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October 17, 2012 10:19:50 AM

Hello,
I want to be playing games like Borderlands 2 and Battlefield 3 on the highest settings with no lag. My video card is good enough but I think my CPU is bottlenecking it. Any good processor suggestions, not too dear but I'm willing to go to about £200.

Specs:
CPU: Pentium Dual Core E5200 @2.5GHz LGA 775
Graphics Card: Geforce GTX 560 Ti 2Gb
Ram: Crucial 4Gb DDR2 800MHz
PSU: 700W Alpine quiet range
Motherboard: Not too sure.

I'm ok with replacing my motherboard, as it's quite an old one that doesn't do much. Anyone have any ideas for a good CPU (And motherboard) for around £200-£250 ($322-$400). Try to find the cheapest one that won't bottleneck my graphics card please :) 

-Callam

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October 17, 2012 10:34:04 AM

well, an i3 or an i5 with a socket 1155 motherboard would seem to be the way to go. If you go with the i3, you should be able to stay in budget and upgrade to ddr3 ram as well.
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October 17, 2012 10:38:38 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G840 2.8GHz Dual-Core Processor (£47.73 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-S Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£38.57 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£14.00 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£35.99 @ Novatech)
Total: £136.29
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

A worthy upgrade and a super deal for a heaps more reliable PSU!~
October 17, 2012 10:39:12 AM

mi1ez said:
If you can't stretch to the VB20i then the VB15i looks good!

http://www.scan.co.uk/value-hardware-bundles

Thanks! I'm looking at the VB15i, but will the i5 3450 that comes with it bottleneck my graphics card do you think? Thanks :D 
October 17, 2012 10:46:58 AM

willyroc said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G840 2.8GHz Dual-Core Processor (£47.73 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-S Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£38.57 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory (£14.00 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£35.99 @ Novatech)
Total: £136.29
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)

A worthy upgrade and a super deal for a heaps more reliable PSU!~

Hi! This seems pretty good, but I want to go with Intel's i3, i5 or i7 range :) 
October 17, 2012 10:49:11 AM

robnof said:
well, an i3 or an i5 with a socket 1155 motherboard would seem to be the way to go. If you go with the i3, you should be able to stay in budget and upgrade to ddr3 ram as well.

Thanks! I might go with the i5, because I've heard the 2500k is pretty good for gaming :p 
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October 17, 2012 2:52:00 PM

Op dont be disappointed when your new upgrades cant max the game. a 560ti cant really "max" out bf3. it can come close but no cigar.

also bf3 is a weird game in that it really requires a WHOLE system being good. it needs vram, cpu, and gpu power and what people really normally forget is you need a decent internet connection as well or you might get stutters online.

id recommend a 3570k or equivalent i5. dont get a 2500k as it is a bad idea to invest in old technoloy. couple that with a z77 motherboard and gb ram and your set to go.
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October 17, 2012 3:13:28 PM

You may want to revisit the benchmarks for your games.
For BF3, at least, the graphics card is much more important than the cpu.
Here are two reports that would be worth reading:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Your E5200 is a good chip, at least by the standards of a few years ago.
It has a passmark # of 1508.

Today, the G850 has a # of 2874
The i3-2120 is 4006
You get the idea.

Yes, the 2500K is very good for gaming, particularly when overclocked.
It is strong enough to drive a graphics configuration perhaps 4 times stronger than yours.

Since you are on a budget, I would not overspend on a cpu.
I think a i3-2120 might be about right. The i3-3220 is slightly faster, and the cheaper G850 would do the job. Check the sites you may buy from for prices.

You really do not need a high priced motherboard. Any 1155 based motherboard will do since you will not be overclocking.

If you want a 2500K or 3570K, fine. It will last you longer.
To be able to overclock a "K", you will want a Z77 based motherboard, and that will be a bit more expensive.

If you are looking at the future, consider using a Z77 based motherboard and an i3 now.
That would give you the option of replacing the i3 with an i5 with minimal pain.

You will need ddr3 ram. I would use a 8gb kit of 2 x 4gb. Ram is cheap. 1333 speed is ok, but 1600 sells for about the same. No value in anything faster. And... It seems that DDR2 ram is becoming harder to get. You may well get more for your old ram on ebay than the replacement will cost.

I think you will have funds left over. If you want to play bf3 at highest settings, you will need those funds for a stronger graphics card. When the next gen cards come out, the GTX7xx and amd 8xxx series might be the time to upgrade.
You need to think in terms of a big jump, like to a GTX670 or 7970 class card. Anything less, and you run the risk of being disappointed.
October 17, 2012 4:01:21 PM

geofelt said:
You may want to revisit the benchmarks for your games.
For BF3, at least, the graphics card is much more important than the cpu.
Here are two reports that would be worth reading:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Your E5200 is a good chip, at least by the standards of a few years ago.
It has a passmark # of 1508.

Today, the G850 has a # of 2874
The i3-2120 is 4006
You get the idea.

Yes, the 2500K is very good for gaming, particularly when overclocked.
It is strong enough to drive a graphics configuration perhaps 4 times stronger than yours.

Since you are on a budget, I would not overspend on a cpu.
I think a i3-2120 might be about right. The i3-3220 is slightly faster, and the cheaper G850 would do the job. Check the sites you may buy from for prices.

You really do not need a high priced motherboard. Any 1155 based motherboard will do since you will not be overclocking.

If you want a 2500K or 3570K, fine. It will last you longer.
To be able to overclock a "K", you will want a Z77 based motherboard, and that will be a bit more expensive.

If you are looking at the future, consider using a Z77 based motherboard and an i3 now.
That would give you the option of replacing the i3 with an i5 with minimal pain.

You will need ddr3 ram. I would use a 8gb kit of 2 x 4gb. Ram is cheap. 1333 speed is ok, but 1600 sells for about the same. No value in anything faster. And... It seems that DDR2 ram is becoming harder to get. You may well get more for your old ram on ebay than the replacement will cost.

I think you will have funds left over. If you want to play bf3 at highest settings, you will need those funds for a stronger graphics card. When the next gen cards come out, the GTX7xx and amd 8xxx series might be the time to upgrade.
You need to think in terms of a big jump, like to a GTX670 or 7970 class card. Anything less, and you run the risk of being disappointed.

Thanks! I'm going to get the i3-3220, since I saw a bundle here on eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Dual-Core-i3-3220-3-3GH...
Is it worth getting? :D 
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October 17, 2012 4:22:53 PM

calpol55 said:
Thanks! I'm going to get the i3-3220, since I saw a bundle here on eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Dual-Core-i3-3220-3-3GH...
Is it worth getting? :D 


I am not familiar with values denominated in pounds. But the contents of the bundle looks perfect.
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October 17, 2012 5:50:14 PM

geofelt said:
You may want to revisit the benchmarks for your games.
For BF3, at least, the graphics card is much more important than the cpu.
Here are two reports that would be worth reading:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Your E5200 is a good chip, at least by the standards of a few years ago.
It has a passmark # of 1508.

Today, the G850 has a # of 2874
The i3-2120 is 4006
You get the idea.

Yes, the 2500K is very good for gaming, particularly when overclocked.
It is strong enough to drive a graphics configuration perhaps 4 times stronger than yours.

Since you are on a budget, I would not overspend on a cpu.
I think a i3-2120 might be about right. The i3-3220 is slightly faster, and the cheaper G850 would do the job. Check the sites you may buy from for prices.

You really do not need a high priced motherboard. Any 1155 based motherboard will do since you will not be overclocking.

If you want a 2500K or 3570K, fine. It will last you longer.
To be able to overclock a "K", you will want a Z77 based motherboard, and that will be a bit more expensive.

If you are looking at the future, consider using a Z77 based motherboard and an i3 now.
That would give you the option of replacing the i3 with an i5 with minimal pain.

You will need ddr3 ram. I would use a 8gb kit of 2 x 4gb. Ram is cheap. 1333 speed is ok, but 1600 sells for about the same. No value in anything faster. And... It seems that DDR2 ram is becoming harder to get. You may well get more for your old ram on ebay than the replacement will cost.

I think you will have funds left over. If you want to play bf3 at highest settings, you will need those funds for a stronger graphics card. When the next gen cards come out, the GTX7xx and amd 8xxx series might be the time to upgrade.
You need to think in terms of a big jump, like to a GTX670 or 7970 class card. Anything less, and you run the risk of being disappointed.


With all due respect this post as a whole is bad advice. When talking about single player bf3 you are correct though but multipayer is completely different

Op i cant stress enough ghe need for at least a quad core cpu for BF3 multi player. You will can really bad fps if you dont.
calpol55 said:
Thanks! I'm going to get the i3-3220, since I saw a bundle here on eBay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Dual-Core-i3-3220-3-3GH...
Is it worth getting? :D 


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October 17, 2012 6:33:58 PM

cbrunnem said:
With all due respect this post as a whole is bad advice. When talking about single player bf3 you are correct though but multipayer is completely different


Op i cant stress enough ghe need for at least a quad core cpu for BF3 multi player. You will can really bad fps if you dont.


@ cbrunnem:

The OP is clearly on a budget. Quads are nice, but does it fit the budget?
Also, there is no mention of multiplayer vs single player mode.

I did a brief search for BF3 multiplayer cpu scaling without much success.
Can you provide a link to some sort of multiplayer cpu scaling tests?

With a budget, one can not have everything. A balance is about the best you can do.
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October 17, 2012 7:08:21 PM

geofelt said:
@ cbrunnem:

The OP is clearly on a budget. Quads are nice, but does it fit the budget?
Also, there is no mention of multiplayer vs single player mode.

I did a brief search for BF3 multiplayer cpu scaling without much success.
Can you provide a link to some sort of multiplayer cpu scaling tests?

With a budget, one can not have everything. A balance is about the best you can do.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/339281-28-multiplayer...

this one is a good read
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1654043

what i recommended fits in his budget.
i5 220
board 115ish
ram 45-50
total 380

which is within budget
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October 17, 2012 7:18:39 PM



id recommend a 3570k or equivalent i5. dont get a 2500k as it is a bad idea to invest in old technoloy. couple that with a z77 motherboard and gb ram and your set to go.[/quotemsg said:


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that's not very bright. there is nothing wrong with the 2500k. and as far as being a "bad investment in old technology"............. this socket reaches end of life early/mid next year. so why even buy an 1155 socket ? stop.
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October 17, 2012 9:57:24 PM

swifty_morgan said:


id recommend a 3570k or equivalent i5. dont get a 2500k as it is a bad idea to invest in old technoloy. couple that with a z77 motherboard and gb ram and your set to go.[/msgquoted said:


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that's not very bright. there is nothing wrong with the 2500k. and as far as being a "bad investment in old technology"............. this socket reaches end of life early/mid next year. so why even buy an 1155 socket ? stop.


the next gen is AT LEAST 8 months away from being release in mass quantities. the 2500k is 10 dollars less then the 3570k so why not get the extra performance of the ib cpu?
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October 17, 2012 10:43:09 PM

if you call 1-3% "extra" performance........... and then you have the IB that heats up faster at lower overclock because Intel changed the cooling under the cap............ but I never said anything adversely against either one, I was just showing a point.
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October 18, 2012 3:32:47 AM

swifty_morgan said:
if you call 1-3% "extra" performance........... and then you have the IB that heats up faster at lower overclock because Intel changed the cooling under the cap............ but I never said anything adversely against either one, I was just showing a point.


its more then 1-3% but its basically up to the op
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October 18, 2012 4:51:07 PM

mi1ez said:
I bring up the VB15i again:

http://www.scan.co.uk/value-hardware-bundles

i5 processor, LGA1155 motherboard, 4GB DDR3 RAM: £216
Above but with 8GB RAM (I would recommend): £225


that comes with a crappy motherboard lacking a lot of features. it only has 4 sata connectors and no sata3 connectors(thats a biggie if you have a ssd or will). only 6 usb ports, and only 2 ram slots.

you get what you pay for though. i would recommend AT LEAST the vb20i but their prices seem a bit high
October 18, 2012 5:15:45 PM

cbrunnem said:
that comes with a crappy motherboard lacking a lot of features. it only has 4 sata connectors and no sata3 connectors(thats a biggie if you have a ssd or will). only 6 usb ports, and only 2 ram slots.

you get what you pay for though. i would recommend AT LEAST the vb20i but their prices seem a bit high

Hmm... I would stretch to £225 but I might get an SSD to run Windows off of in the future. Would an SSD still work or would it not be as fast?
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October 18, 2012 6:25:28 PM

calpol55 said:
Hmm... I would stretch to £225 but I might get an SSD to run Windows off of in the future. Would an SSD still work or would it not be as fast?


on a sata2 port a ssd would be about half as fast on paper. sata2 has a speed of 3Gb/s which is 3 Gigabits a second not gigabytes so the max through put of a sata2 port is 384 megabytes a second when the max speed of most good drives are 55-600 megabytes.

here is what i would recommend. they will be in dollars as i dont know a good site for prices in euros.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9iOk
comes in a 380 USD
October 18, 2012 6:50:15 PM

cbrunnem said:
on a sata2 port a ssd would be about half as fast on paper. sata2 has a speed of 3Gb/s which is 3 Gigabits a second not gigabytes so the max through put of a sata2 port is 384 megabytes a second when the max speed of most good drives are 55-600 megabytes.

here is what i would recommend. they will be in dollars as i dont know a good site for prices in euros.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9iOk
comes in a 380 USD

That is pretty good, but I went into the UK version of the website and altogether the price was about £280, not including the RAM. That's a bit too much for me :D 
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October 18, 2012 7:12:29 PM

calpol55 said:
That is pretty good, but I went into the UK version of the website and altogether the price was about £280, not including the RAM. That's a bit too much for me :D 


ahhh we must get better prices here. thats weird my apologies
October 18, 2012 8:29:49 PM

cbrunnem said:
ahhh we must get better prices here. thats weird my apologies

It's ok :p  I've been searching on that website and started to build one that seems pretty good, could you see if it's any good? :D 
http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/kI2n
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October 18, 2012 8:43:36 PM

How about this

4GB Corsair Desktop 1333MHz DDR3 Memory Kit
http://www.cclonline.com/product/35910/CMV4GX3M2A1333C9...

Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/73987/BX80637I53450/CP...

Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/78343/GA-H77M-D3H/Moth...

Totals £230

You don't need a CPU cooler as you wont be overclocking (if you want to OC you need an i5 3570k and a z77 board). The RAM is basic but the better CPU is preferable to wasting cash on highly clocked RAM
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October 19, 2012 12:53:32 AM

wr6133 said:
How about this

4GB Corsair Desktop 1333MHz DDR3 Memory Kit
http://www.cclonline.com/product/35910/CMV4GX3M2A1333C9...

Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/73987/BX80637I53450/CP...

Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/78343/GA-H77M-D3H/Moth...

Totals £230

You don't need a CPU cooler as you wont be overclocking (if you want to OC you need an i5 3570k and a z77 board). The RAM is basic but the better CPU is preferable to wasting cash on highly clocked RAM


this is a very good medium for everything
October 19, 2012 8:25:25 PM

wr6133 said:
How about this

4GB Corsair Desktop 1333MHz DDR3 Memory Kit
http://www.cclonline.com/product/35910/CMV4GX3M2A1333C9...

Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/73987/BX80637I53450/CP...

Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/78343/GA-H77M-D3H/Moth...

Totals £230

You don't need a CPU cooler as you wont be overclocking (if you want to OC you need an i5 3570k and a z77 board). The RAM is basic but the better CPU is preferable to wasting cash on highly clocked RAM

This looks pretty good! Would the motherboard support SLI? I might not get another GTX 560 Ti, but it's good to have the option when I ever have some money to spare :D 
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October 19, 2012 8:36:38 PM

calpol55 said:
This looks pretty good! Would the motherboard support SLI? I might not get another GTX 560 Ti, but it's good to have the option when I ever have some money to spare :D 


http://www.cclonline.com/product/78341/GA-Z77MX-D3H/Mot...

If you want to SLi you need the 2nd PCIe lane to run at X8 like the link above..... and it costs more. The cheaper boards generally run the 2nd one at X4 which is no good for SLi
April 5, 2013 11:10:00 AM

A bit late, but I ended up getting an i5 2500K, which I've overclocked to 4.3GHz with a Z68XP-UD4 motherboard and 8GB XMS33 RAM. I got this as a job lot on eBay for £210 off someone, and the performance increase is amazing! I also get an SLI option with the motherboard too :p  Thanks for all the help guys :D 
!