Will the GTX 680 be able to run all RTS games over next 4 years?

I am currently planning on buying a GeForce GTX 680 to mainly to play 3D Real Time Strategy games such as Shogun 2 plus its Expansions and other games like Wargame European Escalation. I want to be able to play these games at their Default resolutions on Dx 11 Ultra high graphics settings without any lag, I think I can do this but I am more worried about future 3D RTS game releases that will come out in 3 to 4 years time. This is because I will want to play them at the same high Graphical quality levels that I would have played on Shogun 2 for example and I want to know if this will be possible or if I would need a GPU upgrade or something similar to this in the near future to enable me to do this.

I hope this question makes enough sense and is possible to answer.

Being able to do this is very IMPORTANT to me since I will be spending my 18th birthday money on this and really want a GPU that will last along time!

Thank You in Advanced for helping me solve this Question I have been searching for the answer to this for many weeks.
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  1. Yes that is most likely! It will be a lower mid range card by then! If you really want to stay on top of high end gaming then upgrade every other generation is a must!
  2. Well the answers will be purely speculation first of all

    I personally don't think you will be able to play at MAXIMUM settings with 3d vision for the next 4 years. You could play maybe medium and high

    I also think games like Starcraft 2 uses more cpu
  3. rolli59 said:
    Yes that is most likely! It will be a lower mid range card by then! If you really want to stay on top of high end gaming then upgrade every other generation is a must!


    Thanks for such a speedy reply
    May be a stupid question but how long is each generation? and secondly how much would it cost to do this roughly?
  4. psikaikai said:
    Well the answers will be purely speculation first of all

    I personally don't think you will be able to play at MAXIMUM settings with 3d vision for the next 4 years. You could play maybe medium and high

    I also think games like Starcraft 2 uses more cpu


    Sorry must have worded my question wrong am kinda new to Computer gaming but by 3D RTS I meant that I want to play games where you can be right down next to the units as opposed to looking at a bird eye view of the battle field.
  5. Masterphenix said:
    Sorry must have worded my question wrong am kinda new to Computer gaming but by 3D RTS I meant that I want to play games where you can be right down next to the units as opposed to looking at a bird eye view of the battle field.

    Oh I see then you should be fine for about 3 maybe 4 years because RTS aren't as graphic intensive as FPS so you should be fine
  6. Masterphenix said:
    Thanks for such a speedy reply
    May be a stupid question but how long is each generation? and secondly how much would it cost to do this roughly?

    There is a generation change approximately every year! High end cards that cost $500+ can be sold used for a good chunk of the purchase price in a years time. I usually upgrade every 2 years and never spend more than $200 on a card which I can then sell when upgrading on ebay for $50-100. Upper midrange cards like HD6870 or GTX560 still handle everything well on single monitor gaming up to 1080P.
  7. The nice thing about RTS games is that they don't tend to advance graphically as rapidly as other games. This prevents them from alienating their customers with weaker or older hardware. This will definitely work to your advantage.
  8. rolli59 said:
    There is a generation change approximately every year! High end cards that cost $500+ can be sold used for a good chunk of the purchase price in a years time. I usually upgrade every 2 years and never spend more than $200 on a card which I can then sell when upgrading on ebay for $50-100. Upper midrange cards like HD6870 or GTX560 still handle everything well on single monitor gaming up to 1080P.


    Not sure if this will help but I am trying to build a Custom Gaming Rig, am not asking for help should be ok with it but I will probally get this CPU and this GPU:

    CPU - intel i5 2500k

    GPU - Geforce GTX 680

    RAM - 8GB


    I am not planning on overclocking atm because I am very new to it lol infact only knew existed 2 weeks ago.

    With these should it last if purerly for RTS games
  9. If you want to be uber future-proof, I'd grab a 2600K since it can handle more threads. The RTS genre tends to be more of a CPU hog than other types due to AI calculations and stuff. These tasks tend to parallelize very well so it can take advantage of the extra threads.
  10. Masterphenix said:
    Not sure if this will help but I am trying to build a Custom Gaming Rig, am not asking for help should be ok with it but I will probally get this CPU and this GPU:

    CPU - intel i5 2500k

    GPU - Geforce GTX 680

    RAM - 8GB


    I am not planning on overclocking atm because I am very new to it lol infact only knew existed 2 weeks ago.

    With these should it last if purerly for RTS games

    Get i5 3570k Ivy bridge when it comes out on April 29th, it will be priced almost the same as i5 2500k and runs a little cooler and faster
  11. aicom said:
    If you want to be uber future-proof, I'd grab a 2600K since it can handle more threads. The RTS genre tends to be more of a CPU hog than other types due to AI calculations and stuff. These tasks tend to parallelize very well so it can take advantage of the extra threads.


    sorry as said before new to this but by 2600k do you mean the intel i7 2600k?
  12. Masterphenix said:
    sorry as said before new to this but by 2600k do you mean the intel i7 2600k?

    Yeah you could do that but get the Ivy Bridge version of i7 2600k
    Look up hyperthreading on google
    It will make the game slightly better but cost $100 more
  13. Masterphenix said:
    sorry as said before new to this but by 2600k do you mean the intel i7 2600k?


    Yes, but Psikaikai is right. Wait for Ivy Bridge to pick up a new CPU. Grab either the 3570K (replacement for 2500K) or the 3770K (replacement for 2600K).

    EDIT: 3570K and 2500K are i5 CPUs. 3770K and 2600K are i7 CPUs.
  14. Masterphenix said:
    Not sure if this will help but I am trying to build a Custom Gaming Rig, am not asking for help should be ok with it but I will probally get this CPU and this GPU:

    CPU - intel i5 2500k

    GPU - Geforce GTX 680

    RAM - 8GB


    I am not planning on overclocking atm because I am very new to it lol infact only knew existed 2 weeks ago.

    With these should it last if purerly for RTS games

    Looks good and with the new Ivy bridge coming out even better. Just make sure you leave enough in your budget for a SSD to run your OS of!
  15. rolli59 said:
    Looks good and with the new Ivy bridge coming out even better. Just make sure you leave enough in your budget for a SSD to run your OS of!


    might edit my Rig build to this based on new information i have learned:

    CPU - i7 3770K

    GPU - GTX 680

    RAM - 8GB

    think SSD is Solid State Drive but unsure of what does
  16. Masterphenix said:
    might edit my Rig build to this based on new information i have learned:

    CPU - i7 3770K

    GPU - GTX 680

    RAM - 8GB

    and what is SSD?

    Solid State Drive! 120-128GB for OS and favorite programs using a regular HDD for storage. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600038484&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20
  17. rolli59 said:
    Solid State Drive! 120-128GB for OS and favorite programs using a regular HDD for storage. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100008120%20600038484&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20


    is this the one:
    Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe MKNSSDCL120GB-DX 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

    If is what exactly does it do on my Gaming Rig and also is it for a Desktop?
  18. Make sure that you buy a SLI capable MoBo and you can add a 2nd 680 18-24 months from now which should be able to keep you going that long......

    As for Ivy Bridge, ..... yawn......much a do about nothing as far as gaming is concerned.

    And yes, a Tier 3 SSD off this list will serve you well.

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-review-benchmark,3139-6.html

    It will reduce you windows boot time from about 21.2 seconds on the fastest 7200 rpm hard drives to 15.6 seconds with the fastest SSDs. Expect similar improvements when loading huge amounts of files in **some** games.... many games are constrained as much by req'd server d/l's which render load times irrelevant.
  19. This one is better being SATA III http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236
    It will speed up your load times, basically works as an hard drive. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-upgrade-hdd-performance,3023.html
  20. rolli59 said:
    This one is better being SATA III http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226236
    It will speed up your load times, basically works as an hard drive. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-upgrade-hdd-performance,3023.html


    think understand some of what read so if right by using a:
    Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Along with

    CPU - i7 3770K

    GPU - GTX 680

    RAM - 8GB

    I will be able to play most RTS that come out over next 3 to 4 years at a Dx 11 graphical quality of Ultra or High
    is this more or less right?
  21. Masterphenix said:
    think understand some of what read so if right by using a:
    Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Along with

    CPU - i7 3770K

    GPU - GTX 680

    RAM - 8GB

    I will be able to play most RTS that come out over next 3 to 4 years at a Dx 11 graphical quality of Ultra or High
    is this more or less right?

    Well the SSD isn't vital to your computer but if you are a speed freak with bootup times, game loading times, and shutdown speed you might want it.
    Its abut a 40-60% speed increase in those listed above
  22. psikaikai said:
    Well the SSD isn't vital to your computer but if you are a speed freak with bootup times, game loading times, and shutdown speed you might want it.
    Its abut a 40-60% speed increase in those listed above


    hmm so it is not actually needed unless I am in a hurry to start playing my games is that right?
  23. Masterphenix said:
    hmm so it is not actually needed unless I am in a hurry to start playing my games is that right?

    Pretty much, about 30 seconds faster (average for me)
  24. psikaikai said:
    Pretty much, about 30 seconds faster (average for me)


    Ok thanks probably won't bother getting a SSD then since I am on a over all budget of around £1000 maybe £1100 if really had no other choice, don't wana go much higher since parents said wanted to chip in and help pay for some of my RIG and I don't wanna take advantage of their good will Lol.

    Thank you everybody for your help I will probably be on Tomorrow once I have gone over new Specs for my Possible Gaming Rig

    Is really late where I am atm it is almost 1am
  25. forever(so long as the rest of your computer survives, and gtx680 does not die on it's own or commit suicide :o ) remember, the gtx680 is a 500 dollar card!
  26. If you play games at 1920x1080p and you absolutely want to play at Max Ultra settings in 4 years, well you might have trouble in some games. The higher your resolution, the more demanding for your video card. You might be able to play most (if not all) games at High settings if you lower your resolution to 1680x1050 though. I play my games with that resolution on my 22" monitor, and it's great. The difference isn't that obvious to my eye, but it does let my card better handle higher graphics (I have a 4+ years old ATI HD 4870 which cost me close to 350$ back then I think, and I can still handle recent games with good graphics. A 1920x1080p resolution wouldn't let me do that).

    By 2016 (4 years from now), I think directX 12 will have been released too, so obviously you won't be able to enable all the dx12 features of the games that come out with dx12, because there are no dx12 cards out.

    EDIT: In a year (or more), when the price of the 680 will be lower, you can buy a second one to crossfire too (at the risk of noticing micro-stuttering), then you won't have a problem with Ultra settings at high res.
  27. rolli59 said:
    There is a generation change approximately every year! High end cards that cost $500+ can be sold used for a good chunk of the purchase price in a years time. I usually upgrade every 2 years and never spend more than $200 on a card which I can then sell when upgrading on ebay for $50-100. Upper midrange cards like HD6870 or GTX560 still handle everything well on single monitor gaming up to 1080P.


    You said "GTX 560 still handle everything well on single monitor gaming up to 1080P" so does that mean don't need to buy a GTX 680 to play very graphical intense RTS games such as Total War Shogun 2 and wargame european escalation that (I think require fairly decent Graphics cards) are already out or RTS games of a similar nature that will be coming out over the next 3 to 4 years?

    Secondly you said "single monitor gaming up to 1080p" so are you saying that the type of monitor used will affect graphics and performance. I thought it just made the images look sharper.

    I am also having problems finding a decent Monitor I heard about thinks called Response times which are measured I think in (ms). Think they said 2ms very good and above 6ms bad for fast paced gaming is this true?

    I am thinking of getting a 22inch monitor (my RIG will be used only for RTS games not games like Star Craft 2 or War Hammer games I don't like them at all no offense to people who do), that is all I currently have as specifications for a gaming monitor that I have as I know little atm about them.

    Thanks You to everybody who has or will be helping me to solve my RIG specs and monitor dilemmas!
  28. Hello, I'm afraid that in four years time your system will be completely outdated, and I explain why:

    Next generation consoles will be out in 1 or 2 years. The jump in quality will be important just a little time after the next generation release.

    If you look back at what happened in this and last generation consoles you will have a wide perspective: a one or two years old computer when the "new generation" (at that time) was released, such as a geforce 6800 ultra/Radeon X850 released in 2004 with an atlhon 64 4000, was completely outdated for Xbox 360 or PS3 games. Even before, a 1998-99 computer couldn't play any ps2 era game properly.

    People who say that his/her 3 or 4 years old GPU can play any current game are rigth, but this happens because this generation consoles are lasting too long.

    In my opinion, at this time, it's a waste of money buying a 400 dollars or euros GPU, because you can play PS3 XBOX 360 maxed out with a 150-200 dollars/euros, I mean a HD 6870/GTX 560Ti level of performance. But of course it's my opinion :)

    Good luck!!
  29. VGAmike said:
    Hello, I'm afraid that in four years time your system will be completely outdated, and I explain why:

    Next generation consoles will be out in 1 or 2 years. The jump in quality will be important just a little time after the next generation release.

    If you look back at what happened in this and last generation consoles you will have a wide perspective: a one or two years old computer when the "new generation" (at that time) was released, such as a geforce 6800 ultra/Radeon X850 released in 2004 with an atlhon 64 4000, was completely outdated for Xbox 360 or PS3 games. Even before, a 1998-99 computer couldn't play any ps2 era game properly.

    People who say that his/her 3 or 4 years old GPU can play any current game are rigth, but this happens because this generation consoles are lasting too long.

    In my opinion, at this time, it's a waste of money buying a 400 dollars or euros GPU, because you can play PS3 XBOX 360 maxed out with a 150-200 dollars/euros, I mean a HD 6870/GTX 560Ti level of performance. But of course it's my opinion :)

    Good luck!!


    Thanks for replying

    So are you basically saying not to bother getting gaming RIG? or at least not one with a GTX 680 and instead getting something like a GTX 560ti?

    If so would this enable me to play Shogun 2 and other games in this genre like wargame european escalation at Ultra graphics with no lag?

    Thanks again for replying
  30. Masterphenix said:
    Thanks for replying

    So are you basically saying not to bother getting gaming RIG? or at least not one with a GTX 680 and instead getting something like a GTX 560ti?

    If so would this enable me to play Shogun 2 and other games in this genre like wargame european escalation at Ultra graphics with no lag?

    Thanks again for replying

    This is what I'm saying. Of course, the faster the better. If you have the money, you can buy whatever you want. Look at this link:

    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/20.html

    But of course, when people say "maxed out" it might be 8x AA and 2560x1600 or not. And when you ask "no lag" it will depend what you consider "lag"
  31. VGAmike said:
    Hello, I'm afraid that in four years time your system will be completely outdated, and I explain why:

    Next generation consoles will be out in 1 or 2 years. The jump in quality will be important just a little time after the next generation release.



    I don't think his system will be outdated, because when the consoles come out they won't have top-of-the-line components. The Xbox 720 is said to have an ATI HD 6000 series video card (there's even an article about this on Tom's Hardware), which is nowhere as good as a GTX 680. The PS4 might have a bit better video card, but not that good, because they don't want to have to sell their console for 800$ when it comes out, otherwise only the real fans or the rich will buy it.
  32. That's a good question!

    I was wondering if my 7970 will be enough for 2 years at least, but I doubt it will...
    I am pretty sure if you wait and get Classified version of 2x680GTX 4Gb from EVGA, that will last you a bit longer than reference 680GTX 2Gb.

    I am waiting for 685GTX (if it ever be released) and then I can sell my 7970:)

    And for CPUs, I would suggest i7-3930K. It will last longer even than first models of Ivy Bridge. Since it has 6 cores and GREAT overclocking capabilities - it should be pretty good for the next 4 years for sure.
  33. VGAmike said:

    In my opinion, at this time, it's a waste of money buying a 400 dollars or euros GPU, because you can play PS3 XBOX 360 maxed out with a 150-200 dollars/euros, I mean a HD 6870/GTX 560Ti level of performance. But of course it's my opinion :)


    Besides, a 8800 GTS from Nvidia is better than the Xbox 360's video card, and the 560 ti is better than two 8800 GTS in SLI.
  34. Anonymous said:
    I was wondering if my 7970 will be enough for 2 years at least, but I doubt it will...


    You must realllllyyy be nitpicky if you doubt your 7970 will last 2 years. :D
  35. Johnny828 said:
    I don't think his system will be outdated, because when the consoles come out they won't have top-of-the-line components. The Xbox 720 is said to have an ATI HD 6000 series video card (there's even an article about this on Tom's Hardware), which is nowhere as good as a GTX 680. The PS4 might have a bit better video card, but not that good, because they don't want to have to sell their console for 800$ when it comes out, otherwise only the real fans or the rich will buy it.


    Hmm interesting I not sure if what you say is true not had the chance to check but I might swap
    GTX 680 for a GTX 560 TI since it gets around around 62fps on 1280x 1024 Res recommended Res on back of shogun 2 box with Dx 11 Ultra settings. I am not sure if can do the same for wargame european escalation on Ultra graphics (I think is Dx 11 compatible) and since only playing RTS games on my future RIG think it should be more than enough, only decided on GTX 680 because heard was best and thought would need it for RTS games but now learned that CPU power is more important than GPU power in RTS games!
  36. Anonymous said:
    That's a good question!

    I was wondering if my 7970 will be enough for 2 years at least, but I doubt it will...
    I am pretty sure if you wait and get Classified version of 2x680GTX 4Gb from EVGA, that will last you a bit longer than reference 680GTX 2Gb.

    I am waiting for 685GTX (if it ever be released) and then I can sell my 7970:)

    And for CPUs, I would suggest i7-3930K. It will last longer even than first models of Ivy Bridge. Since it has 6 cores and GREAT overclocking capabilities - it should be pretty good for the next 4 years for sure.


    Thanks for new information I will take it into consideration
  37. Johnny828 said:
    Besides, a 8800 GTS from Nvidia is better than the Xbox 360's video card, and the 560 ti is better than two 8800 GTS in SLI.


    If I were to get two GTX 560 Ti and use in SLI would it increase graphics quality? or performance?
  38. Masterphenix said:
    Hmm interesting I not sure if what you say is true not had the chance to check but I might swap
    GTX 680 for a GTX 560 TI since it gets around around 62fps on 1280x 1024 Res recommended Res on back of shogun 2 box with Dx 11 Ultra settings. I am not sure if can do the same for wargame european escalation on Ultra graphics (I think is Dx 11 compatible) and since only playing RTS games on my future RIG think it should be more than enough, only decided on GTX 680 because heard was best and thought would need it for RTS games but now learned that CPU power is more important than GPU power in RTS games!


    Yeah CPU power is important in RTS games, but that's not to say GPUs aren't either. You might not last 4 years with the 560 ti if you want ultra settings in your games.
  39. Masterphenix said:
    If I were to get two GTX 560 Ti and use in SLI would it increase graphics quality? or performance?


    Yes you would last 4 years at least. Some people complain about seeing micro-stuttering when using SLI, but I guess it's minor and not everyone. You could get your second 560 ti in a year when prices are lower and you'd end up saving money compared to buying a new single card.
  40. Johnny828 said:
    You must realllllyyy be nitpicky if you doubt your 7970 will last 2 years. :D

    Guilty as charged. I am! :D
  41. Johnny828 said:
    Yes you would last 4 years at least. Some people complain about seeing micro-stuttering when using SLI, but I guess it's minor and not everyone. You could get your second 560 ti in a year when prices are lower and you'd end up saving money compared to buying a new single card.


    Just checked a website and had a GPU called GeForce GTX 550 Ti and was released after 560Ti well thats what is says anyway so the question is would having one GeForce GTX 550 Ti be better than having one GeForce GTX 550 Ti?
  42. Masterphenix said:
    ...having one GeForce GTX 550 Ti be better than having one GeForce GTX 550 Ti?

    You mean having one 550 Ti is better than having one 560 Ti? Not at all. 560 Ti is about twice faster than 550 Ti. AMD and Nvidia usually release video cards from top to bottom - strong ones first, followed by weaker ones later.

    This list is not perfect, but pretty close to reality:

    http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
  43. Johnny828 said:
    I don't think his system will be outdated, because when the consoles come out they won't have top-of-the-line components. The Xbox 720 is said to have an ATI HD 6000 series video card (there's even an article about this on Tom's Hardware), which is nowhere as good as a GTX 680. The PS4 might have a bit better video card, but not that good, because they don't want to have to sell their console for 800$ when it comes out, otherwise only the real fans or the rich will buy it.

    Nobody knows, just guessing. About next generation hardware, that information is outdated. Here is the new information:

    http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/

    2 radeon 7000 and 6 cores. I'm pretty sure it will change again next year.

    The point is, that you are going to spend a huge amount of money in a gtx 680 to play exactly the same games you can pay with a card that cost half or even less the money (HD 7850 for example). The game experience is going to be more or less the same. When new consoles are released, both the 7850 and gtx680 are going to be outdated anyway.
  44. Masterphenix said:
    Just checked a website and had a GPU called GeForce GTX 550 Ti and was released after 560Ti well thats what is says anyway so the question is would having one GeForce GTX 550 Ti be better than having one GeForce GTX 550 Ti?


    Sometimes cards with less performance can be released after stronger ones. Release dates don't necessarily indicate performance. The 560 ti is better than the 550 ti, at least twice as good:

    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/541?vs=547
  45. ** I meant "almost twice as good" in the above post.
  46. VGAmike said:
    Nobody knows, just guessing. About next generation hardware, that information is outdated. Here is the new information:

    http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/

    2 radeon 7000 and 6 cores. I'm pretty sure it will change again next year.

    The point is, that you are going to spend a huge amount of money in a gtx 680 to play exactly the same games you can pay with a card that cost half or even less the money (HD 7850 for example). The game experience is going to be more or less the same. When new consoles are released, both the 7850 and gtx680 are going to be outdated anyway.


    Thank you I think I understand so I gonna scrap the GTX 680 idea and go get either a HD 6870 or a GTX 560 Ti only thing cannot understand is GTX 560 TI is more expensive but has less FPS than the cheaper HD 6870 so which one will give me ULTRA dx 11 graphics at 1280x1024 RES without any Lag so basically games run super smooth with no delays ect so is not like playing a speedy version of Tetris Lol!
  47. VGAmike said:
    Nobody knows, just guessing. About next generation hardware, that information is outdated. Here is the new information:

    http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/

    2 radeon 7000 and 6 cores. I'm pretty sure it will change again next year.

    The point is, that you are going to spend a huge amount of money in a gtx 680 to play exactly the same games you can pay with a card that cost half or even less the money (HD 7850 for example). The game experience is going to be more or less the same. When new consoles are released, both the 7850 and gtx680 are going to be outdated anyway.


    Oh nice, thanks for the new info. However, these won't be high end 7000 cards, otherwise they'll have to sell the console for more $ than enough people can afford for Microsoft to make good profits.

    To say that the 680 will be outdated when the XboX 720 is released (which is a bit less than 2 years if the Christmas 2013 date is right) is a bit far stretched imho, even the 7850. The 680 will still play games at ultra settings if you don't have crazy resolution, and the 7850 at high settings.

    Sure you can get a 7850 instead of a 680 right now because the 7850 already maxes out games, but it won't last as long as a 680. If you check the gaming benchmarks here, the 680 is about twice as good as the 7850:

    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=555
  48. My GTX 465 is now two generations old and it can play any game on the market still. I dont plan to upgrade until there is a game my card struggles to play on high (whatever setting they call right below the highest).
  49. VGAmike said:
    When new consoles are released, both the 7850 and gtx680 are going to be outdated anyway.

    How come 680GTX will be outdated?

    Upcoming in 2013 XBOX 720 and mostly likely PS4 GPUs will be equivalent to a single 7000/600 series VGA, which is not a fire:)
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