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April 8, 2012 9:39:27 PM

Tomorrow I will be having a 30" display delivered and am wondering if there's any real perceivable benefit to upgrading from dual GTX 570 to dual GTX 680 for gaming @ 2560x1600. The difference is only a couple hundred dollars but if I'm not going to be able to subjectively see the difference then I'd like to know that.

Thanks for help.
April 8, 2012 9:52:40 PM

Um the 570 SLI should run all the games that can run at a full 60fps @ 60fps the GTX 680SLI is a needless upgrade at this point if you already have 570SLI
April 8, 2012 10:11:01 PM

well I've heard stories of certain games not running at all with that resolution such as BF3 on Ultra with AA. It seems to require a card with 1.5GB VRAM.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's the VRAM at that Res that's the problem, the cards are more than powerful enough.
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April 8, 2012 10:19:34 PM

pezonator said:
well I've heard stories of certain games not running at all with that resolution such as BF3 on Ultra with AA. It seems to require a card with 1.5GB VRAM.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's the VRAM at that Res that's the problem, the cards are more than powerful enough.

Still it's seems foolish to spend $1000 on 1 game when you could turn off AA at that ultra high resolution anyway and that way completely mitigate the problem whilst saving over $1000. Man $1000 could buy allot of Steam games thats where I would put the money.
April 8, 2012 10:39:44 PM

Forwards looking yes, otherwise no
April 8, 2012 10:44:53 PM

"Future Resilient" would be a good word but I must also object to Future Proof LOL that is such a logical fallacy and just bad misinformation all around.
a b Î Nvidia
April 8, 2012 11:38:58 PM

My advice is get a SINGLE GTX680.
2xGTX680 is pretty much overkill unless you have a triple monitor setup.

If you are considering GTX680 SLI, wait and get a single GTX680 4GB card. If it's adequate then it wasn't much more expensive (the extra VRAM likely won't see an advantage in any games), but if you go SLI you need the extra VRAM.

2xGTX680:
If you are certain you'll go with this way (not recommended) then wait and get a GTX680 4GB version. SLI and Crossfire setups do not add Video RAM, it's cloned. That's the reason the HD7970 has 3GB, not for single card but for Crossfire and you can see the improvements in several games if you compare a 2xGTX680 2GB vs 2xGTX7970 3GB. You can observe a VRAM bottleneck for the SLI configuration.

RESOLUTION and game setup:
I have a 2560x1440 monitor. I've discovered that for most games it's actually better to use 1920x1080. Basically I get an IDENTICAL image but slightly better anti-aliasing and a lower frame rate.

You can experiment, but here's my rule of thumb for the GTX680:
1) run FRAPS and then the game
2) aim for an average of 70 to 80FPS to minimize sub 60FPS dips
3) if FPS drops below 60 and you have 2560x1600, lower to 1920x1080
4) compare 1920x1080 vs 2560x1600 for quality (Max settings)
5) enable adaptive VSYNC when done testing

*Basically a single GTX680 can max out pretty much every game on a single monitor, and there are a LOT of advantages over previous gen cards so definitely get the GTX680.

Read a few reviews and look at the benchmarks.
April 9, 2012 4:56:35 PM

i got the gtx 680 its a monster
April 9, 2012 5:58:28 PM

1 680 is faster than two 570s, but then something will come out in the next 3 to 6 months that's faster than the 680. Your cards are so new and still more than adequate for gaming, IMHO if you already have two 570s in SLI no reason to upgrade.
April 9, 2012 6:00:56 PM

Oh and I have an EVGA 680, it is a beast! Worth $500 IMHO, faster than two 300 last gen cards less heat less power consumption.
April 9, 2012 6:03:49 PM

MANOFKRYPTONAK said:
1 680 is faster than two 570s, but then something will come out in the next 3 to 6 months that's faster than the 680. Your cards are so new and still more than adequate for gaming, IMHO if you already have two 570s in SLI no reason to upgrade.

A GTS 680 is not even close to being faster than 2 GTX 570s in SLI
a b Î Nvidia
April 9, 2012 11:35:48 PM

Does he already have a 2x570 setup? I reread and it's confusing because he says "upgrading from" but that the "difference is only a couple hundred dollars".

I took it to mean he was debating buying a 2x570 or 2x680 setup.

My advice then is:
- if you have a 2xGTX570 there's really no point in upgrading. Once you're running a game at max settings at 1920x1080 60FPS VSYNC'd there's no where to go.

- if he has neither my advice is get a single GTX680. It'll max out basically every game. It's very power efficient, supports the new PhysX v3 standard, has a dedicated encoding chip etc.
April 9, 2012 11:53:14 PM

photonboy said:
Does he already have a 2x570 setup? I reread and it's confusing because he says "upgrading from" but that the "difference is only a couple hundred dollars".

I took it to mean he was debating buying a 2x570 or 2x680 setup.

My advice then is:
- if you have a 2xGTX570 there's really no point in upgrading. Once you're running a game at max settings at 1920x1080 60FPS VSYNC'd there's no where to go.

- if he has neither my advice is get a single GTX680. It'll max out basically every game. It's very power efficient, supports the new PhysX v3 standard, has a dedicated encoding chip etc.

I agree with what you have said and will add IMO the only reason for two 680s or two 7970s would be to try and get 120fps minimum for running a 120hz monitor in Vsync across most games.
April 10, 2012 1:28:23 AM

Thanks all, for all the advice. I already have the 2 x 570's...just got them last week. I just want to play any game I may choose at 2560 x 1600 with all the settings cranked up and have it be smooth. I'll be doing some testing this week. ...I was even considering 2 x 7970's (and I'm still considering). It looks like I won't be able to get the 680's as soon as I'd hoped...Dell now says 3-5 weeks and I may have to settle for the 2 x 7970's...which I can have by Friday (and then return the 2 x 570's) ...but if my existing 2 x 570's offer good enough performance @ 2560 x 1600 I may just call it a day and live with them.
April 10, 2012 9:27:55 AM

halcyon said:
Thanks all, for all the advice. I already have the 2 x 570's...just got them last week. I just want to play any game I may choose at 2560 x 1600 with all the settings cranked up and have it be smooth. I'll be doing some testing this week. ...I was even considering 2 x 7970's (and I'm still considering). It looks like I won't be able to get the 680's as soon as I'd hoped...Dell now says 3-5 weeks and I may have to settle for the 2 x 7970's...which I can have by Friday (and then return the 2 x 570's) ...but if my existing 2 x 570's offer good enough performance @ 2560 x 1600 I may just call it a day and live with them.

I don't know why you would get mixed up with "Dell" being you are a TH Vet LOL sorry for your luck ;-( GTX 570 SLI will be fast @ 2560x1600 but the 7970s will max out Metro 2033
April 10, 2012 12:56:08 PM

MMO Fan said:
I don't know why you would get mixed up with "Dell" being you are a TH Vet LOL sorry for your luck ;-( GTX 570 SLI will be fast @ 2560x1600 but the 7970s will max out Metro 2033


Lol...Dell gives me a pretty good discount because of my job. I think I may order the 7970's today.
April 10, 2012 1:00:03 PM

halcyon said:
Lol...Dell gives me a pretty good discount because of my job. I think I may order the 7970's today.

Dell PCs Suck along with most of there overpriced shlock however the Dell Ultra Sharp monitors are MINT and you just can't beat the clarity and color reproduction on the Ultra Sharp U 27
April 10, 2012 4:55:13 PM

MMO Fan said:
Dell PCs Suck along with most of there overpriced shlock however the Dell Ultra Sharp monitors are MINT and you just can't beat the clarity and color reproduction on the Ultra Sharp U 27


I have no complaints whatsoever about my Ultra Sharp U3011...just received it yesterday. No pixel defects and its a nice image. TBH though, while there's no problems at all with the U3011's image I think I prefer the image from my 27" Apple Cinema Displays.

Well, I just ordered two Visiontek 7970's @ $489 each so they should hopefully push my monitor for a little while. Thanks again everyone.
April 10, 2012 5:19:39 PM

halcyon said:
I have no complaints whatsoever about my Ultra Sharp U3011...just received it yesterday. No pixel defects and its a nice image. TBH though, while there's no problems at all with the U3011's image I think I prefer the image from my 27" Apple Cinema Displays.

Well, I just ordered two Visiontek 7970's @ $489 each so they should hopefully push my monitor for a little while. Thanks again everyone.

3 years or tell a year after the new consoles come out 7970 CF will do great @ 2560x1600 but I like 1440P better myself because it is higher Dpi
April 10, 2012 5:33:26 PM

MMO Fan said:
3 years or tell a year after the new consoles come out 7970 CF will do great @ 2560x1600 but I like 1440P better myself because it is higher Dpi


Perhaps that's what I like about the Cinema displays...the high DPI. However, the 30" is like having a wall that's a screen. ...a frivolous waste but I'll enjoy it and it should last me a while.
April 10, 2012 8:30:35 PM

halcyon said:
Perhaps that's what I like about the Cinema displays...the high DPI. However, the 30" is like having a wall that's a screen. ...a frivolous waste but I'll enjoy it and it should last me a while.

Well the Apple Cinema Display are very very beautiful but remember your Dell has the exact same Dpi 30" 2560x1600 as the Cinema Display. I think what I like most about the Apple Displays is the color reproduction and contrast is so vivid and life like and the HD+ rez is just the cherry on top plus IPS FTW of course it could be the glass panel that just makes everything pop that much more I don't know but I love it. I would never buy any Apple product brand new cause I will not directly support Apple inc just on principle therefore Dell or Samsung will get my money when I can drop $1000+ on a supreme HD+ monitor. Star saving your cash now because the 4K monitors will be coming out sooner than later and that means resolutions of 4096 x 2160 that will be close to real time images on the monitor ain't technology is great.
April 10, 2012 11:02:03 PM

MMO Fan said:
Well the Apple Cinema Display are very very beautiful but remember your Dell has the exact same Dpi 30" 2560x1600 as the Cinema Display. I think what I like most about the Apple Displays is the color reproduction and contrast is so vivid and life like and the HD+ rez is just the cherry on top plus IPS FTW of course it could be the glass panel that just makes everything pop that much more I don't know but I love it. I would never buy any Apple product brand new cause I will not directly support Apple inc just on principle therefore Dell or Samsung will get my money when I can drop $1000+ on a supreme HD+ monitor. Star saving your cash now because the 4K monitors will be coming out sooner than later and that means resolutions of 4096 x 2160 that will be close to real time images on the monitor ain't technology is great.


I wonder how long it will be before we GPUs that could game well at that res. I didn't realize that my Cinema Displays has the same DPI as my U3011. It must be the coating they put on the U3011 vs. the glass on the Cinema Display. The Dell just doesn't look as crystal clear... It looks like how a phone looks when they put anti-glare film on it...sparkly.

Well I'm anxious to get the 7970's and see if they resolve some weird image-quality issues I see with the 570's...almost like a grid that overlays the scene. It's really noticeable in dark scenes.

...we shall see.
a c 80 Î Nvidia
April 10, 2012 11:05:19 PM

Are you sure it isn't just that you like glossy screens versus matte? I know Apply likes glossy, I personally prefer matte.
April 10, 2012 11:55:31 PM

bystander said:
Are you sure it isn't just that you like glossy screens versus matte? I know Apply likes glossy, I personally prefer matte.

matte is good for anti glar glossy is good for making the colors pop.
April 11, 2012 12:00:35 AM

bystander said:
Are you sure it isn't just that you like glossy screens versus matte? I know Apply likes glossy, I personally prefer matte.


Na...it's more than that. I've read some other reviews that mention it. It's not that bad and the display is still very nice. Well, on another note looks like I may be in for some fan noise with the 7970's...I guess you can't have everything.
April 11, 2012 12:01:49 AM

halcyon said:
I wonder how long it will be before we GPUs that could game well at that res. I didn't realize that my Cinema Displays has the same DPI as my U3011. It must be the coating they put on the U3011 vs. the glass on the Cinema Display. The Dell just doesn't look as crystal clear... It looks like how a phone looks when they put anti-glare film on it...sparkly.

Well I'm anxious to get the 7970's and see if they resolve some weird image-quality issues I see with the 570's...almost like a grid that overlays the scene. It's really noticeable in dark scenes.

...we shall see.

I know I will get flamed but the Radeons do have better image quality I was blown away when I got my first Radeon Card which was a 4890 back in 09 it was so great looking I got another and then it was even better the colors were so lush and vibrant LOL.
April 11, 2012 12:36:46 AM

MMO Fan said:
I know I will get flamed but the Radeons do have better image quality I was blown away when I got my first Radeon Card which was a 4890 back in 09 it was so great looking I got another and then it was even better the colors were so lush and vibrant LOL.

I had always thought nVidia had better image quality but I think that was based on experiences a long time ago...in a galaxy far...far away.
a c 80 Î Nvidia
April 11, 2012 12:55:11 AM

They seem to have different color defaults, but in the end, they are very similar in quality. I've seen others claim the opposite as you did. I think the vivid colors versus more subdued coloring is a matter of opinion, but I have noticed that both companies color defaults have changed a bit over the years. Though in reality, the vivid colors has nothing to do with higher IQ, but it is a matter of taste.
April 11, 2012 1:33:30 AM

bystander said:
They seem to have different color defaults, but in the end, they are very similar in quality. I've seen others claim the opposite as you did. I think the vivid colors versus more subdued coloring is a matter of opinion, but I have noticed that both companies color defaults have changed a bit over the years. Though in reality, the vivid colors has nothing to do with higher IQ, but it is a matter of taste.

Color reproduction as well as contrast is included have a huge impact on IQ Radeon has there background in making proper video editing GPUs
April 11, 2012 9:25:17 AM

Regarding framerate in BF3 I have a 2500K and 2 gtx570 in sli, both overclocked, and I play in 3D Vision mode at a low resolution (1280x720) with everything maxed (I play with a 3D vision 720p projector and a big screen, you have to try it, if you didnt yet!). Should be having 60FPS (per eye) all the time but in those big 64 players maps, when I´m outside, the frames drop to 30 / 40 fps. I am starting to believe it is a Game Engine Cap and that even with a new sandybridge-E 3960 overclocked to 5Ghz I would still have this issue.
Do any of you guys plays in 3D Vison and also have this issue? Can it be a game limitation?

Cheers
April 11, 2012 11:06:58 AM

Badelhas said:
Regarding framerate in BF3 I have a 2500K and 2 gtx570 in sli, both overclocked, and I play in 3D Vision mode at a low resolution (1280x720) with everything maxed (I play with a 3D vision 720p projector and a big screen, you have to try it, if you didnt yet!). Should be having 60FPS (per eye) all the time but in those big 64 players maps, when I´m outside, the frames drop to 30 / 40 fps. I am starting to believe it is a Game Engine Cap and that even with a new sandybridge-E 3960 overclocked to 5Ghz I would still have this issue.
Do any of you guys plays in 3D Vison and also have this issue? Can it be a game limitation?

Cheers

It's not CPU limited it's a GPU intensive game and 3D cuts the framerate in half.
April 11, 2012 12:04:18 PM

I'm waiting to try Metro 2033 and A-10C @ 2560x1600 maxed settings. I don't know if its the nVidia drivers or what but I've been seeing weird stuff...tearing and Falcon 4.0 AF, weird texture mishaps in HAWX... for the week that I've had these two 570's. I hope the 7970's don't have these issues.

I want to get the cards installed, have them work flawlessly, have the graphics look flawless, and forget about the hardware and then enjoy whatever game I decide to play at max settings for the next 2 years. ...am I asking too much?
a c 80 Î Nvidia
April 11, 2012 3:05:59 PM

MMO Fan said:
It's not CPU limited it's a GPU intensive game and 3D cuts the framerate in half.


570's in SLI at 720p should still be enough. That's a low resolution.

It may also be that 3D vision also applies more stress on the CPU, since it does have to help render 2 frames every frame.
April 11, 2012 5:04:16 PM

Well, my cards arrived. ...and I can't find the X-Fire cable that came with my motherboard to save me. ...had to order from NewEgg. I guess I'll get to see how one 7970 runs for a day. :( 
a c 80 Î Nvidia
April 11, 2012 5:09:17 PM

Did you look in the box with the 7970? AMD cards often ship with crossfire bridges.
April 11, 2012 7:16:24 PM

bystander said:
Did you look in the box with the 7970? AMD cards often ship with crossfire bridges.


Yeah, the cards only game with the CD and the 4-pin molex to PCI-E 8-pin adapters. One 7970 gets 6 fps less than 2x570's in HAWX. I think I can live with that overnight...67fps is pretty decent enough for one day on maxed out settings. Now to turn it loose with Flight Sim X
April 11, 2012 7:59:30 PM

bystander said:
570's in SLI at 720p should still be enough. That's a low resolution.

It may also be that 3D vision also applies more stress on the CPU, since it does have to help render 2 frames every frame.

Because it has to render 2 frames for every frame it cut the performance in half remember it's the GPU that renders the frames in a properly coded game and BF3 is a properly coded game. The CPU renders things like physics calculations so the more units on the screen at one time the more stress on the CPU especially when those units are not bots but controlled in real time by real people and not a tightly scripted prototypical like in campaign mode.
April 12, 2012 9:17:03 AM

halcyon said:
Na...it's more than that. I've read some other reviews that mention it. It's not that bad and the display is still very nice. Well, on another note looks like I may be in for some fan noise with the 7970's...I guess you can't have everything.


I take it back. I hooked up the display to my Mac Pro. Um...um..."Wow" just doesn't quite cut it. The colors just pop. Not that I need a 3-display setup (2 x 27" Cinema Displays + 1 x 30" U3011) but I'll find some use for it. ...maybe I'll finally get some use out of the HD 5870 I sprung for in this thing.
April 12, 2012 10:50:00 AM

halcyon said:
I take it back. I hooked up the display to my Mac Pro. Um...um..."Wow" just doesn't quite cut it. The colors just pop. Not that I need a 3-display setup (2 x 27" Cinema Displays + 1 x 30" U3011) but I'll find some use for it. ...maybe I'll finally get some use out of the HD 5870 I sprung for in this thing.

LOL if you think a 5870 can cut it driving thre HD+ 2560x1600 monitors. You wasted money just like atypical MacTard how much are you in the RED pun intended for that outdated expenditure LOL Radeon HD 6870
April 19, 2012 2:53:43 AM

MMO Fan said:
LOL if you think a 5870 can cut it driving thre HD+ 2560x1600 monitors. You wasted money just like atypical MacTard how much are you in the RED pun intended for that outdated expenditure LOL Radeon HD 6870

Well, TBH, that old 5870 drives all 3 monitors at full resolution beautifully. ...but 2 x 2560x1440 is enough for my purposes. Think I wasted money on my Mac Pro eh? I don't know, it's a beautiful machine and it performs well. No, I don't game on it (when I first got it I did and the 5870 did just fine). I built another machine for gaming. Sorry.
April 19, 2012 2:58:51 AM

halcyon said:
Well, TBH, that old 5870 drives all 3 monitors at full resolution beautifully. ...but 2 x 2560x1440 is enough for my purposes. Think I wasted money on my Mac Pro eh? I don't know, it's a beautiful machine and it performs well. No, I don't game on it (when I first got it I did and the 5870 did just fine). I built another machine for gaming. Sorry.

Well 5870 is good for but not ideal in 1080P forget about HD+ crossfire 5870s would do alright ho at that rez. I just picked up a 6870 a half hr ago it will do good at 1680x1050 but not great however the price was right @ $135 Oh ya and Radeon does have nicer colors and definition it really does pop on the screen just that much more I agree.
April 19, 2012 3:11:37 AM

MMO Fan said:
Well 5870 is good for but not ideal in 1080P forget about HD+ crossfire 5870s would do alright ho at that rez. I just picked up a 6870 a half hr ago it will do good at 1680x1050 but not great however the price was right @ $135 Oh ya and Radeon does have nicer colors and definition it really does pop on the screen just that much more I agree.

In the Monolith (that's the nickname for me gaming/flight-sim rig) the 2 x 7970s do well in games that can appreciate what they have to offer. Would the 680's have been better? Yeah, prolly, but I would've had to wait and I don't wait we'll. ...besides, the play everything at max settings for now. I'm sure it won't be long before they may not drive some game well at max settings and resolution but I'm casual. ...as long as I can have fun it's good enough. Us "MacTard"-types are easy going.

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April 19, 2012 3:19:50 AM
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halcyon said:
In the Monolith (that's the nickname for me gaming/flight-sim rig) the 2 x 7970s do well in games that can appreciate what they have to offer. Would the 680's have been better? Yeah, prolly, but I would've had to wait and I don't wait we'll. ...besides, the play everything at max settings for now. I'm sure it won't be long before they may not drive some game well at max settings and resolution but I'm casual. ...as long as I can have fun it's good enough. Us "MacTard"-types are easy going.

7970s CF and 5870 across 3x 2560 monitors and you think it plays good somethings not right here LOL !
April 19, 2012 3:27:14 AM

MMO Fan said:
7970s CF and 5870 across 3x 2560 monitors and you think it plays good somethings not right here LOL !

I was just tripping out on Metro 2033's graphics @ 2560x1600 eye-candied. Good times indeed.
April 19, 2012 3:28:53 AM

halcyon said:
I was just tripping out on Metro 2033's graphics @ 2560x1600 eye-candied. Good times indeed.

the problem is that the 5870 would be playing @ 3fps minimum perhaps even less across 3x 2560x1600 monitors in Metro 2033
April 19, 2012 3:44:42 AM

MMO Fan said:
the problem is that the 5870 would be playing @ 3fps minimum perhaps even less across 3x 2560x1600 monitors in Metro 2033

My dell 30" is hooked up to the Mac and the Monolith. On the Mac it's the 3rd monitor...but as I'd mentioned, that's more desktop space than I need. In the Mac the 5870 goes largely unused unless OS X gives it something to do that I don't know about. The CF 7970s in the Monolith seem to do fine but my beloved Flight Sim X doesn't even benefit from multi-GPU setups. ...but HAWX, AvP, FEAR, Crysis, and Metro do.
April 26, 2012 2:11:52 AM

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April 26, 2012 2:28:24 AM

Good to see you got satisfied, and honestly, they arent far from each other, you most likely wouldnt have noticed
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