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June 7, 2012 12:27:18 AM

hey everyone! ive come up with a challenging idea. My friend is building a computer on a 1000 dollar budget, using the new ivy bridge cpu, asus mobo and all that. I want to build something that could compete with his build in benchmarks but im cutting the cost in half. I was hoping to overclock my cpu and any other component possible. I dont need the system to last forever, just to be stable enough. I was also wondering, if you sli two gpu's that are cheaper would it have better results than one expensive card?
I cant make up my mind on any components so i was hoping you could help, below is the full description of what the build should look like.
challenge rules:there are no rules, play dirty if you must.

Approximate Purchase Date:within the next 30 days

Budget Range: $500 max after rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important:games, video editing, benchmark

Parts Not Required: mouse, keyboard, display, hard drive, sound system, case, OS. can also re-use a rosewill 750watt psu if necessary

Preferred Website for Parts: Newegg or anything with better pricing

Country:USA

Parts Preferences: would like to use intel chipset but could go amd if it would result in a better price+overclock:speed ratio

Overclocking: YES!

SLI or Crossfire:if necessary

Monitor Resolution:1920x1080

Additional Comments: although expense may be restricting i might attempt to run water cooling to help with the over clocking. i know this sounds ridiculous especially after researching most low budget builds like this, but i want to experiment with it so i would really appreciate any help

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June 7, 2012 12:33:49 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9BJB

best shot i got. it isnt possible even judging by the fact that the cpu and gpu already hit 600 bucks. thiis will destroy your friends build though :p 
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June 7, 2012 1:24:02 AM

This is assuming you can get to a mircocenter :) 

$60 ($40 after MIR)
CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$40
Phenom II X3 B73 Processor OEM
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
*Roughly equivalent to a pentium G 620, except this is more overclockable (3.6ghz easily) and has the possibility of unlocking the 4th core. You'll likely get better overclocks on 3 cores, however (better for gaming).
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Phen...

$20 ($15 after MIR)
ZALMAN CNPS5X Performa 92mm FSB (Fluid Shield Bearing) Powerful Cooling Performance CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$50
GIGABYTE GA-M68MT-S2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$23
Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$210 ($180 after MIR)
ZOTAC AMP! ZT-50302-10M GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$75
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$16
Samsung 22X DVD±RW Burner
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

$45 ($30 after MIR)
RAIDMAX Typhoon ATX-312WS Black / Silver SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
*you may need to remove the side fan to fit the CPU cooler - the rear fan can be moved so as to fit both fans in the back

$8 shipping on the video card, $4 on the CPU cooler, everything else is free shipping or picked up in store, so after rebates and shipping, the total comes to:

$496

good luck!
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June 7, 2012 1:45:16 AM

You can not get better performance, but it should be easy to get better value.

I5-2500k $169 (microcenter)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

TZ77A LGA 1155 Z77 $89 after rebate-$50 with an I5-2500k microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

XMS 8GB DDR3-1333 $37 after rebate microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 $250 newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD drive $15
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Reuse your power supply and all other parts not listed

Total is $510. This is pretty much a $1000 PC with a bunch of price cuts.
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June 7, 2012 1:49:08 AM

adgjlsfhk said:
You can not get better performance, but it should be easy to get better value.

I5-2500k $169 (microcenter)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

TZ77A LGA 1155 Z77 $89 after rebate-$50 with an I5-2500k microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

XMS 8GB DDR3-1333 $37 after rebate microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 $250 newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD drive $15
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Reuse your power supply and all other parts not listed

Total is $510. This is pretty much a $1000 PC with a bunch of price cuts.


^+1. Somehow in between reading the OP and making my build I forgot he had a case, PSU and HDD. I'd suggest dropping down to 4gb (2x2) and picking up an aftermarket cooler such as the zalman in my build for overclocking.

The 7850 is a monster overclocker, you can reach 45-50% overclocks on the stock cooler
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389...

With the OC, that build might actually out-game your friend's rig, depending on his parts.

P.S. with all the other parts you're re-using, do you have a dvd-rw to re-use? That would keep the price strictly under $500.
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June 7, 2012 3:10:47 AM

wow, thanks, im liking that sandy bridge build, i do have a dvd drive i could reuse so that will cut the cost a bit
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June 8, 2012 1:48:15 AM

It would be a winner, except an I5-2500k can crush an AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition, and a GTX 480 uses more power than a 7850 and does not perform any better. I also forgot that it has absolutely no advantages.
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June 8, 2012 11:25:56 AM

That would make more sense if I had not included an I5-2500k and a 7850 while meeting budget restrictions.

I5-2500k $169 (microcenter)
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0354589

TZ77A LGA 1155 Z77 $89 after rebate-$50 with an I5-2500k microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0387326

XMS 8GB DDR3-1333 $37 after rebate microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0347304

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 $250 newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102986

DVD drive $15
http://www.microcenter.com/single_ [...] id=0382892

Reuse your power supply and all other parts not listed

Total is $510. This is pretty much a $1000 PC with a bunch of price cuts.

Also, last time I checked the 7850 was a better card than the GTX 480.
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June 8, 2012 5:04:22 PM

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2500k needs a lower end card to fit the budget



That's a big exaggeration. It was $10 over budget, which I already brought down withouht changing cards or processor.
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June 8, 2012 5:08:14 PM

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And i was right... the 7850 is a slower card... and actually costs more...

Still a decent card however ;) 


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Overclocking: YES!


When you overclock all cards, the 7850 trounces anything close to it in price with 40-50% typical (and sometimes higher) overclocks.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389...

and the 480 is only cheaper in the initial purchase. It's a power hog, and will cost the average gamer more in the first year than the price difference between it and the 7850, even overclocked.
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June 8, 2012 5:25:17 PM

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So, i was correct, and the 480 holds better value, thankyou very much.

Heat is controllable, and not everyone cares about power consumption.
Nothing better at sub $200


Are you blind? I said 19% oc'd 7850 matched a 580, which destroys a 480.

Once you get to 50% overclock on the 7850, it's not even the same ballpark.
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June 8, 2012 5:27:41 PM

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480 can be overclocked too... Ignorant much?


yup. A 480 at max overclock matches a 580. Whereas that's only a 19% overclock on the 7850.
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June 8, 2012 5:28:51 PM

btw, you started the "cost" discussion. You want to include initial cost, but exclude power cost? That's pretty fallacied logic there.
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June 8, 2012 5:30:04 PM

If power cost doesn't bother you, then neither should the initial $30 more cost of the 7850, especially since it will cost less in the long run.
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June 8, 2012 5:30:45 PM

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MAX... hahahahah

MAX is around 900mhz... leaves 580's standing...


Let's see some benches of your oc'd 480.
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June 8, 2012 5:35:55 PM

...and I shudder to think what the power costs and heat of an overclocked 480 would be.
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June 8, 2012 5:42:56 PM

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857MHz...

Yeah... destroyed at 900mhz.

It is people like you who stop folk from purchasing a decent card.

Have you seen all the issues with the 7850?

RMA galore!


and now you resorted to making *** up in defense of your hardon for the 480.

Your video is utter bullshit. Use a standardized benchmark loop.

Based on it, you're trying to claim that an overclocked 480 posts more than 20 fps better than a stock 580 in single player (50 vs 70), and 10 fps better than a stock 580 in multiplayer (32 vs. 42).

That would be a bald faced lie.

Use a standard benchmark or go home.
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June 8, 2012 5:49:20 PM

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Hahahaha.. the numbers do not lie in those videos..
It is done in multiplayer to show true performance... it is far more demanding than your wimpy single player mode!

Personal attacks.. very good.

Lie's....
LOL ok:

98% positive feedback on newegg with 2% bad...

Not the same for the 7850's.


There weren't any personal attacks in there. I said your video was bullshit because it claims numbers far in excess of what anyone else in the world has been able to do with that card. If you're claiming performance 25% better than a GTX 580 for an oc'd 480, that would be a lie.

So unless you're a leprechaun, your video isn't representative. Use standard benchmark loops

Your claims disagree with every professional reviewer on the planet, as well as the forums on overclock.net.

You've been trying to convince people to buy that power hog of a card that won't be supported for much longer all over these forums.
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June 8, 2012 5:52:42 PM

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Battlefield 3... you make me laugh... it is far faster in single player... i do not want to embarrass you further...


You're just embarrassing yourself. I included both sp and mp numbers there, but i guess you didn't read that far.
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June 8, 2012 5:53:41 PM

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Battlefield 3... you make me laugh... it is far faster in single player... i do not want to embarrass you further...


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you're trying to claim that an overclocked 480 posts more than 20 fps better than a stock 580 in single player (50 vs 70), and 10 fps better than a stock 580 in multiplayer (32 vs. 42)
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June 8, 2012 5:55:34 PM

and seriously, saying that the 480 is $30 cheaper, then saying don't worry that it'll cost you $60-80 more in power over two years is ludicrous.
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June 8, 2012 5:56:46 PM

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No, you are making out that my benchmark is fake... it is the largest map on BF3 in a 64 man server....
How is that not a good test?
Or did your eyes only watch the 1st video....


Because what you're rendering isn't the same thing that is rendered in the standard benchmark loops, which are designed to stress the video as much as possible.

How are you failing to understand that your video isn't the same test?
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June 8, 2012 5:58:58 PM

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Over 2 years... you really that anal?
Seems like you have issues with an Nvidia card outperforing the civic....


I have an issue with your numbers that are magically better for the 480 than everyone else's.
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June 8, 2012 6:00:02 PM

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LMFAO.....
I understand that you do not play BF3.. and will believe the trollop that is at hand in reviews.


Singleplayer represents nothing of what multiplayer is like... it is far more demanding...

2 other guys just like you... they got silenced too ;) 


you continue to ignore that I quoted the multiplayer numbers for the 580/480 too.

don't worry. I'll keep talking.
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June 8, 2012 6:00:59 PM

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Hehe yup.... must be hard swallowing your own load...
Shame aint it when hard proof hit's the fan ;) 


You're claiming that water is dry, when everyone else in the world says it's wet.
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June 8, 2012 6:01:34 PM

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Hehe yup.... must be hard swallowing your own load...
Shame aint it when hard proof hit's the fan ;) 


funny how everyone else's proof is different than yours.
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June 8, 2012 6:03:20 PM

You couldn't win with benchmarks posted from any professional or amateur site, so you posted a video of your own as proof and we're supposed to believe it? don't make me laugh.
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June 8, 2012 6:04:43 PM

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480 @ stock clocks... no surprise....


Now you're saying a stock 480 is better than a stock 580?

How far into the lies will you go?
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June 8, 2012 6:09:07 PM

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What a derp....

You have completely missed the point... you are so wound up into your little AMD 7850, that you think i was talking about a stock clocked 480... WOW


You're not even reading your own writing?

Besides, we already had that discussion.

I already posted benches of the near-max oc'd 480 (857mhz, where 900 is max) barely matching a 5970(580), and I also posted benches of a 19% oc'd 7850 matching a 580, when the 7850 can reach 50% oc's.
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June 8, 2012 6:14:09 PM



1680x1050.....in other words CPU limited. Give me a break.

Oh, here's Tom's official benches, with the 7850 only 1.4 fps behind the 570 at 1920, and 1 fps ahead of the 570 at 2560.

the 570 tops out at 20% overclocks, as does the 480; the oc 7850 eats them for breakfast.
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June 8, 2012 6:16:10 PM

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I do not think you get the point do you...

In 2 games the 7850 wins vs the 580 in that crap thing you linked..

The 480 at 850mhz is faster than a 580... 5970.. seriously.. get your head tested.

900mhz... no chance of a 7850 reaching it at those speeds..
I am delighted that you think 2 synthetic benchies are a great measure of performance.
My video's depict real world gameplay.... end of.


That's a 19% overclocked 7850 matching the 580 in those benches, which I said in that very post.

You seem unable to retain information. Do i need to cover that the 7850 hits 50% overclocks again?
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June 8, 2012 6:19:57 PM

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Yup... the 7850 does not scale like the 400-500 series Nvidia cards with overclocks..

1300+mhz to get where a stock 580 is....

100mhz increase on the 480 to get where the 580 is...

Push 200mhz... beaten the 580


Wow, you really aren't processing the information.

The 19% overclocked 7850 matches a stock 580.

The 22% (857 mhz) 480 matches a stock 580.

The 7850 scales better than the 480.
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June 8, 2012 6:22:14 PM

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Yeah... and that 580 is stock clocked... overclocking that civic is pointless when the 480 can OC too...

Why do you think the numbers in my video's are higher than anticipated?

Time to learn more about GPU overclocking son.


Gee, maybe you should teach the whole world about overclocking, because no one else seems to be able to come up with the numbers you do.

...and that's really the crux of it here. Even if you are being completely honest, your results aren't reproducible, which means your recommendation is invalid anyway.
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June 8, 2012 6:23:59 PM

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Yeah in synthetics.... wow really hard getting through to some people...

Games.... hardly a gain... represented by the videos right here that i posted..

End this now.

The decision is upto the OP.

The 7850 is a decent card, which i pointed out on page 2 if you listened..
The 480 and 7850 will give you great performance.


£210 GTX 480
$260+ for a 7850 that can clock to 1300mhz+


Choice is yours.


...5 of the 7 benches were from games. Jesus, you have selective memory.
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June 8, 2012 6:26:59 PM

480:
better stock performance
lower initial cost

7850:
better overclocked performance (OP said "YES!" to the overclock question)
lower PSU requirement
cheaper in the long run
longer support cycle
produces less heat
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June 8, 2012 6:30:28 PM

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Yeah and only 2 it won in... 1 synthetic.


End the argument....


that's 3/7. pretty damn close to a tie. once again, that's a 19% oc'd 7850 vs a 580.

ntm 3 of it's losses were really close, while 2 of it's wins were by a large margin.
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June 8, 2012 6:38:01 PM

I apologize for bringing up lying. The point I was trying to make was that no one is posting numbers with a 480 like you are, so that leaves two options.

1. there is something wrong with your test.
2. You have the best single 480 that has ever been made.

Either way, it invalidates recommending the 480 over the 7850.
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June 8, 2012 6:47:46 PM

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Apology accepted!


I run legit benchies.

It is good to do a looped test, but even in single player on BF3... cards will show higher numbers, but also that is not exactly an exact measure either, there is no demo loop for benching on BF3.

I showed multiplayer, as it is BF3 at it's most demanding level.

What you see from me is 100% legit.


While I'm done arguing that, if you want to make comparisons, anything besides the same loop or as close as you can reasonably get is always going to be open to attack.

In the bench I posted from tbreak, they specified the loop they used. FRAPS 1m 30s of Op. Swordbreaker when firefight with 2nd RPG begins and insurgents come into backyard.

In situations where official bench loops haven't been released, using scripted scenes is always the best way to make direct comparisons between cards.
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June 8, 2012 9:08:13 PM

Those are great numbers, but it still remains that no one else seems to be able to produce numbers like you with 480 overclocking. So outside of test issues, which there is still room for variation on, the only reasonable conclusions are that you either got very lucky with your 480, or you're the best overclocker in the world.

Either way, grats on that! However, I still can't back your recommendation since your results don't seem in line with what everyone else can do with a 480, which likely includes the OP.
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June 8, 2012 9:30:27 PM

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Overclocking a 480 is not easy... but the results are phenominal once you get the hang of the card.
This is at 900mhz.
I can go higher than this, but i would need to stay below 65c in order to attain full stability.

It is not easy overclocking the 7850 either... and the gains speak for themselves.


Sure, high overclocks take some work, but by forum reports, the high overclock results are more commonly reproduced on the 7850. Performance reports for the overclocking each card also tend to favor the 7850. Every othe aspect of the cards, except for initial cards favors the 7850.

There is something to be said for the mature drivers that the 480 has, they increased performance and reduced it's heat from monstrous to simply high. That's a double edged sword as well, however, because the performance of the 7850 is likely to increase as it's drivers ripen.
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June 8, 2012 9:31:40 PM

*except forinitial cost.
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June 9, 2012 12:42:16 AM

Can you stop arguing about this? I read this last 8 hours ago, and you have already added a full page. If you need to keep this debate going, do it by private message so no one else has to read it.
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June 9, 2012 1:12:03 AM

yep i agree
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