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June 15, 2012 4:03:54 AM

Can anyone tell me a relatively cheap gaming desktop that can run BF3 on medium to high settings?

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June 15, 2012 6:05:42 AM

lol not much patience, eh? well you looking for an already built computer, or are you talking about buying parts seperately and putting it together yourself? (which is recommended, but costs more at lower end, definitely cheaper though if you want a mid-higher end comp)
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June 15, 2012 6:31:59 AM

That's a really low budget this is best i can do PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($73.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($20.49 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card ($137.55 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $513.96
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
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June 15, 2012 6:35:03 AM

If you need windows os to were in trouble this is best i can do i can tell you right now your not going to be maxing BF3 out with a 400 or 500 hundred build it's just not possible :(  PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G630 2.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($73.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($20.49 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($90.55 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($45.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $515.94
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
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June 15, 2012 6:57:59 AM

nice job bigcyco. i like it. Id personally say go for the first build with the better cpu and gpu, and if youre short on an OS (thats my problem right now in my build hehe), uhh Id say download Linux /Ubunto with WINE and save up quickly. or find a copy of xp or something around your house if possible and wait a couple weeks.

or even just save, and wait for i3 Ivy bridge and by then youll have a bit more
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June 15, 2012 7:05:49 AM

The pentium G630 is a great budget cpu, but the 6670 makes me cringe. I do understand the budget but I would rather recommend a 7750 because you can stick with a 300w psu.
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June 15, 2012 7:37:26 AM

Yeah the first is a better stronger balanced build the second well would be if OP needs a OS as well so i had to make sacrifices on a budget that was already to little as it is for what he really wants i agree though a 7750 would be better than a 6670 but in all seriousness he be better off and much more happier with a 6850 or a 6870 or even GTX560 imo the 6670 and 7750 are pretty weak GPU i wouldn't want to half to mess with either one.
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June 15, 2012 3:17:43 PM

bigcyco1 said:
That's a really low budget this is best i can do PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M/U3S3 Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($73.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($20.49 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6850 1GB Video Card ($137.55 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $513.96
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)


Thank you. I like this one. But is it possible for me to go with 8Gbs of RAM instead?
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June 15, 2012 3:37:00 PM

TwistedMerc said:
Thank you. I like this one. But is it possible for me to go with 8Gbs of RAM instead?
If you have the extra money sure it is possible.
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June 15, 2012 3:57:37 PM

I'm going to suggest something a little different:

a8-3870K Llano + Gigabyte A75 motherboard: $159.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
unlocked processor and good mobo.

Rosewill Redbone + Rosewill Green 450W PSU: $74.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
good case, reliable PSU - the Rosewill Green PSUs have been reviewed as pretty reliable.

Hyper 212+ Cooler: $29.99 w/ $10 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
yes, it will fit in the case if you remove the side intake shroud.

Pareema 8 GB DDR3-16000 $40.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
reliable so far, even if Pareema is a fairly new company.

Sapphire HD 6670 DDR5: $89.99 w/ $15 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
in hybrid crossfire, this approaches a 6770 in ability for Direct X 11 titles.

Seagate Baracuda 1 TB drive: $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total $495.52
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June 15, 2012 3:59:42 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($47.79 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 ti 1GB Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
HDD: Western Digital WD2500JB (66$ @Amazon)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha Black Steel (39 $ @newegg)
If you could add 30$ more you could get a EVGA 570
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June 15, 2012 4:09:52 PM

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($47.79 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA 570 (260$ @ newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
HDD: Western Digital WD2500JB (66$ @Amazon)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha Black Steel (39 $ @newegg)

Ok i've edit the last build, changed hdd, case, and gpu again, you should be able to max anything out on this build with no problem.

Total is about 560$, you could change the gpu back to a 560 ti and get a 530 build. 560 ti is still a good choice but a 570 is better.
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June 15, 2012 6:24:32 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
I'm going to suggest something a little different:

a8-3870K Llano + Gigabyte A75 motherboard: $159.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
unlocked processor and good mobo.

Rosewill Redbone + Rosewill Green 450W PSU: $74.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
good case, reliable PSU - the Rosewill Green PSUs have been reviewed as pretty reliable.

Hyper 212+ Cooler: $29.99 w/ $10 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
yes, it will fit in the case if you remove the side intake shroud.

Pareema 8 GB DDR3-16000 $40.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
reliable so far, even if Pareema is a fairly new company.

Sapphire HD 6670 DDR5: $89.99 w/ $15 rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
in hybrid crossfire, this approaches a 6770 in ability for Direct X 11 titles.

Seagate Baracuda 1 TB drive: $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total $495.52


I've read that crossfiring an AMD normally leads to a bit of Micro-stuttering. How bad does it get?
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June 15, 2012 8:15:59 PM

TwistedMerc said:
I've read that crossfiring an AMD normally leads to a bit of Micro-stuttering. How bad does it get?



depends on the game, the settings, and how sensitive you are to it. I haven't seen any specific studies of Llano dual-graphics microstutter issues however.

I don't see any in THIS video, which is pretty much the setup I've suggested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obXir_AzWLs

feel free to check out this guy's other videos of games with this setup:

http://www.youtube.com/user/quadcore152
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June 16, 2012 1:05:49 PM

aTastyCookie_84 said:
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($47.79 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA 570 (260$ @ newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
HDD: Western Digital WD2500JB (66$ @Amazon)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha Black Steel (39 $ @newegg)

Ok i've edit the last build, changed hdd, case, and gpu again, you should be able to max anything out on this build with no problem.

Total is about 560$, you could change the gpu back to a 560 ti and get a 530 build. 560 ti is still a good choice but a 570 is better.


Im in the process of buying parts for my first build right now...and seeing this makes me want to go this path. my first budget was in the 500-600 range. but after seeing everything I decided to build my way up to a good comp, purchasing an i5-3570k. please tell me the new ivy bridge is the way to go with the new technology? haha, but at the same time I wanted to secure a good computer for the next couple of years.
either ways, I like this build idea
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June 16, 2012 1:50:49 PM

dextro: with your larger ($800) budget, ivy is the way to go. the Phenom II build is using a chip that came out in late 2009!
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June 16, 2012 2:43:59 PM

thank you for your confirmation :)  after my whole life having outdated computer tech, itll be a great change of pace!
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June 16, 2012 3:32:25 PM

Don't know why people always worry about buying an OS. Just get a "free" *cough* version on t3h interwebz haha
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June 16, 2012 5:39:56 PM

hehe thats what my pops said :o  i was worried about it being buggy or virus-y, but it would definitely cut my budget down! lol this guy thinks outside the computer box
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June 16, 2012 5:54:01 PM

Guys be careful what you talk about so you don't get into trouble on the site.
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June 16, 2012 6:35:07 PM

yeah I know Im not saying Id do that or anything, nor condone it for that matter. thanks for the heads up though appreciate it.
ehh ive been decidin on the asrock z77 extreme4 but see the asus maximus, since youre an owner of one i gotta ask, how is it??
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June 16, 2012 7:05:39 PM

dextronaut said:
yeah I know Im not saying Id do that or anything, nor condone it for that matter. thanks for the heads up though appreciate it.
ehh ive been decidin on the asrock z77 extreme4 but see the asus maximus, since youre an owner of one i gotta ask, how is it??
It's a overclocking beast if your cpu is good :D  but it's also overkill unless you plan on running 3 or more GPU the asrock z77 extreme4 is a awesome mid high end mobo :) 
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June 16, 2012 7:41:25 PM

My mobo is way out your budget and so is this lol this is what i would suggest if you can swing it. Mobo + HDD:$189.98
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

bundled with:

1x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU:Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K $239.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ODD:ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM $16.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model BLS2KIT4G3D1339DS1S00 $42.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


GPU:ASUS HD7850-DC2-2GD5 Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card $259.99

Free DirtShowdown coupon w/purchase, limited offer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... With this build you would still need case of your choice and you'll have a kick ass mid high end gaming beast!I left you the option to overclock comes out to roughly around 825.00 you would need to add an aftermarket cooler if you do ever decide to overclock your CPU the cheapest good overclocking aftermarket cooler is Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo it's around 30-35 bucks depending where you get it. ;)  Good budget build cases COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and Case:NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 16, 2012 8:17:17 PM

thats funny I was just looking at the mobo+HDD combo, have the tab open on my computer right now :p  right now I actually have quite a bunch of newegg combo tabs open trying to decide which ones I should pick.

Currently, I have a raidmax blackstorm case with included 500w psu, an i5-3570k, AND crucial ballistix tactical RAM. almost the same stuff you picked out! cept the ram is 1866 CAS 9, but overclocks well, a bit better ram then you picked out and i got it at frys for 39.99! Im returning the case and psu today though. the i5 is on sale on newegg this weekend for 219.99 so im seeing if frys will give me the difference, which they say they should. its funny our builds ideas are so similiar, Im new to this its my first build so im glad with this confirmation. Im just deciding which combo deals would be best, Im looking at the blackhawk + 750w HIVE psu combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

but might splurge on the THOR case..theres also a mobo+SSD combo which is nice. seeing if I should spend a bit extra on a better case or PSU, theres a couple combo deals which peak my interest.
ALSO, ive been contemplating if the 7850 is the way to go, i can utilize the pci-e 3.0 with it..but my plan is to use the Intel HD 4000 graphics since I have a crappy monitor until I save up for a good gpu (just a week or 2 time) thanks a lot :D  so what do you think?
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June 16, 2012 9:27:47 PM

someone please convince me NOT to buy this off craigslist right now for $500. I want new intel ivy bridge tech...but im short on money and dont wanna spend a grand on a gaming pc..would love that kinda pc more but this just seems so much more worth it..

CPU: AMD 1055T
CPU Cooler: Nzxt Havik
Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair IV Formula
RAM: PNY 8gb 1333
GPU/Video: Radeon 6870
PSU: Antec HCG-520
Case: Corsair 600T with Nzxt 200mm case fans
HDD: Seagate 300GB

Windows 7 Ultimate is being provided as a gift in this package, and upon request, can be provided on a USB Flash drive should you want one to re-format, or upgrade your other computers to Windows 7 using the flash drive!
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June 16, 2012 10:17:55 PM

Mid Tower and Full Tower cases i recommend - Along with PSU ;) 

CPU:Rosewill THOR V2 Gaming ATX Full Tower Computer Case, support up to E-ATX / XL-ATX, come with Four Fans - 1 x Front Red LED 230mm Fan, 1 x Top 230mm Fan, 1 x Side 230mm Fan, 1 x Rear 140mm Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:Antec Twelve Hundred V3 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Unbeatable Gaming Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU:Thermaltake Chaser MK-I (VN300M1W2N) Black SECC ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0, Black Interior and Four Fans-1x 230mm front RED LED fan, 1x 140mm rear fan, 1x 230mm top fan, and 1x 230mm side fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper (SGC-5000-KKN1) Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:NZXT SWITCH 810 Matte Black CA-SW810-M1 Steel / Plastic ATX HYBIRD Full Tower Gaming Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Steel / Plastic Enthusiast ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler:COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:Antec DF-85 Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Case:COOLER MASTER HAF XM RC-922XM-KKN1 Black Mesh, Plastic, Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case:Corsair Carbide Series 400R Graphite grey and black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Gaming Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Upgraded USB 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Case:NZXT Apollo Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:Antec Eleven Hundred Black Super Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and Black Interior
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... PSU .... you need a 750W if you leave your option open to sli down the road, a few to look at
http://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Enthusiast-BRONZE-Certifi... $106.98 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping


SeaSonic M12II 750 SS-750AM 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Semi-modular Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $129.99

XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus Silver 750 Watt Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $137.99
About PSUs

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDFAQs

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2383
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June 16, 2012 11:16:23 PM

Dude....me and you have verrrrry similiar taste! :)  lol its like the twilight zone, almost all the stuff youve recommended has been something ive looked at today or recently and REALLY liked..esp the cases. but sadly, unless I wait or find a really good combo deal, most of those cases are out of my price range. the thor I like a lot, the phantoms most definitely, the antecs look great, and the chaser MK-I is amazing. but theyre all $150ish cases. I was looking more for $100. though there is some good combo deals either with a PSU or the extreme4 mobo, like the thor combo and the chaser combo.

Corsair combo with mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

thor combo with psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

and dammit i closed the chaser MK-I combo so I wouldnt drool over it anymore LOL.

but heres the blackhawk with psu combo, the most affordable with features I atleast like: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
what do ya think of the blackhawk? anyway, Im thinkin maybe get an affordable PSU with the phantom, or get the THOR combo, though its a little outta my price range. The only thing is though, I think that a case is a case, as long as it has its basic features that are good (back management for cable room, fans for cooling, water cooling upgrade, psu bottom mount, etc) but I could put that extra money into better hardware. and thats where it gets me. but the nice cases are so enticing, thinking I can upgrade hardware later.
The blackhawk comes with a 750w psu that 80 plus bronze and semi modular which makes it a fantastic deal. I think the thor also comes with a 750w psu as well, same one actually, which I like because it future proofs me for when i FINALLY get an sli/xfire config...lol just needa get one gpu first though, but after buying this generic 500w psu that came with my case, and deciding to return it, I finally gave in to all the articles I read that its important to buy a nice psu. is the one in these combos decent enough? Id say so, but then again ive just stayed up every night for the past couple months reading on computer tech, going into my first build and being so indecisive with a budget but wanting the best and slowly saving more and more money
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June 16, 2012 11:32:01 PM

Lol... that's funny!Honestly it's up to you i like the Corsair combo with mobo best but the blackhawk combo looks pretty good the PSU i am not sure if it's Rosewill Hive 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sirtec made, 54amps on the 12V (low), partly modular, 3 yr warranty then it is good Rosewill is known for making crappy psu but they have made some really decent ones as well.
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June 22, 2012 1:37:59 AM

really appreciate the recommendations, I am coming back to them and the psu info links I found VERY informative, thanks a lot :D 
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