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Upgrading Vid Card... GeForce GTS 250?

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April 17, 2012 7:49:01 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Someday...

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Light Gaming.. free MMOs usually.. Trickster Online.. and the upcoming PSO2. Running Trickster itself nearly 24/7 though.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: Whatever came with HP Pavilion P7 1010. I think its like 300w, so i'd need a new power supply too.

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: 6gb ram, W7 home, 1tb hd

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: ebay >_<
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Doesn't matter i guess?

PARTS PREFERENCES: Never bought before, so not sure.

OVERCLOCKING: Probably not
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: *Dont even know what that is >_<*

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1200

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:

I looked at http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html and
Radeon HD 6750
GeForce GTS 250

Seem to be the best value for the $$.. Moreso the Geforce. Everyone tells me go geforce anyway....

Looks like I can get a Geforce GTS 250 on ebay for about 55$ new right now.

Also im not sure what a good power supply would be..

I'd like to keep this project under 100$

Anyyyy suggestions? :D 

Thankies!
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April 17, 2012 8:06:27 PM

Your country is important, because prices are different in each country.

You'll need to upgrade your power supply, it would cost you $40-50. So at $100 budget, the best you could get would be:
Gigabyte Radeon HD 6670 1 GB - $69.99
Corsair CX430 - $44.99

Total $114.98. Note that Corsair power supply features mail-in rebate, with which you could get back $20. Also, it's considering you live in US, because the prices would be higher in other countries.
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April 17, 2012 8:58:05 PM

What's the model number on your PSU? you may not need to upgrade if it's actually 300W. I'm pretty sure that pavillion comes with a 250W psu though, which isn't enough (still depends on the exact model though).

Like Sunius said, country is very important.
If you're in the US i'd reccomend this PSU:
Antec Earthwatts 430W
it's cheap, high quality, well reviewed and has plenty of power to run a 6670 (which i would also recommend)

If you want something better than a 6670 grab a 6770. Don't listen to either amd or nvidia fanboys. At this price point AMD is better, at other price points nvidia is better.
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April 17, 2012 9:52:59 PM

Ok the Corsair CMPSU-430CXV2 seems ok, since after the rebate is only like 25$ :D 

I do live in the US, so..

(I thought you meant, country of origin you want the card from, not where i live LOL *Stupid*)

also is there like a super significant difference between DDR5 and DDR3?

Like all the ones you suggested were like 80$ but DDR5, and the ones i looke dup were DDR3, but about 30$ cheaper

Also yeah has 250w.. duno why i was thinking 300. x_x
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April 17, 2012 11:25:43 PM

GDDR5 6670s are quite a bit faster.
The one he suggested was GDDR3 not 5.

If you do mail in rebates this one is a good deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Otherwise the 5670 is the same card (with slightly lower clocks) and the GDDR5 version is better than a GDDR3 6670.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

edit:
and, yeah with the mail in rebate the Corsair psu is a very good deal. I find MIRs a nuisance, but if you don't mind, go for it. Also if you ever want to upgrade the earthwatts will take you farther.

also it's entirely possible that your old psu will run a 6670. It depends on the 12v rail's amps and the quality. It would be a little close for comfort though, so upgrading is likely a good choice.
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April 18, 2012 1:43:55 AM

MSI R6670-MD1GD5 Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP

with

CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

seems like a pretty decent deal.

Those 2 will work together, right?


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Also have you guys done the newegg rebates before?

It says it sends you the rebate in form of pre-paid visa check card o.0

I work at walmart and when i cashier lots of people have problems with those...

do they work ok for you guys?

Thanks
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April 18, 2012 2:03:28 AM

Yes they will work together. I've done newegg rebates but they are manufacturer specific and varies between them. Quickest I have gotten back in two weeks (didn't pay for the faster rebate either) while other I have had to wait two months. You just get them back in the form of a prepaid credit card.

The 6670 doesn't even need a PCI-E connector and if you had a 300W PSU you could have used that. But the corsair is the minimum PSU price for 430W I would recommend if you have to buy an aftermarket one.

I would only consider getting the GDDR5 version of the 6670 although it seems you already chose that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

There is a rather big performance improvement if you can get a 6770, although a bit more it is definitively worth it, also the 430W PSU can handle it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 18, 2012 3:34:54 AM

he only plays very light games so the 6670 is likely more suitable. But yeah, the 6770 is the next step.
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April 18, 2012 4:24:14 AM

*she xD

Yeah goin 100$ just for the vid card is a bit much for me.

Esp. cuz i hear they go out after a few years.
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April 18, 2012 4:54:32 AM

HD 6670 will work very well for you, so will Corsair cx 430. It's a great combo! If you have money, go for GDDR5 memory, however, I linked GDDR3 version because I tried to fit in your $100 budget.. :) 
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April 18, 2012 2:35:15 PM

With computer hardware (and software for that matter) you have a 2-3 year lifetime before it's out of date. 5-10 years before you have to actually stop using it.

edit: lol, i saw that the member website in your profile said "firefly", then i realized it wasn't the TV show... oh well.
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April 18, 2012 3:47:00 PM

Oh, it kind of is.

I named my guild after the show. But noone has seen the show... so I focus more on the bug aspect for the guildies x3


And anyway - I dont care if its neccisarily 'out of date', i mean "Physically stop working" within a year XD


I was on a 800mhz 128mb ram Windows ME computer for 7 years.. and just got off dialup last year... So I'm pretty patient with old technology xD;;;;;;;;;;;;;
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April 18, 2012 4:52:42 PM

*cringes at "128mb", "ME" and "dialup"*

but yeah, the 6670 should last for at least 5 years unless something goes wrong. Just make sure to clean the dust out every year or so. You could also make sure the temps stay below 85Cish, which shouldn't be a problem unless that case has horrible airflow.
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a b U Graphics card
April 18, 2012 4:55:10 PM

get a hd 6770 for 120$ its a gr8 card and i play bf3 ultra @1600*900
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a b U Graphics card
April 18, 2012 5:25:06 PM

^no it can't. At least not online with any decent framerate.
And bf3 is not "light gaming".
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April 18, 2012 10:54:45 PM

Sure it can at about 12 FPS lol.
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April 20, 2012 5:13:44 AM

Ok question... these are the same model, different manufactures..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


MSI vs Sapphire.. the MSI one i 65$ after rebate. the Sapphire one is 65$ straight out.

Is the MSI one better? Is sapphire worse? or? What's the deal here? XD *noob*

Also

This one is the same, 64 after rebate, but scores higher on the videocardbenchmark site

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Is it really better even though the score is lower?


GeForce GTS 450 Score: 1,412 (Doesnt say Sapphire or MSI)
Radeon HD 6670 Score: 1,196
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April 20, 2012 12:17:26 PM

Of those two 6670 the MSI is better. The reason is the memory bandwidth the MSI has GDDR5 memory while the Sapphire only has DDR3.

The 450 does score better in most games. It's AMD equivelent is the 6750 not the 6670. I would spend another $20 though if you can and upgrade to the 6770.
Either of these are a good choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 20, 2012 3:04:33 PM

you ever dealt with rebates before? They take from weeks to months to come and sometimes don't at all.

That gts 450 you linked is underclocked and has a lot of bad reviews (which may or may not mean anything). This is why they are offering such a huge rebate. The rest are 110 which is the price of a 6770, which is better.

Here's a nice deal that avoids rebates: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Same card as the gddr5 6670, >5% worse clock rate (not a big deal).
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April 20, 2012 5:54:01 PM

Yeah don't rely on rebates. My MIR for a video card to EVGA was fine, took about 2-3 months but I did get it.

Then I bought a Corsair SSD and they denied it or claimed to have not got it. I don't know. Not really mad about it, but I mean that was like $30 I was quite hoping for.
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April 20, 2012 7:11:09 PM

Ok that one (XFX HD-677X-ZNLC Radeon HD 6770 ) says "PCI Express 2.1 x16"

is 2.1 any different than PCI Express 2.0? Will it still fit and stuff?

also,
Where does it say which power wattage i need? :x
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April 20, 2012 8:00:19 PM

Nope no difference there was never a 2.0 PCI-E connector on a motherboard it is only on GPU.

This will tell you the wattage you need.
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April 20, 2012 9:04:04 PM

if you look up the TDP of a card (all 6770s are the same), that is how much power you need for the graphics card. You also need to add the TDP of your cpu. Everything else (hard drives, etc) take very little power.

Those two components (cpu, graphics) use the 12v rail on your PSU so your psu should have at least that many watts on the 12v rail.

For example, the label on the cx430 says 28 amps on the 12v rail. Watts are equal to amps times volts so that gives you 28*12 = 336 watts.
The 6670 has a tdp of 66W. The athon II x4 has a 95W tdp. 161W is needed on the 12v rail. To stay safe, a 20% overhead should be observed.

The old PSU in your computer is 250W. It's not very high quality so i'd guess it's 12v rail would be around 150-200W. It might work but an upgrade is recommended.

This is the cheapest you could get while maintaining that 20% overhead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It only saves you $5 though so the cx is a better deal.
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April 21, 2012 5:05:28 AM

yeah, that psu would be a risk. Easy rule of thumb when choosing gpus is "if it's not '80 plus' rated it's not worth buying. It won't last as long and when it goes it could take the whole computer with it.

That 6770 is fine but if you need to save money, save by downgrading this and not the gpu. Of the two andrew mentioned, the earthwatts is better quality but the corsair is better value if you include the rebate. Either will work fine.
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April 21, 2012 6:20:06 AM

Very good choice :) 
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April 21, 2012 6:50:59 AM

Looks great :) 
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April 21, 2012 4:09:49 PM

*like*

That'll be very nice for you.
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April 21, 2012 6:34:00 PM

Ok thanks for all the suggestions guys :D  ^_^
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April 21, 2012 7:01:34 PM

Glad I could help.
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