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June 9, 2012 3:14:51 PM

So after a long run on laptops I'm finally looking to a desktop and figure I should do it right, build it myself and learn something.
I would like to build a Mid/High range desktop with an idea of my upgrade path. I am in the process of reading a lot of the guides on the TH forums to learn about overclocking, parts and assembling etc so at the moment my knowledge is quite limited. This is the details so far I would appreciate any input and the pros/cons of the more subjective areas.
There are questions riddled throughout the post which I will tag as complete when people have helped me/I’ve researched enough into it to make a decision. Thanks in advanced.


Approximate Purchase Date: - ASAP/23 June 2012
Budget Range: - $1800 AUD
System Usage from Most to Least Important:
- Gaming (but with a somewhat future-proof design)
- University work (mainly just word processing etc)
- General Multitasking
Parts Not Required:
- Mouse/Keyboard Just bought a Logitech G400 and a steel series shift keyboard
- I don’t need speakers or soundcard as I will be using headphones.
- OS
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Anything East coast Australian if possible, prices currently taken from MSY
Country: - Australia (Sydney)
Overclocking: - Yes/in the future
SLI or Crossfire: - No/As an upgrade path
Monitor Resolution:- 1920x1080
Additional Comments:
- First build, any general information will be helpful
- Looking for 4-5 year build longevity, with upgrades as needed, and an idea at where bottlenecks will occurs with each upgrade etc
- looking to OC for the CPU, graphics card and ram, but I’m worried about the combined heat production especially from the ivy bridge cpu and graphics card Are there any negatives if I overclocking at a later date? Is there a need to OC the ram?
- plan to add 1/2 more SATA HDDS as needed

What I've looked at: (please help with brands)
CPU: Intel Core i5 processor i5-3570K LGA1155 [BX80637I53570K] - $241 MSY

Memory: $58 2x4GB is 1600 fine? should i go higher?
What are the difference between the two listings for 1600 8g kits from MSY bottom left first page
8G Kit 1600 Patriot Gamer2(AM3) / AMD-E / Kingston HyperX 45 / 49 / 59
8G Kit 1600 G.Skill Ares / Patriot Gamer2 / Ripjaws-X / AMD-Performance/ G.Skill Sniper 61 /49★/56 /58/61

HDD: Total: $330
SSD Sandisk G25 Extreme 120G $129 MSY
SATA: 2TB WD Caviar Black $199 MSY OR 3TB Seagate Barracuda $205

GFX: $525
2G GTX 670 Inno3D / Gigabyte / Asus 479 / 515 / 525

Display:
24” 2ms Asus VS248H ($174 after $20 Cashback) 194 OR 24” 2ms Asus VS248H 195 (speakers, worse contrast)

DVD Burner: Asus 23

So my understanding of the following is somewhat limited. I’m reading up on them as I can but at the moment here is my current thinking:

Motherboard: NO IDEA? Help?
Asus
P8Z77-M-Pro 135 M stands for Micro
P8Z77-V-LK 169
P8Z77-V 198 – 150mb
P8Z77-V-Pro 229 150mb
SABERTOOTH-Z77 260
P8Z77-V-DELUXE 309
Gigabyte
GA-Z77-D3H LGA1155 $148
GA-Z77X-D3H LGA1155 $170
Z77X-UD3H – $185 150mb
G1.Sniper 3 $199 – 300mb dual channel
Z77X-UD5H - $277 300mb dual channel

Network cards/USB: ~?
Linksys AE2500 / Netgear WNDA3100 / Netgear WNDA4100 45 / 48 / 59
PCI TP-Link WN851ND /TP-Link WN951N 25 / 31
PCI D-link DWA-547 /D-link DWA-556 // Asus PCE-N15 51 / 79 /// 39
PCI-E TP-Link WN881ND / WDN3200 /WDN4800 23 / 39 / 55

Power Supply: ~$250 US prices listed?
Corsair TX750 / TX850 141 / 165 – Website: 120/140
Corsair HX750 187 – Website: 170
Corsair AX750 /AX850 – Website: 200/230


Case:
What case will I need to cope with the heat production of overclocking? How much extra room if I decide to run duel graphics cards later?
I have a ~80cm high space under my desk in which to fit the case so

Fans/cooling:



Thanks heaps
June 9, 2012 3:47:07 PM

Starting at the bottom and working up the case should be a mid-tower or full tower with at least three fans and places to mount two or three more if needed.
The power supply can be either a 750w or 850w depending on if your going to add a second video card , if your going with one GTX 670 then you can get a 650w psu.
Network cards and usb come on the motherboard and there is no need to purchase a seperate addon card.
Motherboard , the Asus P8Z77-V would be a good choice and if you wanted to go with a higher model then the P8Z77-LK would be a good choice also.
The DVD , Monitor and HDD are all set with what you have chosen as is the cpu.
The ram can be G-Skill or Kingston and you want dual channel ram to go with the Ivy Bridge cpu.
The video card is a choice between Asus and Gigabyte , either one is good.
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June 10, 2012 3:01:55 AM

Thanks inzone for the help. So far:

CPU: Intel Core i5 processor i5-3570K LGA1155 [BX80637I53570K] - $241 MSY
Memory: $60 2x4GB
What are the difference between the two listings for 1600 8g kits from MSY bottom left first page
8G Kit 1600 G.Skill Ares / Ripjaws-X / G.Skill Sniper 61 /56 /61

HDD: Total: $330
SSD Sandisk G25 Extreme 120G $129 MSY
SATA: 2TB WD Caviar Black $199 MSY OR 3TB Seagate Barracuda $205
GFX: $525 2G GTX 670 Asus 525
Display: 24” 2ms Asus VS248H ($174 after $20 Cashback) 194
DVD Burner: Asus 23

So my understanding of the following is somewhat limited. I’m reading up on them as I can but at the moment here is my current thinking:

Motherboard: ASUS/GIGABYTE/ASROCK?
Asus
P8Z77-V-LK 169
P8Z77-V 198 – 150mb
P8Z77-V-Pro 229 150mb
SABERTOOTH-Z77 260
P8Z77-V-DELUXE 309
Gigabyte
GA-Z77X-D3H LGA1155 $170
Z77X-UD3H – $185 150mb
G1.Sniper 3 $199 – 300mb dual channel
Z77X-UD5H - $277 300mb dual channel

Power Supply: $245+12 postage
Corsair AX850 – $257

Case + cooling: What full size case?


Questions:
1. 2TB WD black vs 3TB Barracuda - Speed and reliability (I have heard since both are 6.0gb/s the 3TB will read faster due to having to move over less physical distance, a 1tb read distance is 1/3 instead of 1/2 the total distance)
2. MOBO
3. CASE + Cooling fans
4. PSU solved by inzone
5. GFX solved by inzone
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June 10, 2012 5:02:42 AM

For the HDD question , since you are getting the Sandisk SSD you really don't have to worry about the speed of the secondary HDD since it will just be used for storage and when in operation the cpu is requesting data from the HDD and is being held in the ram so there is not much delay to worry about. If you did not get a SSD then you could be concerned about the speed of the regular HDD's.
The motherboard , I would go with Asus and of course the higher the price the better the board but you really don't need a 309AUD motherboard and while the Sabertooth is a very nice board and you can certianly get it if you want to the P8Z77-Pro and P8Z77-V are going to be what you should get if your budget is getting tight. But like I said if the cost is not an object to you then the Sabertooth or V-Deluxe would be very nice boards to get.
I have had both board brands and would go with Asus over Gigabyte even though I currently have a Gigabyte right now , my next board will either be an Asus or MSI.
The case is in my opinion more of a personal choice as you have to look at it all the time and as long as it has good air flow and space for all you parts then you can pretty much choose whatever you want according to your budget. I have the Cooler Master Haf-X which I have modified to my own personal taste and that's another thing you can do if your handy and inventive you can easily modify the case. So if your wanting a full size case then the Haf-X is a good one and it has a lot of options for fan placement. It comes with 230mm front fan , a 200mm side panel fan , a 200mm top mounted fan , with a spot for another of the same size, and a rear mounted 140mm fan. There is also a video card shroud with a place for a 120mm fan to blow directly at the ends of the video cards and a side bracket for a 80mm fan to also blow onto the video cards. The case is huge and I really like it for the space it has to work inside.
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June 10, 2012 5:45:27 AM

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $159.00
CoolerMaster HAF XM Case

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $139.00
Silverstone Strider Plus 750W ST75F-P 80 PLUS Silver 100% modular

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $155.00
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $245.00
Intel Core i5 3570K

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $39.00
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $65.00
G.Skill Ares F3-1600C9D-8GAO 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $22.00
LG GH24NS90 24x SATA DVD-RW Drive OEM

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $125.00
Seagate Barracuda 2TB ST2000DM001

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $129.00
SanDisk Extreme Solid State Drive 120GB

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $479.00
EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB

Total: $1,557.00


http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $99.00
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit with SP1 OEM

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $149.00
Samsung S23B300H 23in Widescreen LED Monitor
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June 10, 2012 10:20:45 AM

MSY is great for prices in the AU. However their range is much more limited than websites like PCCaseGear. You can put together a decent enough build with parts from MSY no problem. An MSY build below:

CPU - Great choice:
Intel Core i5 3570K - $241

CPU Cooler - For Overclocking your CPU, particularly with IB processor temps spiking up quickly as you work up the frequency beyond 4.0GHz, an aftermarket CPU cooler is a great investment to help keep temps under control
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO - $39

Case - Lots of good choices from MSY these days... I love the Fractal Arc Mid
CoolerMaster Storm Enforcer $95
Fractal ARC Mid - $119
Corsair Carbide 400R - $117

Mobo - Depends on what features your looking for. This one is a great all round gaming board. Certainly encourage you to jump on their website and check that feature list to make sure it's got everything your looking for.
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard - $154

GPU - Don't have to look very far for praise of this GPU. More or less max out every game on ultra uber details at 1080p with 60+fps
Gigabyte GTX 670 2GB - $515

RAM - I like G.Skill or Corsair RAM. MSY stock G.skill, and this model is the most recent model.
1600 Gskill Ares *GB Kit $58

PSU - SLI future upgrade proof. It's also semi modular and well recommended on this site
Antec TP 750 - $135

HDD - How much space do you need? It's just that those 2TB+ models are kinda pricey, but hey, it's your money :) 
Seagate Barracuda 1TB - $92

SSD - This is a low point for MSY at the moment. They don't stock a great deal of SSDs. I have seen this model recommended by Why_Me and others... Might want to check reviews see what you can find or ask around on this website. I also like the Intel 520. It's just a little expesive ATM. You might be able to find a Crucial M4 or Samsung 830 elsewhere. But the Sandisk is probably good.
SanDisk Extreme Solid State Drive 120GB $129.00

Optical - Whatever
Samsung - $19

$1511
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June 10, 2012 3:00:26 PM

Thanks inzone, Why_Me and Formata. Im going to splash out and get some expensive parts I know I'll be happy with.

inzone, going with the P8Z77-V-Pro

Why_Me and Formata, Im going to get the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO you both recommended. I found a place with corsair ram but if I dont end up getting that ill get the gskill ares you both recommended. A decision on the graphics card will pretty much be what out of gigabyte, asus and EVGA are in stock, but id prefer asus.

Lastly, Formatta going for an more expensive corsair case, but I'll use its features, like the look more than the carbides and will be able to reuse it in future builds

CPU: $241 Intel Core i5 processor i5-3570K LGA1155 [BX80637I53570K] - $241 MSY
HDD: Total: $327 SSD Sandisk G25 Extreme 120G $129 MSY and 3TB Seagate Barracuda $198 Greenboxit
GFX: $525 2G GTX 670 Gigabyte / Asus 515 / 525 or EVGA $479 / EVGA FTW $529
Motherboard: $227.90 P8Z77-V-Pro Greenboxit
Display $194 - $20 = $174 24” 2ms Asus VS248H ($174 after $20 Cashback) 194 MSY
DVD Burner: $23 Asus MSY
Power Supply: $244 Corsair AX850 Greenboxit
Case: $205 Corsair 650D Greenboxit
Cooling: $39 CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO MSY
RAM: $59.29 1600Mhz corsair vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 Greenboxit
Total: $2090-20 = $2070


Thanks you three for all your help and recommendations

If there is anything that looks horribly out of place please point it out, else ill probably start buying parts in 2-3 days.
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June 10, 2012 3:00:53 PM

Best answer selected by futureminime.
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June 10, 2012 5:34:46 PM

I tend to like the Evga FTW cards because they come with a nice overclock and also I know you live in Australia but the thing that stands out to me in looking at your list is the price of the power supply , $244 ?

http://greenboxit.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=11933_1... $208.66 on sale and a very good psu. I have the 1200w model of the High Current Pro.

http://greenboxit.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=11933_1... $181.90 also a very good psu.

I can't see you spending that much on a 850w psu when these two brands which are in my opinion higher rated and better quality are less money. My order of quality psu's would be ; SeaSonic , Silverstone , XFX , Antec and Corsair.
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June 10, 2012 11:08:49 PM

That list is all looking great. I agree with futureminime about the PSU. Corsairs AX series are great but come with a high price tag. The TX series are still really good and you can get them from MSY for a lot less. The 750W will be plenty for that build with future SLI

Corsair TX 750 = $141

9.5 on JonnyGURU is good enough for me:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Heres Toms recommendation of the Antec TP 750:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-psu-efficien...



EDIT: Just noticed the Corsair 650D. That case can be a bit of an oven. It's more setup for water cooling builds. Check the 500R if you want Corsair. Also with the Corsair RAM, just be sure to get the 'low profile' model vengeance memory. Not the ones with the huge heat spreaders on the top. Those heat spreaders can get in the road when putting that CPU cooler on. See low profile ram link, as just an example of how it looks:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...
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June 11, 2012 5:11:37 AM

Thanks inzone and Formata,

I will reassess case and PSU and ensure I get low profile ram.

Ill read some reviews for PSUs and look at gaming cases
thanks for suggestions for PSU and cases, they will be at the top of my list.

Ill probably collect the other parts while Im puzzling over case and PSU.
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