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June 13, 2012 4:04:55 PM

Hello,
I'm looking for some advice on a new build.
This computer will be used for Heavy Video, Photo Editing, and some Gaming.
I would like to know if their are any problems with the hardware i picked or will work together.
If you have recommendations to future proof this would be very helpfull.

CPU: Inter i7-3820 Or i7-3930. The 3930 is $500.00 at Microcenter.

MOBO: Asus Sabertooth X79 $319.00

GPU: Vision Tek Radeon HD 7070 $469.00

RAM: Corsair DDR3/1600 Vengeance 4x4GB Dimms $100.00

COOLER: NZXT Havik 120 $50.00

POWER: Corsairs 850 HX $174.00

CASE: NZXT Phantom-se 410 $100.00

OPTICAL DRIVE: Lite-On i HBS 212-08 $115.00

OS: Windows 7 Profesional $250.00

SSD: OCZ 240 GB Vertex 3 Sata III 2.5 $220.00

HHD: Western Digital 1TB WD10EARX $100.00

Any help would be appreciated
June 13, 2012 4:20:33 PM

Right idea, but your funds are way, way mismanaged and there's not a lot of hardware I would recommend (Visiontex, Vertex 3, Vengeance RAM). On a $2500 machine here's what I would get:

Case: lNZXT Switch 810 - $169.99
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKII 950W - $149.99
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 - $319.99
CPU: 3.2GHz Intel Core i7-3930K - $589.99
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 Socket LGA 2011 Edition - $84.99
RAM: 16GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 1600MHz 1.5V - $129.99
SSD: 128GB OCZ Vertex 4 - $129.99
HD: 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST - $119.99
Optical: LG Blu Ray Burner - $79.99
Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 670 FTW - $419.99
OS: Windows 7 Pro - $139.99

Total: $2,334.89
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June 13, 2012 4:36:41 PM

2fast4thetown_down said:
do you mean the 7970 you put 7070?

Other than that the cpu looks like it is a little over kill
look at this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but if you get the i7 3820 on new egg and a 7970 you are set for a while.


Yes 7970. Yes I had the 3820 Microcenter has it for $220.00
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June 13, 2012 4:50:48 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Right idea, but your funds are way, way mismanaged and there's not a lot of hardware I would recommend (Visiontex, Vertex 3, Vengeance RAM). On a $2500 machine here's what I would get:

Case: lNZXT Switch 810 - $169.99
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKII 950W - $149.99
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 - $319.99
CPU: 3.2GHz Intel Core i7-3930K - $589.99
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 Socket LGA 2011 Edition - $84.99
RAM: 16GB Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 1600MHz 1.5V - $129.99
SSD: 128GB OCZ Vertex 4 - $129.99
HD: 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST - $119.99
Optical: LG Blu Ray Burner - $79.99
Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 670 FTW - $419.99
OS: Windows 7 Pro - $139.99

Total: $2,334.89


+1 to all this. I'd grab a bigger SSD for some extra scratch space though. And since video isn't compressible, don't get a sandforce ssd. I'd get the 256GB Samsung 830, it is one of the fastest, most reliable SSDs and it doesn't slow down on uncompressable data.

Also, the mobo is overkill unless you have a specific purpose for it. The ASRock 2011 extreme4 or extreme6 would be better options.
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June 13, 2012 4:53:44 PM

custom1 said:
Yes 7970. Yes I had the 3820 Microcenter has it for $220.00


Get it!!!!! That is a great deal
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June 13, 2012 5:02:56 PM

^that would be a quad core cpu on lga 2011...
Might as well go with ivy + z77 and get the newer version of quicksync. Not to mention how much you would save.
LGA 2011 is for hexa core or 3/4way sli/cf.

Also, for the PSU, that PC power and cooling unit isn't modular which means you'd have a ton of loose cables inside the computer. I'd recommend one like: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Still plenty of power and still a great PSU. Or get your original choice, I just realised it wasn't the same as what g-unit picked.
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June 13, 2012 5:10:47 PM

slicedtoad said:
+1 to all this. I'd grab a bigger SSD for some extra scratch space though. And since video isn't compressible, don't get a sandforce ssd. I'd get the 256GB Samsung 830, it is one of the fastest, most reliable SSDs and it doesn't slow down on uncompressable data.

Also, the mobo is overkill unless you have a specific purpose for it. The ASRock 2011 extreme4 or extreme6 would be better options.


The Vertex 4 isn't a Sandforce drive (I hate Sandforce drives), it's based on the new Indilinx controller which is a way faster variant of the Marvell controller used on the Crucial M4: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/vertex-4-everest-2-...

The motherboard isn't really overkill because on a video rendering system you'll want the most amount of RAM you can get and this allows up to 64GB, I wouldn't get a motherboard that has fewer RAM slots because of that.

A bigger SSD won't affect performance either way which is what the secondary HD is there for and it's also why I usually only include 128GB SSDs on builds.

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Also, for the PSU, that PC power and cooling unit isn't modular which means you'd have a ton of loose cables inside the computer. I'd recommend one like: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817207017


I never recommend modular PSUS - I've had way too many fail on me, route your cables behind the motherboard tray, use a couple of twist ties, problem solved.
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June 13, 2012 5:30:38 PM

10 years ago modular PSUs were often bad, this is not the case anymore. Both the xfx I linked and the corsair hx 850 are very well reviewed on johnnyguru and come with good warranties (5 and 7 years).

You're right about the vertex 4, I read that quickly and forgot they had changed controllers while keeping the same naming scheme. The size is up to the op but I find when working on video or images it's nice to be able to keep current projects on the ssd. 128GB limits this practice significantly.

I recommended a 4 and 8 ram slot mobo, both significantly better value than the sabertooth. He's starting with 16GB of ram so I think it's unlikely he will upgrade to more than 32GB but if he thinks he'll need 64GB then the ASRock extreme6 will do that for only $250.
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June 13, 2012 5:35:34 PM

slicedtoad said:
10 years ago modular PSUs were often bad, this is not the case anymore. Both the xfx I linked and the corsair hx 850 are very well reviewed on johnnyguru and come with good warranties (5 and 7 years).

You're right about the vertex 4, I read that quickly and forgot they had changed controllers while keeping the same naming scheme. The size is up to the op but I find when working on video or images it's nice to be able to keep current projects on the ssd. 128GB limits this practice significantly.

I recommended a 4 and 8 ram slot mobo, both significantly better value than the sabertooth. He's starting with 16GB of ram so I think it's unlikely he will upgrade to more than 32GB but if he thinks he'll need 64GB then the ASRock extreme6 will do that for only $250.


Yeah I really want to replace my Sandforce drive with a Vertex 4 but that might be a couple of months out.

I know 128GB is somewhat limiting but on my work PC - I work with large scanners that produce huge files (a 30-page document can sometimes be 2 -3GB) on a daily basis, and my primary SSD is a Crucial M4, and my secondary SSD is a 1TB Samsung Spinpoint. When I transfer the files over I store them on the 1TB and converting them to a sizeable PDF file takes mere seconds when on my previous build I was using it took anywhere from 10 - 20 minutes.

As far as PSUs go - this is recent that I've had problems with modular PSUs. My first build was in 2009 and it was based off X58, and I was using a modular PSU (some Ultra POS) and it crashed my system any time I did something that wasn't in idle mode. I chucked that PSU for a Corsair TX750 (now using PC Power & Cooling Silencer) and it's been problem free ever since.
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June 13, 2012 6:01:55 PM

For image editing 128GB is probably enough. But for video, depending on what you are editing, my projects will often exceed 50GB since I have a multiple versions of each clip. So if you have windows, CS5, MS Office and 1 or 2 large games, it's hard to even fit one project on there.

The reason your psu died is probably because it was some ultra lsp model which are horrible and often fire hazards. Modularity makes no difference on high quality PSUs.
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June 13, 2012 6:14:46 PM

slicedtoad said:
For image editing 128GB is probably enough. But for video, depending on what you are editing, my projects will often exceed 50GB since I have a multiple versions of each clip. So if you have windows, CS5, MS Office and 1 or 2 large games, it's hard to even fit one project on there.

The reason your psu died is probably because it was some ultra lsp model which are horrible and often fire hazards. Modularity makes no difference on high quality PSUs.


So you like this SSD better. OCZ 240 Vertex 4

As for a case : NZXT Switch 810

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June 13, 2012 6:34:11 PM
June 13, 2012 6:42:52 PM



The Carbide 500R is a great choice but I'm personally a fan of the Switch 810, and I'd take that far over the rest of those choices. I also like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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well.... i started reading the other responses but i got bored. To be honest with you, putting a i7 3820 in a X79 motherboard is like putting Ford´s fiesta tires in a Ferrari, X79 is for heavy workloads and get a nvidia GPU, they have more features that help you in encoding, decoding (Cuda, Physx and other stuff) i recomend you getting a i7 3930k simply because its has 6 cores, that will help you A LOT


Yeah video editing - especially After Effects and similar programs - the more cores you have the better, but I'd definitely go with the 3930K over the 3820 any day of the week, you want anything you can to help cut down on loading and processing times and the more cores and higher RAM capacity you have the better.
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June 13, 2012 7:04:33 PM

g-unit1111 said:
The Carbide 500R is a great choice but I'm personally a fan of the Switch 810, and I'd take that far over the rest of those choices. I also like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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well.... i started reading the other responses but i got bored. To be honest with you, putting a i7 3820 in a X79 motherboard is like putting Ford´s fiesta tires in a Ferrari, X79 is for heavy workloads and get a nvidia GPU, they have more features that help you in encoding, decoding (Cuda, Physx and other stuff) i recomend you getting a i7 3930k simply because its has 6 cores, that will help you A LOT


Yeah video editing - especially After Effects and similar programs - the more cores you have the better, but I'd definitely go with the 3930K over the 3820 any day of the week, you want anything you can to help cut down on loading and processing times and the more cores and higher RAM capacity you have the better.



I was thinking about the 3930K for $500. Which is a good deal.
Another Question about the windows 7 Pro. I hear that the OEM version if you burn out your motherboard you can't transfer your window license to the new board. Is this true? Thats why I had the full version. @ $250
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June 13, 2012 7:12:20 PM

Do you need pro?
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA/windows7/products/co...
I doubt you need anything but home premium.
And just get the OEM, you could get it twice for the price of the full version. Also there are ways around the burn in, like calling MS and explaining that your mobo died and you bought a new one.
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June 13, 2012 7:14:10 PM

g-unit1111 said:
The Carbide 500R is a great choice but I'm personally a fan of the Switch 810, and I'd take that far over the rest of those choices. I also like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 650D is also a very nice case. The pictures don't do it justice, it looks awesome irl.
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June 13, 2012 8:17:17 PM

^true but tom's hardware has rules against helping with that. Also, it's a $2500 build, an extra $100 for legit windows isn't going to hurt.
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June 13, 2012 8:48:53 PM

custom1 said:
I was thinking about the 3930K for $500. Which is a good deal.
Another Question about the windows 7 Pro. I hear that the OEM version if you burn out your motherboard you can't transfer your window license to the new board. Is this true? Thats why I had the full version. @ $250


No - I've installed and reinstalled Windows on several builds - never had that problem. You may have problems with activation but if you call Microsoft and enter your code you'll be fine. No need to pay $250 for the full version.

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Do you need pro?
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-CA [...] ts/compare


*ANY* X79 build you'll need Pro or Ultimate because Home Premium has a 16GB RAM ceiling - and if you're going to be using After Effects or similar RAM-hungry programs you don't want to forfeit use of that by going cheap on the OS. Pro and Ultimate have no limitations on RAM.
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June 13, 2012 10:29:27 PM

^thanks for correcting that, didn't know that was a limitation. I have pro on all my computers because MS gives it free to CS students. I got several copies when I was in college and now my bother gets free copies :) .
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June 13, 2012 10:33:15 PM

Hey for the extra $100 on windows 7 pro its worth it. The time I'll be on the phone pleading with microsoft for the license its not worth it getting it free.

I'm not crazy about Windows 7. I have windows XP and love it alot.
I hear that windows 7 mail is terrible. I'm used to outlook express Clean and simple.
Windows 7 Live mail with messenger i'm told no good.
From what I read online I can hack Vista Mail which is very close to outlook express.

Also everyone was very helpful here.
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June 13, 2012 11:29:04 PM

^lol the last step isn't legal. I've pirated windows for my friends many times but I've never claimed it was legal... Also there are better tools than the one you mentioned.
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June 13, 2012 11:48:20 PM

slicedtoad said:
^thanks for correcting that, didn't know that was a limitation. I have pro on all my computers because MS gives it free to CS students. I got several copies when I was in college and now my bother gets free copies :) .


Yeah Home Premium has a limit. That's mainly because the people who buy Home Premium don't usually have a need for more than 16GB RAM.
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June 14, 2012 11:04:21 AM

You know it is a crime not to use full custom water cooling in that beautiful NZXT Switch 810 right?
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June 14, 2012 3:29:06 PM

jacknhut said:
You know it is a crime not to use full custom water cooling in that beautiful NZXT Switch 810 right?


What do you recommend?

Corsair H100
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June 14, 2012 4:46:01 PM

custom1 said:
What do you recommend?

Corsair H100


Hell no. If you're going to do liquid cooling on a Switch 810, I would not trust an H100 - get this instead: http://www.swiftech.com/H2O-x20-Edge-HD.aspx

The Switch 810 is one of the few cases on the market that can properly house a three-fan liquid radiator, and there's no way I'd trust the cheap 10 cent fans of the H100 to a $500 CPU.

I'm heavily considering getting the dual fan version for my 600T but that's a few months out. I'm currently researching liquid cooling and all the installation techniques and what can go wrong during install before I take the plunge.
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June 14, 2012 6:38:32 PM

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You know what? dont do watercooling, and dont get any closed loop water coolers, they suck and the one that dont suck are waaaaaay too expensive, just get a nice Air cooler OR if you really feel the need of having watercooler than why dont you build your self a water cooling system? one that cools your gpu and cpu, and uses a reservoir pumps, waterblocks and everything, although thats probably gonna cost you 450-600$


The radiator I posted is $240 and that includes everything you need, but I think I sense the sarcasm here. :lol: 
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June 14, 2012 6:45:04 PM

For $130, get the RASA Kit.
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June 14, 2012 7:11:30 PM

g-unit1111 said:
The radiator I posted is $240 and that includes everything you need, but I think I sense the sarcasm here. :lol: 


Thanks for the info. It looks like a nice unit.

I think with the water cooler the system will be quieter them having the fans running full blast on an air system...
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June 14, 2012 8:08:16 PM

custom1 said:
Thanks for the info. It looks like a nice unit.

I think with the water cooler the system will be quieter them having the fans running full blast on an air system...


I have like 6 fans hooked up to my HAF 912 and the thing is so quiet I hardly know it's on. The top fan is a bit noisy but it's hardly noticeable.
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June 14, 2012 10:16:57 PM

custom1 said:
What do you recommend?

Corsair H100


This XSPC RASA RX360 Full custome water cooling kit that includes radiator, pump, resevoir, CPU waterblock, tubing for $189.99. You can buy GPU waterblock later on and add that GPU into the watercool loop too. This radiator is a 360 radiator 60mm thick, put that on top of the case and do push pull with Nocture fans and you got yourself an extremely quiet watercool set up with great performance.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

This is what it generally looks like if you use red coolant and add lights to the case. Please note there is a 2nd 240 mm radiator on the bottom added for SLI video card cooling, which is not necessary if you have single card.


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June 15, 2012 12:14:36 AM

Everybody was so helpful. I'm going to put together my final list in about a week and post it to a new thread, and start ordering the parts.

Thanks Alot........
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June 15, 2012 3:16:07 AM

I'm on full custom wc and I love it. But... it's not for everyone. It requires research, time, maintenance and money. It also isn't worth it if you count worth strictly on performance per dollar. If you just want good and silent cooling, grab a noctua for around $100.

I would never discourage you from going with water cooling but understand it's a hobby and not just another cooling solution for your computer. Also you will need to read up on it and figure out exactly what you need. Read over this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265776-29-read-first-...

And don't use colored liquids. They all break down eventually (how long depends on many factors) and end up blocking your water blocks or radiator. Just use distilled water with colored tubing instead.
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June 15, 2012 1:58:26 PM

slicedtoad said:
I'm on full custom wc and I love it. But... it's not for everyone. It requires research, time, maintenance and money. It also isn't worth it if you count worth strictly on performance per dollar. If you just want good and silent cooling, grab a noctua for around $100.

I would never discourage you from going with water cooling but understand it's a hobby and not just another cooling solution for your computer. Also you will need to read up on it and figure out exactly what you need. Read over this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265776-29-read-first-...

And don't use colored liquids. They all break down eventually (how long depends on many factors) and end up blocking your water blocks or radiator. Just use distilled water with colored tubing instead.



Hey Great Reading... Thanks..
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