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April 14, 2012 4:37:33 PM

Hello!!

I had a XFX Geforce GTX 295 for about 2 years now and it suddenly stopped working. I pretty much think it's dead!

My computer config is as follows:

Core i7 920
6GB DDR3 1333 triple channel
MoBo MSI X58M
2x500HD Seagate
PSU Seventeam 850W


Since my old graphics died I'm buying a new one. A read a lot of reviews here and I decided not to go on a high-end one since I don't have PCI-e 3.0 (only 2.0)...

I read about the HD5850 being a good one. I found a MSI R5850 Twin Frozr II for 322 dollars (the cheapest place I could find here in Brazil). Is that a good deal? And is that a good graphics or should I go for another model?

I plan on playing SC2, Diablo3, BF3... But I usually don't go for the max graphics, just 1080p with no AA...


Any help would be good!

Thank you all!!

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a b U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 4:41:04 PM

Not having pci exp 3.0 is irrelevant. Even a gtx 680 will still not saturate a 2.0 slot. Grab the fastest card you can afford.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 4:57:54 PM

Don't worry PCI-E 3.0 cards will pretty much won't be bottlenecked by the 2.0 slot.

Your GTX 295 would be faster than the card that you're going to 'upgrade', the 5850. So it's pretty much a downgrade. If you want to upgrade take a look at GTX 580/7870.

If you want this just for a temporary change or just to make your system work, 5850 at $322 is pretty much a bad deal (well at least in my place). I don't know how GPU prices are in Brazil, but would you show your options on GPU?
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April 14, 2012 5:01:21 PM

Thanks Energy96!

I wonder if there's a GPU with similar (or even better) performance than my old XFX GTX295 that will not cost to much! I would like to spend as little as possible...

Thanks!
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April 14, 2012 5:06:45 PM

refillable,

Answering your question, a EVGA GTX 580 here (again, cheapest place I could find) is about 710 dollars! (yes! I'm not smooking!). Being a brazilian and living in Rio de Janeiro hurts you sometimes.. Heheheheh
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a c 175 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 5:07:47 PM

The 7870 at $350 (in my place). It should perform like GTX 580. How much is this on Brazil?
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April 14, 2012 5:17:22 PM

refillable,

A Sapphire Radeon 7870 2gb is - wait for it - 784 dollars! Yeah... Hurts a lot!
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a c 175 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 5:22:53 PM

What the...??

You sure man? How about 6950, 7950, 7850, GTX 570, 560 Ti?
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a c 88 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 5:24:40 PM

How about getting a card from Ebay?
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April 14, 2012 5:44:53 PM

refillable said:
What the...??

You sure man? How about 6950, 7950, 7850, GTX 570, 560 Ti?

Prices and the currency scale differently around the world I mean America is not the be all and end all there is a big huge world around it you know LOL. OP 5850 is a good enough card to play games on but being that prices are different in Brazil than from where I am which is Canada it is hard to gauge what a good deal is for you in you economic part of the world. Please repost with American/Candian currency prices so that I or we can make a more informed decision.
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April 14, 2012 5:52:53 PM

The problem here in Brazil is the import taxes.. It's almost +80% more on stock price. And them after that we have the seller profit.. So yeah... I'm pretty much sure that's correct.

monsta,
That price is from mercadolivre.com.br, a kind of ebay here in Brazil.

Refillable,
6950 - XFX 6950 2gb --> 463 dollars
7950 - Sapphire 7950 3GB --> 813 dollars
7850 - Sapphire 7850 2GB --> 600 dollars
GTX 570 - EVGA GTX 570 --> 526 dollars
GTX 560 Ti - Point of View GTX560Ti 1GB --> 383 dollars
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a b U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 6:02:56 PM

Warranty?
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April 14, 2012 6:09:09 PM

That MSI r5850 is a nice upgrade although a GTX 560 Ti would perform better for a few $ more. The XFX HD6950 2gb is the way to go to get the most for your money.
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April 14, 2012 6:15:14 PM

rafaebn said:
The problem here in Brazil is the import taxes.. It's almost +80% more on stock price. And them after that we have the seller profit.. So yeah... I'm pretty much sure that's correct.

monsta,
That price is from mercadolivre.com.br, a kind of ebay here in Brazil.

Refillable,
6950 - XFX 6950 2gb --> 463 dollars
7950 - Sapphire 7950 3GB --> 813 dollars
7850 - Sapphire 7850 2GB --> 600 dollars
GTX 570 - EVGA GTX 570 --> 526 dollars
GTX 560 Ti - Point of View GTX560Ti 1GB --> 383 dollars

All of them prices are much much to high just buy an Xbox 360 or another console.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 6:26:45 PM

Don't buy a console lol. I think that GTX 560 Ti might be perfect for you. It's a little bit slower than GTX 295, but it's newer tech, supports DX11 and blows HD5850 away.
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April 14, 2012 6:26:52 PM

egilbe, 6 months with the sellers. After that just with the manufacter..

Hydroc10, I know... I'm just weighing that on my mind.

MMO Fan, I have considered it. The problem is that I don't have a TV at home. I quit watching tv a few years ago. So just to play any console I would to buy it with a new TV. Which will be a lot more expensive than just buying a new graphics card...

I'm pretty much F*&#@!

Thanks everybody anyways!
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April 14, 2012 6:32:06 PM

Sunius said:
Don't buy a console lol. I think that GTX 560 Ti might be perfect for you. It's a little bit slower than GTX 295, but it's newer tech, supports DX11 and blows HD5850 away.

You would have to be lobotomized to think that a 560ti at close to $400 is a good idea in this situation I say Console FTW and I am by no means biased to consoles at all. For $400 you can get an Xbox and a (((( bunch )))) of used games from a PWN shop.
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April 14, 2012 6:34:59 PM

rafaebn said:
egilbe, 6 months with the sellers. After that just with the manufacter..

Hydroc10, I know... I'm just weighing that on my mind.

MMO Fan, I have considered it. The problem is that I don't have a TV at home. I quit watching tv a few years ago. So just to play any console I would to buy it with a new TV. Which will be a lot more expensive than just buying a new graphics card...

I'm pretty much F*&#@!

Thanks everybody anyways!

Hey man good job on getting rid of the TV it really is just a bunch of BS same programing month after month ect LOL so have I been of the TV for some time as well. Well you do know that you can hook the consoles up to your monitor via HDMI to DVI cable or adapter.
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a c 230 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 6:37:47 PM

rafaebn said:


Refillable,
6950 - XFX 6950 2gb --> 463 dollars
7950 - Sapphire 7950 3GB --> 813 dollars
7850 - Sapphire 7850 2GB --> 600 dollars
GTX 570 - EVGA GTX 570 --> 526 dollars
GTX 560 Ti - Point of View GTX560Ti 1GB --> 383 dollars


The 560 Ti, especially the 900Mhz versions from Asus , Gigabyte would be the best deal there by far



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a c 291 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 6:51:18 PM

MMO Fan said:
You would have to be lobotomized to think that a 560ti at close to $400 is a good idea in this situation I say Console FTW and I am by no means biased to consoles at all. For $400 you can get an Xbox and a (((( bunch )))) of used games from a PWN shop.


Prices are similar over here too. GTX 560 Ti costs $350. I still have it, and so what? Console gaming sucks, and we all know it. Plus, the OP doesn't have a TV. Considering his PC broke down and he needs a replacement, I'd say it's way better investment to replace a graphics card than buy a shitty console. The OP probably has a lot of games for the PC, buying a console would be a waste and would be more expensive in his situation, plus, GTX 560 Ti blows consoles away any day. You're the lobotomized one if you think it's worth it.
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April 14, 2012 7:03:33 PM

Sunius said:
Prices are similar over here too. GTX 560 Ti costs $350. I still have it, and so what? Console gaming sucks, and we all know it. Plus, the OP doesn't have a TV. Considering his PC broke down and he needs a replacement, I'd say it's way better investment to replace a graphics card than buy a shitty console. The OP probably has a lot of games for the PC, buying a console would be a waste and would be more expensive in his situation, plus, GTX 560 Ti blows consoles away any day. You're the lobotomized one if you think it's worth it.

In OPs situation and anyones for that matter a GPU for playing games is as far away from an investment as they come in fact it is just the opposite from an investment it is liability. A GTX 560ti for close to $400 is just no worth the price of admission for how much you get in return considering GTX 560ti are going for under $200 fair market value. You have the option to waste you money on frivolous material but for OP I am suggesting he exercise discipline and not let himself get ripped off and get an Xbox because $400 is just far to much money for just 1 560ti.
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April 14, 2012 7:07:37 PM

Hey guys... Come on! Chill! I just can't thank everybody enough for all this input! :sweat: 

And yes. I have a lot of games on Steam that I really still wanna play. And I tried to sell my PC and getting a console and a TV but it's not worth it! I've put a lot of money on it...

I'm considering this GTX560 Ti really hard. I found a Gigabyte GTX560Ti for about 364 dollars. What you guys think?


Thanks!!!
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April 14, 2012 7:12:27 PM

If the OP was interested in buying an Xbox and a TV do you think he would be on TH? I think Jack is right, A 560Ti with 1.25gb is about what it would take at least.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 7:15:39 PM

I own a Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti as well, and I'm extremely happy with it. It's was a good buy, overclocks like a champ, and deals with whatever I throw at it.

@MMO Fan:
Dude.. You are forgetting that $400 is US price for the XBOX, so it's likely to be more expensive elsewhere. Also, I wouldn't call paying that price for a graphics card to being ripped off, because that's the prices of everything. Just because your country collects taxes by collecting them, other countries collects them through VAT and other additive prices on the goods. Especially the imported ones. Before all the taxes here, the $350 GTX 560 Ti is around $220, but it would be illegal to get one without paying up the taxes. And that's for every piece of electronics. There's NO OTHER WAY TO GET THEM. It's not about getting ripped off, don't you get it?
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April 14, 2012 7:32:19 PM

killerchickens said:
The chart in the link below should give you a good idea about how other cards compare to yours.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...


OMG! I didn't see this chart! Awesome dude! Thanks!!!

It says I shouldn't upgrade unless the supposed new card is 3 tiers up or more. I guess I had a very good card! Too bad it's broken! Dammit!


Thanks!!!
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April 14, 2012 7:49:46 PM

$100 us= $54.43 Brazilian


6950 - XFX 6950 2gb --> 252 dollars
7950 - Sapphire 7950 3GB --> 442 dollars
7850 - Sapphire 7850 2GB --> 326 dollars
GTX 570 - EVGA GTX 570 --> 286 dollars
GTX 560 Ti - Point of View GTX560Ti 1GB --> 208.49 dollars
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a b U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 7:57:14 PM

If the price of a GTX 570 is as stated above^, then its a little better deal. A little more vram can make some difference as well as the 570 overclock decent to
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April 14, 2012 8:02:37 PM

rafaebn said:
Hey guys... Come on! Chill! I just can't thank everybody enough for all this input! :sweat: 

And yes. I have a lot of games on Steam that I really still wanna play. And I tried to sell my PC and getting a console and a TV but it's not worth it! I've put a lot of money on it...

I'm considering this GTX560 Ti really hard. I found a Gigabyte GTX560Ti for about 364 dollars. What you guys think?


Thanks!!!

Once again mate you can hook the Xbox up to your PC monitor.
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April 14, 2012 8:03:44 PM

Sunius said:
I own a Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti as well, and I'm extremely happy with it. It's was a good buy, overclocks like a champ, and deals with whatever I throw at it.

@MMO Fan:
Dude.. You are forgetting that $400 is US price for the XBOX, so it's likely to be more expensive elsewhere. Also, I wouldn't call paying that price for a graphics card to being ripped off, because that's the prices of everything. Just because your country collects taxes by collecting them, other countries collects them through VAT and other additive prices on the goods. Especially the imported ones. Before all the taxes here, the $350 GTX 560 Ti is around $220, but it would be illegal to get one without paying up the taxes. And that's for every piece of electronics. There's NO OTHER WAY TO GET THEM. It's not about getting ripped off, don't you get it?

Xbox is $199 and used is allot less anyone whom suggests a GTX 560ti for $400 is not right in the mind.
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April 14, 2012 8:05:43 PM

killerchickens said:
$100 us= $54.43 Brazilian


6950 - XFX 6950 2gb --> 252 dollars
7950 - Sapphire 7950 3GB --> 442 dollars
7850 - Sapphire 7850 2GB --> 326 dollars
GTX 570 - EVGA GTX 570 --> 286 dollars
GTX 560 Ti - Point of View GTX560Ti 1GB --> 208.49 dollars

OP said in Brazil the GTX 560 ti he has access to buy is $383 Ameican dollars please read OP posts.
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April 14, 2012 8:31:21 PM

lol the price over there is similar to the prices over here, sad thing is even a gtx680 is more expensive than 7970 lol when it's supposed to be cheaper.

I like console but face it mmo fan, console got it's ass kicked left and right by pc, and in it's possible for console to be expensive in their area too you know.

hope you don't misinterpret about me dissing console, had both ps and xbox play games there too with my niece, and other people, and I'm actually hoping for a nice performance on the new versions.

OT: gtx560ti is the best bang for your buck there, unless you can grab 6950 2gb/gtx570
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a c 291 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 8:35:23 PM

Mmo fan, are you trolling again? The OP clearly said that he has many games on steam and doesn't want a console.
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April 14, 2012 8:43:48 PM

MMO Fan said:
All of them prices are much much to high just buy an Xbox 360 or another console.

:sarcastic: 
or just buy a 8800 that cost a lot cheaper than an Xbox 360 and also play games with better graphics and performance than consoles...
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April 14, 2012 9:00:03 PM

Sunius said:
Mmo fan, are you trolling again? The OP clearly said that he has many games on steam and doesn't want a console.

Trolling again I never was would you like me to start in on you just kidding. $383 for a entry level GTX 560ti is not much to justify why would you recommend cards that are hundreds of dollars over market vaule as a good deal that why I suggest console in this one circumstance cause only a knot head would pay $383 for an middle range level entry level high performance card like the 560ti
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April 14, 2012 9:02:34 PM

michaelmk86 said:
:sarcastic: 
or just buy a 8800 that cost a lot cheaper than an Xbox 360 and also play games with better graphics and performance than consoles...

Well personally the 8800GTX is to slow for PC gaming 60fps min please for my high Dpi Razer mouse and keyboard and besides in order to attain proper high performance in todays games with that card you will have to turn down the setting an make it look even worse than the console version in most games.
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April 14, 2012 9:11:50 PM

MMO Fan said:
Well personally the 8800GTX is to slow for PC gaming 60fps min please for my high Dpi Razer mouse and keyboard and besides in order to attain proper high performance in todays games with that card you will have to turn down the setting an make it look even worse than the console version in most games.

Do you realise that the xbox play games with 1280x720(or less), low-medium settings, and 25-30fps? the 8800 series will play every game much better than this.

In fact even a prehistoric ATI X1950 still can play games like Crysis 2 with equal settings to consoles link let alone the 8800 that is two times faster...
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April 14, 2012 9:17:02 PM

michaelmk86 said:
Do you realise that the xbox play games with 1280x720(or less), low-medium settings, and 25-30fps? the 8800 series will play every game much better than this.

In fact even a prehistoric ATI X1950 still can play games like Crysis 2 with equal settings to consoles link let alone the 8800 that is two times faster...

I would have to respectful disagree see because I owned the 8800GTX 768mb from day one launch and still have it today in the box of coarse because games look like **** on it to be honest. Sorry if I sound kinda like negative but this video explain what I am trying to communicate a lot better than I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJ0RQfeOXo
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April 14, 2012 9:30:53 PM

MMO Fan said:
I would have to respectful disagree see because I owned the 8800GTX 768mb from day one launch and still have it today in the box of coarse because games look like **** on it to be honest. Sorry if I sound kinda like negative but this video explain what I am trying to communicate a lot better than I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJ0RQfeOXo

Thanks captain obvious, for pointing out that modern GPU will play games better than a 8800GTX (from 2006). But the fact is that a 8800GTX will play games with better graphics and performance than consoles, and this is something that you cannot deny.
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April 14, 2012 9:34:26 PM

michaelmk86 said:
Thanks captain obvious, for pointing out that modern GPU will play games better than a 8800GTX (from 2006). But the fact is that a 8800GTX will play games with better graphics and performance than consoles, and this is something that you cannot deny.

I don't think Crysis looks better on the 8800GTX than it does on the Xbox See the thing is games are just more optimized for the consoles it's a hard truth I have had to come to terms with as a PC enthusiast. Also thanx for insulting me but care to back up your claims/opinions.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
April 14, 2012 9:36:03 PM

8800 GTX can run crysis on ultra at 720p (console resolution), so consoles cannot be even compared to it.
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April 14, 2012 9:37:53 PM

Sunius said:
8800 GTX can run crysis on ultra at 720p (console resolution), so consoles cannot be even compared to it.

8800GTX chokes on Crysis med 720p is the sweet spot for the 8800GTX in that game.
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April 14, 2012 9:52:26 PM

MMO Fan said:
I don't think Crysis looks better on the 8800GTX than it does on the Xbox See the thing is games are just more optimized for the consoles it's a hard truth I have had to come to terms with as a PC enthusiast. Also thanx for insulting me but care to back up your claims/opinions.

I have played crysis with 8800GTX and i known VERY WELL that it play like that (1680x1050, high settings, 30-35fps avg) or (1280x800, very high settings, 30-35fps avg)

on the other hand

xbox run crysis like that (1152x720 and 1024x720(for ps3), (mixed)medium settings, 25-30fps) also the game stops once in a wheel to load the next part of the map, the fov is incredible small is like looking through a tube, etc
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April 14, 2012 10:05:29 PM

michaelmk86 said:
I have played crysis with 8800GTX and i known VERY WELL that it play like that (1680x1050, high settings, 30-35fps avg) or (1280x800, very high settings, 30-35fps avg)

on the other hand

xbox run crysis like that (1152x720 and 1024x720(for ps3), (mixed)medium settings, 25-30fps) also the game stops once in a wheel to load the next part of the map, the fov is incredible small is like looking through a tube, etc

25 - 30fps is plenty for slow assed gamepads but you might want to reconsider how Crysis ported on the Xbox 360 on Cryengine 3 looks because they did a very great job I would post a link to a vid but you probably wont watch it anyway. 8800GTX is old and slow now it was after all the worlds first DX10 GPU. I am a PC elitist BIGOT big time and I am the first to admit they did a great job on the console port of Crysis 1
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April 14, 2012 10:18:21 PM

MMO Fan said:
25 - 30fps is plenty for slow assed gamepads but you might want to reconsider how Crysis ported on the Xbox 360 on Cryengine 3 looks because they did a very great job I would post a link to a vid but you probably wont watch it anyway. 8800GTX is old and slow now it was after all the worlds first DX10 GPU. I am a PC elitist BIGOT big time and I am the first to admit they did a great job on the console port of Crysis 1

The fact is that any 8800 play games with far better graphics and performance than consoles.

Crysis 1 - on 8800GTX (1680x1050, high settings, 30-35fps avg) or (1280x800, very high settings, 30-35fps avg)
Crysis 1 - on 360 (1152x720, (mixed)medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, game stops once in a wheel to load the next part of the map)
Crysis 1 - on ps3(1024x720, (mixed)medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, game stops once in a wheel to load the next part of the map)
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Vanilla Very High pc vs Xbox


yes great job for consoles standards...
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April 14, 2012 10:22:33 PM

Egil has a great point that I did not see anyone else mention. XFX had a great warranty system for that card. Did you call them and try for an RMA? You may get a great upgrade for free if that is possible, they may give you a 6850 or possibly better (but I doubt it)
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April 14, 2012 10:39:58 PM

michaelmk86 said:
The fact is that any 8800 play games with far better graphics and performance than consoles.

Crysis 1 - on 8800GTX (1680x1050, high settings, 30-35fps avg) or (1280x800, very high settings, 30-35fps avg)
Crysis 1 - on 360 (1152x720, (mixed)medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, game stops once in a wheel to load the next part of the map)
Crysis 1 - on ps3(1024x720, (mixed)medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, game stops once in a wheel to load the next part of the map)
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Vanilla Very High pc vs Xbox
http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/3418/crysispc.jpg
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/7527/crysis360.jpg
yes great job for consoles standards...

I am not getting all excited over a game LOL to me its a good direction when they are porting to console and not the other way around for a change. Plus those are still images of pictures you posted and the console it consistence but really what GPU was used on the PC version who knows invalid anyway. Can the 8800GTX make the game look that great like the top image you posted with 30fps minimums I know it cant so no point in beating the dead horse.

Crysis 1 PC 8800 GTX MED graphical settings 1080P min 35fps and it looks like crap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJ0RQfeOXo
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April 15, 2012 11:36:03 AM

MMO Fan said:
I am not getting all excited over a game LOL to me its a good direction when they are porting to console and not the other way around for a change. Plus those are still images of pictures you posted and the console it consistence but really what GPU was used on the PC version who knows invalid anyway. Can the 8800GTX make the game look that great like the top image you posted with 30fps minimums I know it cant so no point in beating the dead horse.

Crysis 1 PC 8800 GTX MED graphical settings 1080P min 35fps and it looks like crap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJ0RQfeOXo


So now you tell me that, the still images some how are disadvantageous for the xbox only :heink:  Oh right the xbox version is going to look better in motion because of the low fps :sarcastic:  .... get real mate.

What you have said so far is flat out wrong, and you need to come to terms with reality.



8800GTX = (1680x1050, high settings, 30-35fps avg) or (1280x800, very high settings, 30-35fps avg)
vs
consoles = (1152x720 and 1024x720(for ps3), (mixed)medium settings, 25-30fps, small fov, game stops once in a wheel to load the next part of the map)

as you can see above, the 8800GTX can make the game look that great but in 1280x800 (still higher resolution than consoles)
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April 15, 2012 11:49:43 AM

Please do not feed the trolls. lol
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a c 88 U Graphics card
April 15, 2012 2:18:07 PM

Whats an xbox got to do with this? meh
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