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June 15, 2012 12:49:47 AM

Hi.
I am looking to build a work/gaming rig and would like to get some input on price and performance as well as possible issues with the selected components.
This is the first machine i put together myself. I've upgraded existing systems before but never built my own.
Any help is greatly appreciated!

Approximate Purchase Date: 1-2 months

Budget Range:
$1000- $1200

System Usage from Most to Least Important:
Architecture work, CAD (Autodesk Revit, Sketchup, Autocad), rendering still images (sometimes animations), Gaming (COD4, COD Modern Warfare, League of Legends, Bioshock2), watching movies

Parts Not Required:
keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, power supply (PC Power&Cooling Silencer 500w), EVGA GTS450, D-Link DWA-552 XtremeN, Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev. 2 (is this still viable?), Monitors: Dell SP2208WFP and Viewsonic VA 1912wb, Hitachi Deskstar 3.5-Inch 2 TB 7200RPM SATA III 6 Gbps.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, Amazon, (Micro Center, Tiger Direct or others if they are much cheaper)

Country:
USA, Nebraska

Parts Preferences:
Full tower, Intel, Nvidia

Overclocking:
Maybe

SLI or Crossfire:
Maybe (trying to leave that open for the future)

Monitor Resolution:
1680x1050 right now but want to upgrade to 1920x1200 in the future

Additional Comments:
I'd like the PC to be moderately silent.
This build is supposed to last the next 3-4 years.
Also i want a better GPU in the future, thats why i am wondering if my PSU will cut it or if i should upgrade right away.



Parts i would like to have in this system. Please be frank and loud if you know something will not work, if you know a cheaper part that is as good/better etc.

CPU:
Core i7 3.4GHz LGA 1155 ($306.99)
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-3770-processor-BX80637...

CPU Fan:
(if the one i have does not work) ZALMAN CNPS12X 120mm ($99.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mother Board:
MSI Z77A-GD65 ($186.99)
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-Z77A-GD65-DDR3-1600-Motherboa...
or
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ($174.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power:
(if the one i have does not work) CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850 V2 850W ($134.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory:
2x G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ($48.99 x 2 = $97.98)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:
Rosewill THOR V2 Gaming ATX Full Tower ($99.99 - current promo)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD:
Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III ($95.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Sound Card:
I have no idea what is good. Suggestions that fit the budget are greatly appreciated.


Total cost if i am getting all the listed parts, including cooler and heat sink = $1022.92


Thank you for your input!
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a c 221 4 Gaming
June 15, 2012 1:37:20 AM

Cooler is overpriced and not a great performer.

$30 - Hyper 212 ... good enough for SB, but with the IB CPU's I'd want more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$50 Hyper 612 or Scythe Mugen 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$85 - Phanteks PH-TC14
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU - ya want the K version since ya getting a cooler and k is needed for overclocking....and yes ya want the i7 for CAD. Get it in the Combo with the MoBo and save $15
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM get it in the matched set .... CAD likes low CAS memory
$98 CAS 9 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$110 CAS 8 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$135 CAS 7 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case - I'd move up to the 500R ..... you'll want the size for cooling .... make sure that it has front USB 3 port
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD - You picked the best there is from performance, longevity and price standpoints

Sound Card - redundant, already on MoBo

850 watter is more than enough for twin 670's ...... nVidia recommends 670 watts but that's not w/ overclocked CPU and GPU's..... and if ya buying a 670, the factory OC'd ones are the way to go

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX - The Asus 670 DCII Cu TOP has no competition

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-r...
EVGA gets 3DMark Score of 8691 outta the box and 9443 OC'd
Idle temp is 29C / load temp is 78C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 43 dBA under load

Asus gets 3DMark Score of 9340 outta the box and 9839 OC'd
Idle temp is 30C / load temp is 72C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 38 dBA under load

That makes the Asus 7% faster outta the box, 6C cooler and almost 1/4 as loud under load (every 3 dBA is a doubling of sound level).
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a b 4 Gaming
June 15, 2012 1:38:06 AM

Drop the board down to an Extreme4 Z77, for what you listed it doesn't seem like you'll be needing the features the Extreme6 or GD65 has. Most people don't even the more higher end enthusiasts. Save money that way.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

On the PSU, save money by going with this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Antec-EarthWatts-EA-650D-Green-BR...
Honestly, With most recent cards and the GTS 450 a solid 650w is more than enough to CF/SLI. The 7870 and GTX 670 both only require a 650w to CF/SLI. So with that said, you save money and still can do what you want with the config.

Just something to mention, you wouldn't notice the difference from a 80+ Bronze Corsair to a 80+ Bronze of another brand honestly. Solid reviews for the EA650.

Sound card is unnecessary, most MB sound is more than enough especially for what you're doing.

That HSF isn't really worth it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Save money and get more than enough performance to overclock a decent amount
. But since you're getting the i7 3770 not the 3770K it's not really going to matter as you can't overclock w/o the K annotation.

With this budget you should be able to get a much better graphics card, but you're going with an i7. Though I've heard, CAD and stuff like that can be run with a i5 3570K smooth and even more with a slight overclock on the the chip. That'd save you quite a bit of money.


If you want a different perspective. Check out my $1100/1200 build here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
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a b 4 Gaming
June 15, 2012 1:38:31 AM

Ok let's start with the cpu , while it is a good choice since it is not the K model it cannot be overclocked.

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
$229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is less expensive and can be overclocked. I didn't see a video card listed and if your going to stay with the GTS 450 then you not going to be getting much of an upgrade in performance even with a new cpu. The main component in gaming is the video card and with your work programs the video card would make the bewst performance increase also. So your going to have to go through each part and try to get a lower cost part so that you can get some budget money for a new video card. The cpu change started things off with a $80 savings.

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+
$34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A $65 savings and will do a good job of coolimg the cpu.

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$134.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A $40 savings and will still give you two slots for SLI if you choose to go that way later.

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
$109.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A $35 savings and it will be enough to power two video cards in SLI if you choose to go with SLI later on.

COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since the case that you had chosen is now $119.99 this mid-tower case will be a $60 savings.

You don't need a sound card the motherboards today have intergrated HD sound and is good enough.
So with these changes there is a $280 savings and here is your $280 video card;

EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1572-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$294.99 and a $15 rebate makes the final price $279,99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This video card will be a drastic performance upgrade over what you now have.
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June 15, 2012 2:26:14 AM

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June 15, 2012 2:32:55 AM

inzone said:
Ok let's start with the cpu , while it is a good choice since it is not the K model it cannot be overclocked.

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
$229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is less expensive and can be overclocked. I didn't see a video card listed and if your going to stay with the GTS 450 then you not going to be getting much of an upgrade in performance even with a new cpu. The main component in gaming is the video card and with your work programs the video card would make the bewst performance increase also. So your going to have to go through each part and try to get a lower cost part so that you can get some budget money for a new video card. The cpu change started things off with a $80 savings.

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+
$34.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A $65 savings and will do a good job of coolimg the cpu.

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$134.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A $40 savings and will still give you two slots for SLI if you choose to go that way later.

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
$109.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A $35 savings and it will be enough to power two video cards in SLI if you choose to go with SLI later on.

COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Since the case that you had chosen is now $119.99 this mid-tower case will be a $60 savings.

You don't need a sound card the motherboards today have intergrated HD sound and is good enough.
So with these changes there is a $280 savings and here is your $280 video card;

EVGA SuperClocked 012-P3-1572-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$294.99 and a $15 rebate makes the final price $279,99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This video card will be a drastic performance upgrade over what you now have.



Thank you much!
That really helped and i am going to use most of your choices.
I will however upgrade the i7 3770 to an i7 3770k.
I'll keep my GPU for now but will keep your recommendation in mind. most prob i'll upgrade that around Christmas.
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June 15, 2012 2:34:19 AM

aznshinobi said:
Drop the board down to an Extreme4 Z77, for what you listed it doesn't seem like you'll be needing the features the Extreme6 or GD65 has. Most people don't even the more higher end enthusiasts. Save money that way.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

On the PSU, save money by going with this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Antec-EarthWatts-EA-650D-Green-BR...
Honestly, With most recent cards and the GTS 450 a solid 650w is more than enough to CF/SLI. The 7870 and GTX 670 both only require a 650w to CF/SLI. So with that said, you save money and still can do what you want with the config.

Just something to mention, you wouldn't notice the difference from a 80+ Bronze Corsair to a 80+ Bronze of another brand honestly. Solid reviews for the EA650.

Sound card is unnecessary, most MB sound is more than enough especially for what you're doing.

That HSF isn't really worth it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Save money and get more than enough performance to overclock a decent amount
. But since you're getting the i7 3770 not the 3770K it's not really going to matter as you can't overclock w/o the K annotation.

With this budget you should be able to get a much better graphics card, but you're going with an i7. Though I've heard, CAD and stuff like that can be run with a i5 3570K smooth and even more with a slight overclock on the the chip. That'd save you quite a bit of money.


If you want a different perspective. Check out my $1100/1200 build here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore



Thank you! Very much appreciate the input!
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June 15, 2012 2:49:22 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
Cooler is overpriced and not a great performer.

$30 - Hyper 212 ... good enough for SB, but with the IB CPU's I'd want more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$50 Hyper 612 or Scythe Mugen 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$85 - Phanteks PH-TC14
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU - ya want the K version since ya getting a cooler and k is needed for overclocking....and yes ya want the i7 for CAD. Get it in the Combo with the MoBo and save $15
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM get it in the matched set .... CAD likes low CAS memory
$98 CAS 9 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$110 CAS 8 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$135 CAS 7 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case - I'd move up to the 500R ..... you'll want the size for cooling .... make sure that it has front USB 3 port
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD - You picked the best there is from performance, longevity and price standpoints

Sound Card - redundant, already on MoBo

850 watter is more than enough for twin 670's ...... nVidia recommends 670 watts but that's not w/ overclocked CPU and GPU's..... and if ya buying a 670, the factory OC'd ones are the way to go

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX - The Asus 670 DCII Cu TOP has no competition

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-r...
EVGA gets 3DMark Score of 8691 outta the box and 9443 OC'd
Idle temp is 29C / load temp is 78C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 43 dBA under load

Asus gets 3DMark Score of 9340 outta the box and 9839 OC'd
Idle temp is 30C / load temp is 72C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 38 dBA under load

That makes the Asus 7% faster outta the box, 6C cooler and almost 1/4 as loud under load (every 3 dBA is a doubling of sound level).



Thank you very much!
I'm taking a lot of your points in consideration as well and am gonna take your advice on the i7 3770k!
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a b 4 Gaming
June 15, 2012 4:39:12 AM

I'm happy we were able to help you make sense of your build and what you will eventually end up with. It's always a good idea to get feedback on your idea's so that mistakes are not made and you can get a build that will help you in both your work and some gaming. There are so many parts to choose from it can be very confusing as to what is the best way to go.
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June 15, 2012 5:21:06 AM

inzone said:
I'm happy we were able to help you make sense of your build and what you will eventually end up with. It's always a good idea to get feedback on your idea's so that mistakes are not made and you can get a build that will help you in both your work and some gaming. There are so many parts to choose from it can be very confusing as to what is the best way to go.


yeah! thanks again! it will take me another month or so, but i'll eventually post my build here once its done!
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January 8, 2013 9:09:57 PM

a couple months later i did finally build my new system :

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing

Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme6 ATX LGA1155

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600

Storage OCZ Vertex 4 128GB 2.5" SSD

Video Card XFX Radeon HD 7870 GHz Black Edition 2GB

Case Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower

Power Supply Corsair 750W ATX12V / EPS12V

Optical Drive Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer


I bought the system without the video card right around black friday, monitoring sales and pcpartpicker like a hawk.
I ended up spending only $760 and bought the graphics card a month later for $230.

Thank you all again for the help given. This system is a great performer, both for work and play.
(i reused my 2 tb hdd, and have windows 7 and only my most important programs on the ssd)

Cheers!
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