want to play most ! :na:  :D  :pt1cable: 
I know nvidia cards are better on BF3 but that GTX 480 takes 250W ( 100 + than 6870 and even more than 7850) and I think it produces way more heat:(  . What about GTX 560ti ?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 6, 2012 6:49:44 PM

majadito said:
1.- That was the one I picked first :lol: 

2.- Yeah I changed the main post to "no overclocking" :) 

3.- :non:  :D  I need the SDD man!! I want lightning speeds on boot, web browsing, all small programs, etc,etc. :D 

6.- I still like more the first one I picked :ange: 


1. I thought the first one picked was the 900. :lol: 

2. If you're not going to overclock then get the 3450. You also really don't need the cooler or the extra case fans - ditch those and upgrade your GPU to a 560TI or a Radeon 7850.

3. The SSDs are nice, I will admit that. I have the M4 and it's great.

6. That's why I generally don't include monitors or peripherals on builds as they're usually mostly personal preference.
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June 7, 2012 1:36:14 AM

g-unit1111 said:
1. I thought the first one picked was the 900. :lol: 

2. If you're not going to overclock then get the 3450. You also really don't need the cooler or the extra case fans - ditch those and upgrade your GPU to a 560TI or a Radeon 7850.

3. The SSDs are nice, I will admit that. I have the M4 and it's great.

6. That's why I generally don't include monitors or peripherals on builds as they're usually mostly personal preference.



2. Ok :) 

6. True that

Thanks for your help. :hello: 
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June 7, 2012 1:46:12 AM

majadito said:
600w for a GTX 560 ti or a Radeon 7850 is overkill by 100w , for the GTX 480 might be right.


When selecting a PSU you also need to take into account drives, fans, motherboard, CPU, and several other factors. Whatever the manufacturer always recommends I always add 100W for future expansion options.
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June 7, 2012 2:22:40 AM

g-unit1111 said:
When selecting a PSU you also need to take into account drives, fans, motherboard, CPU, and several other factors. Whatever the manufacturer always recommends I always add 100W for future expansion options.


I think you're right again 600w to be sure then.
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June 7, 2012 2:44:39 AM

majadito said:
Changes made so far:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835103099 Heatsink 34$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824236175 ASUS Monitor 170$us
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102948 Radeon 6870 180$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106374 LiteOn Blue-Ray Drive 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... MG Gigabyte H77120$
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... Core i5 3450 150$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129178 AntecElevenHundred 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817151093 Seasonic 520w 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... G.Skill Ripjaws 47$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148524 Crucial M4 64GB SSD 85$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148321 Barracuda 1TB 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835553002 2COUGAR CF 30$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6823114011 BlackWidow Keyboard 80$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... OS 100$

Total: 1316$

Some obvious changes to be made. RAM, H/D, PSU, and CPU are fiine. But the $80 keyboard, $100 case, a heat sink you don't need and $85 for that SSD on your budget is shorting you in the gpu dept. Also if your going to be using Autocad then you want a Nvidia gpu and not an AMD.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-Three-Hundred-Two-Case-... $69.99 Free In Store P/U
Antec Three Hundred Two Case, Black

http://www.amazon.com/VS228H-P-21-5-Inch-Full-HD-Monito... $138.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS VS228H-P 21.5-Inch Full-HD LED Monitor (Black) | LED Backlit with 50,000,000:1 ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio; Full 1080P with HDMI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99
ASRock Z77 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
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June 7, 2012 2:56:10 AM

Why_Me said:
Some obvious changes to be made. RAM, H/D, PSU, and CPU are fiine. But the $80 keyboard, $100 case, a heat sink you don't need and $85 for that SSD on your budget is shorting you in the gpu dept. Also if your going to be using Autocad then you want a Nvidia gpu and not an AMD.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Antec-Three-Hundred-Two-Case-... $69.99 Free In Store P/U
Antec Three Hundred Two Case, Black

http://www.amazon.com/VS228H-P-21-5-Inch-Full-HD-Monito... $138.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS VS228H-P 21.5-Inch Full-HD LED Monitor (Black) | LED Backlit with 50,000,000:1 ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio; Full 1080P with HDMI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99
ASRock Z77 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard



That case looks fine saddly no window but yeah 100$ for a case is a lot :(  . That monitor also is fine. I don't like ASRock mobos. I've read all kind of S$%& about em :??:  . Heatsink out, 100$ case out, I would really like to keep the keyboard and the SSD :(  ... :cry: 
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June 7, 2012 2:59:28 AM

majadito said:
That case looks fine saddly no window but yeah 100$ for a case is a lot :(  . That monitor also is fine. I don't like ASRock mobos. I've read all kind of S$%& about em :??: 

The case was an option to look at. All I know is any build that has a $1,300 budget and ends up with a 6870 is a total hose job and then some for a gaming / CAD build. I'm posting builds on this forum with GTX 670's with that budget. The 6870 is a bottom end card used for for builds with sub $800 budget.
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June 7, 2012 3:11:32 AM

Why_Me said:
The case was an option to look at. All I know is any build that has a $1,300 budget and ends up with a 6870 is a total hose job and then some for a gaming / CAD build. I'm posting builds on this forum with GTX 670's with that budget. The 6870 is a bottom end card used for for builds with sub $800 budget.


GTX 670 was 400 that price was OK. But now its near 500$ :??:  ...
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June 7, 2012 3:29:10 AM

Heatsink out, thermal compound out, 100$ case out, 75$ mouse out, 30$ fans out also GPU out... And... *** :cry:  keyboard out too



Changes:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Asus monitor 21.5 inch 150$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106374 LiteOn Blue-Ray Drive 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... GIGABYTE GA-H77-DS3H 100$
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0388579 Core i5 3450 150$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Antec Three Hundred Two 70$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817151093 Seasonic 520w 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] jnl7b48ju7 G.Skill Ripjaws 47$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148524 Crucial M4 64GB SSD 85$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148321 Barracuda 1TB 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] llox3n3q92 OS 100$

Total: 922$

I can cut 100$ more from the OS and put pirate OS XD, what you say? Anyway I've been working my entire life with pirate OS... I've never, I mean NEVER have an original OS in my computer, so will be OK for me. Thats all I can do, I will keep the SSD no matter what I want to try that thing see if its so awsome as people say :D  .Other question why is so recommended the G.Skill ripjaws over the Corsair vengance ? I don't understand I always got bitchslaped when I say Corsair Vengance for RAM ... :lol: 

Total without the OS: 822$

But to this total we have to add Keyboard & Mouse, help me choose one of this combos

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Wired or wireless? :pt1cable: 

With mouse & keyboard like

Total: 850$ more or less

That gives a 400$ margin for GPU.
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June 7, 2012 3:37:28 AM

majadito said:
GTX 670 was 400 that price was OK. But now its near 500$ :??:  ...

A 560 ti would even be better. It has CUDA which is a plus when using CAD. You want balance. That keyboard can be picked up later...same with some of your other choices. If you don't balance your build you will end up with is a moped engine inside a Ferrari body.

http://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-600/geforce-gtx-66... $300 due out in late July / early August
GTX 660
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June 7, 2012 4:11:37 AM

Why_Me said:
A 560 ti would even be better. It has CUDA which is a plus when using CAD. You want balance. That keyboard can be picked up later...same with some of your other choices. If you don't balance your build you will end up with is a moped engine inside a Ferrari body.

http://videocardz.com/nvidia/geforce-600/geforce-gtx-66... $300 due out in late July / early August
GTX 660



Can't "pick later" I have onyl one chance to buy my computer, I don't travel to the US every weekend dude... :lol:  If GTX 660 gets relased while I'm in the US I'll buy that GPU if not I'll see what nvidia card I can get for 300- 400$. Thanks for your help.
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June 7, 2012 5:07:30 AM

Final build ( I guess):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6824236176 Asus monitor 21.5 inch 150$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827106374 LiteOn Blue-Ray Drive 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128550 GIGABYTE GA-H77-DS3H 100$
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0388579 Core i5 3450 150$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811129180 Antec Three Hundred Two 70$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817151093 Seasonic 520w 60$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] jnl7b48ju7 G.Skill Ripjaws 47$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820148524 Crucial M4 64GB SSD 85$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148321 Barracuda 1TB 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... MSI Nvidia GTX 670 410$

Total: 1232$ :sol: 
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June 7, 2012 4:45:42 PM

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Click buy then.....

You obviously know what you want lol....



My radar of sarcasm has detected some kind of anomaly... ? :lol: 
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June 7, 2012 4:53:34 PM

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