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Firepro v5900 Vs Nvidia Quadro 2000

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April 15, 2012 2:50:28 PM

So It is time to change my 4 year old student laptop (gateway FX) and buy my firs freelancer work PC.

My budget is around 2000$

my needs are :

3D modeling
3D rendering
2d painting
video editing


Programs:

Rhinoceros with V-ray 1.5 which has real time rendering
Mudbox
Maya
Solid edge
Premier
Affter Effects

My build is:

processor Intel i7-3930K with corsair cooling hydro H100 to overclock it for brief rendering times during work.
motherboard Asus P9X79 Deluxe for future ram expansion to 32 gb
ram 4*4gb corsair DDR3-1866
SSD Corsair Force3 (60GB)
HDD Seagate barracuda 7200 2 TB

This is pretty much fixed, I have only a doubt about the graphic card.


I can get an ATI Firepro V5900 or a more expensive Nvidia Quadro 2000, but I have not seen any direct comparison, they are around the same price range and the Firepro v3900 which is a lower tier seems to beats the lower tier Quad 600, and also the upper tier V7900 seems to be better than the Quadro 4000.


The quad 2000 would cost me around 100$ more than the Firepro(I am in Italy), if the difference is not that great I would go for the cheaper Firepro, if not I might consider dishing out the extra $$$




Any thoughts, suggestions and links will be appreciated.





I will add some links to reviews and articles about Professional Video cards.

Comparison v3900 and Quadro 600:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firepro-v3900-revie...

Comparison v7900 and Quadro 4000 (biased):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGRfpS9M-Fo

Unboxing v5900:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

official V5900 page:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/workstation/graphics/ati...

Official quadro 2000 page:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-quadro-2000-us.htm...




a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2012 3:14:12 PM

I highly recommend you go with Quadro 6000 other wise go with GTx 580 3GB $500... You'll need CUDA to do some of your work... GTx 680 has a lack of OpenGL so dont bother with GTx 680...
April 15, 2012 3:30:26 PM

I wish I could get the Quadro 6000 but it is a 4.000$ card, and the GTX 580 is a gaming card and is not suppose to be as good for rendering an 3D modeling.

the Firepro V5900 and Quadro 2000 are a bit cheaper than the GTX580 but are suppose to give greater performance on CAD and rendering application.

Anyone knows of a website that benchmarks Professional video cards?
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a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2012 4:40:14 PM

vaell said:
I wish I could get the Quadro 6000 but it is a 4.000$ card, and the GTX 580 is a gaming card and is not suppose to be as good for rendering an 3D modeling.

the Firepro V5900 and Quadro 2000 are a bit cheaper than the GTX580 but are suppose to give greater performance on CAD and rendering application.

Anyone knows of a website that benchmarks Professional video cards?

This the best video card under $2000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 15, 2012 4:57:55 PM

sorry, I wasn't clear, the entire PC budget is 2000$ the Video card budget is less than 500$

I can get the Firepro for 400$ and the quadro for 500$, so I wondered if the quadro was atleast 25% better than the Firepro, if not then I will go for the Firepro.
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2012 6:13:55 PM

vaell said:
sorry, I wasn't clear, the entire PC budget is 2000$ the Video card budget is less than 500$

I can get the Firepro for 400$ and the quadro for 500$, so I wondered if the quadro was atleast 25% better than the Firepro, if not then I will go for the Firepro.

Fail LOL...
MotherBoard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $223
Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $ $755
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $310
RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $90
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $154
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $113
SSD Cache: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $105
CPU Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $90
HDD: http://www.logicbuy.com/deals/seagate-barracuda-3tb-har... $160

Total: $2000(With Shipping added) Recommend Rebate for savings...
Recommend but before April 19 for the HDD!

Note: I might missed something but you can add it or make it better... You dont need 3930k Because you'll want to upgrade to IvyBridge-Enthusiast Which is said to be better and do better than SandyBridge-Enthusiast.. Highly Recommend wait and upgrade to IvyBridge-Enthusiast... It should come in Q4 2012 other wise no later than Q2 2013
April 15, 2012 7:19:51 PM

I am checking all of the components, the only problem is i do not have acces to all of those items, I am currently in Italy :p 

It is a full remake of what I had in mind.

I will definitively take into account the info, thanks a ton!


just a question in advance, is it better that air cooler than a hydro cooler from corsair?





a c 291 U Graphics card
April 15, 2012 7:28:55 PM

Corsair cooler is nice. Ignore legendkiller, he's trolling, you cannot get that build for $2000 in europe, it would be closer to $2800-$3000. Anyway, I'd suggest going for Quadro 2000. It has CUDA support, which AMD cards are missing and it's very helpful, afaik. Do you know if the software you use supports cuda?
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2012 10:44:00 PM

Sunius said:
Corsair cooler is nice. Ignore legendkiller, he's trolling, you cannot get that build for $2000 in europe, it would be closer to $2800-$3000. Anyway, I'd suggest going for Quadro 2000. It has CUDA support, which AMD cards are missing and it's very helpful, afaik. Do you know if the software you use supports cuda?

What you mean by $2800 when I add it up to $2000 in US Dollar(it's not in Europe money)? I dont get how it would be $2800, please explain...

@ vaell you can find those parts where ever sites you can find them in...
April 15, 2012 11:07:21 PM

Legendkiller's rig is fairly cheap here, I found all the components and it is within my budget ( in Euros of course)
And yes, my programs do use CUDA, so I do not mind sacrificing the processor for a gain with the Quadro 4000

I think I will drop the HDD and stick to SSD for now until I need the extra memory.
Any suggestions for which one is a good, fast and reasonably priced 60 GB SSD?

and will also keep the hydro cooler to take the heat outside the tower.

a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2012 11:36:33 PM

vaell said:
Legendkiller's rig is fairly cheap here, I found all the components and it is within my budget ( in Euros of course)
And yes, my programs do use CUDA, so I do not mind sacrificing the processor for a gain with the Quadro 4000

I think I will drop the HDD and stick to SSD for now until I need the extra memory.
Any suggestions for which one is a good, fast and reasonably priced 60 GB SSD?

and will also keep the hydro cooler to take the heat outside the tower.

What you wanna do when finding a SSD is find the lowest price... the SSD performance does not matter because 100% of the SSD can beat the performance of a HDD most or nearly 100% of the time... Try to find more storage for price when searching for SSD so if you have like $100 left, try to find a SSD that has the highest storage or at least up to 60-100GB for your Windows and softwares installation...

EDIT: are you ganna upgrade to IBE or what because it's $1000 if you want the best...
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2012 2:38:42 AM

vaell said:
What is "IBE" i guess it is a better Video card, I think ill stay with the Quadro 4000, i think it is my sweetspot.

I am getting:

Much cheaper case here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and

a healthy balance of speed, price and size
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks for your suggestion guys, I am much happier with this configuration than the original one, and it is cheaper and probably 2x as powerful

IvyBridge-Entusiast which is a CPU where you can upgrade later into which is a 22nm CPU and will take full advantage of the 22nm and comes in 8/10 cores with 16/20 threads... Highly recommend it for your workstation...
a c 291 U Graphics card
April 16, 2012 5:03:13 AM

Just a note: You cannot order from newegg, it doesn't ship oversees.

@LegendKiller. All the prices of hardware in Europe are 30-40% more expensive due to VAT and import taxes. As I said, considering europe prices, it won't cost $2000, it will cost $2800.
April 16, 2012 9:05:33 AM

Yeah, that is a pain not being able to buy from newegg, but I know of a decent place and got the components for 2200U$, but it is true it would have cost around 2800U$ almost anywhere else.

@Legendkiller: I hope to upgrade to IBE if i see that i still need CPU power, but for the moment i guess the GPU should be enough for what i need it for.

I have been poking around and have been seeing that the GTX580 that is openGL can actually outperform many quadros... I think even the quadro 4000...

I think i will keep researching a bit more about the Video card before I make a decision...

a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2012 9:50:46 AM

vaell said:
Yeah, that is a pain not being able to buy from newegg, but I know of a decent place and got the components for 2200U$, but it is true it would have cost around 2800U$ almost anywhere else.

@Legendkiller: I hope to upgrade to IBE if i see that i still need CPU power, but for the moment i guess the GPU should be enough for what i need it for.

I have been poking around and have been seeing that the GTX580 that is openGL can actually outperform many quadros... I think even the quadro 4000...

I think i will keep researching a bit more about the Video card before I make a decision...

You need CPU power for faster rendering... a 3820 @ 4GHz is like a i7 2600k @ 4.8GHz(i think as some people said) so since IBE is ganna come out, it should be super fast with 10 cores compare to 4/6 cores... Highly recommend it...

@ Sunius, I know that he cant buy stuff from newegg... that's why he will look for it as I said earlier in one of my post that he should find it somewhere else and also he said it's in his budget in Euros so it shouldn't matter much...
April 16, 2012 11:16:02 AM

Yeah, i am going to wait for IBE, but for now i want to have a good Video card for "real time" rendering and 3D modeling, that is what professional video cards are for... my only doubt right now is exaclty how much better is the quadro 4000 vs the GTX580

it is 750$ vs 500$ so unless it is a hell of alot faster ill probably go for the GTX580 that is also much better for gaming.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2012 12:08:57 PM

vaell said:
Yeah, i am going to wait for IBE, but for now i want to have a good Video card for "real time" rendering and 3D modeling, that is what professional video cards are for... my only doubt right now is exaclty how much better is the quadro 4000 vs the GTX580

it is 750$ vs 500$ so unless it is a hell of alot faster ill probably go for the GTX580 that is also much better for gaming.

You dont have to wait but go with 3820 for now if you needed it now... The Quadro sure are better at doing professional 3D software BUT GTx 580 is better for multi tasking but lack at 3D software but still good... Quadro is Only and meant for 3D software and compatible with anything where as a GTx 580 sometime have no compatible to some software.... Quadro is not that good for Games if you got a lower end like Quadro 2000 because most games uses how much Processing Unit it has and the bandwidth of the memory where the Quadro 2000 would be crap be BF3... Quadro 4000 is good enough for both Game and 3D design but mostly toward 3D design than games actually... So if you compare to the GTx 580 and Quadro 4000, from what your doing, the Quadro is in my opinion is 70% better
June 8, 2012 11:54:16 AM

performance wise in maya at least firepro cards are much faster, but there is one issue by one guy having selection lag issue on firepro 4900, somehow firepros work much faster in maya than quadros, v4900 performs similar to quadro 2000 and is around half the price....
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