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Hello, I am currently trying to build a pretty small (physically) desktop PC for a low price. I am making it to have something easier to travel to cabins and such with because my ATX Full Tower Dual 6970 + 1100 watt psu is just way to heavy and big and will not cut it. So here is what I have and I'd like any recommendations but mostly how well do you guys think it will perform.

Games I'd like to play: Skyrim, Fallout 3 and NV, Battlefield 3, Metro 2033, Crysis 2, MW3, COD4, Sims 3, (prob more I'm forgetting)

I have a few HDDs, Windows 7, and I already have an HD 6750 soo. Also monitor is 13?? x 10??
Budget: $210 for remaining parts

CPU: Athlon II x3 455 Rana 80$
PSU: ePOWER EP-500NE-XV 500 Watt 30$
MoBo: Foxconn A76ML-K 45$
Case: APEX PC-389-C 20$
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 4GB DDR3 1600 30$
_______ Total: 205$


What kind of performance would I get out of that build? And if I could change anything for only a couple (literally) dollar price different for a performance increase what would it be?
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  1. first of all i would do this

    1: take out the 6970 from your full tower and put it into your new system. 6750 wont get you medium settings in bf3
    2:get a small case like a antec 302
    3:get a power supply such as the xfx550w. cheap and good
    4:get a i3 2120 and a p8h61-le/csm mobo from asus
    5 your ram should be fine now
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    All the part changes "TheBigTroll" mentioned would easily add $100 to your build.

    CPU - Intel Pentium G640 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core - $78.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116522

    MOBO - ASUS P8H61-M LX PLUS (REV 3.0) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX - $69.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131793

    CASE - Rosewill RANGER-M Dual Fans MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case - $39.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147122


    This will also cost you slightly more money however it has a better upgrade path than your original plan (Athlon X3). The i3-2120 is much better but it also cost $45 more. It's hard to come up with something powerful on this budget but add these parts in with the RAM, its hard to recommend that PSU also. The 6750 doesn't require a PCIe connector does it? You could try something like the Antec VP-430w or something. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045

    If you think you can grab an i3 then do it. The CPU i mentioned is budget but still a good gaming CPU for the money: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-2.html
  3. I have always wondered how the Pentium G640 performs for games? How is it compared to like a Phenom ii x2 or Athlon ii x3 or x4. Also I forgot to mention I don't mind playing most of these games on medium or low settings (especially crysis and bf3) as long as I can have a decently high rez like 1280x1024.
    And how worth it would it be to get an i3 setup instead of an Athlon x3?

    Also thought I would mention the dual 6970s I have in my full tower are almost a foot long, very very hard to fit in a small case, usually impossible.
  4. iyzik said:
    I have always wondered how the Pentium G640 performs for games? How is it compared to like a Phenom ii x2 or Athlon ii x3 or x4. Also I forgot to mention I don't mind playing most of these games on medium or low settings (especially crysis and bf3) as long as I can have a decently high rez like 1280x1024.
    And how worth it would it be to get an i3 setup instead of an Athlon x3?

    Also thought I would mention the dual 6970s I have in my full tower are almost a foot long, very very hard to fit in a small case, usually impossible.


    The 6750 will fit in that case I linked. As far as those CPUs, for gaming heres the heirarchy: i3 > g640 > athlon x3.

    While the athlon does have an extra core, most of the games aren't going to need more than 2 cores. The instructions per clock are greater on the sandy bridge chips than on the athlon chips. Which equates to better performance even at lower clock speeds.

    Heres a link of a G840 vs the Athlon X3 455:
    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/202?vs=405

    This is the i3-2100 vs Athlon X3 455:
    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/202?vs=289

    As you can see the Intel's beat the Athlon handily in almost every test.
  5. stickg1 said:
    The 6750 will fit in that case I linked. As far as those CPUs, for gaming heres the heirarchy: i3 > g640 > athlon x3.

    While the athlon does have an extra core, most of the games aren't going to need more than 2 cores. The instructions per clock are greater on the sandy bridge chips than on the athlon chips. Which equates to better performance even at lower clock speeds.

    Heres a link of a G840 vs the Athlon X3 455:
    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/202?vs=405

    This is the i3-2100 vs Athlon X3 455:
    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/202?vs=289

    As you can see the Intel's beat the Athlon handily in almost every test.



    Ah I see, well that is very interesting, I may be able to save a little more and go with an i3 would that be the best?
    And if so how do you think an i3 + HD 6750 would perform for gaming @ 1280x1024?
  6. medium settings. why not just take one of your 6970s and put it into the mini system?
  7. iyzik said:
    Ah I see, well that is very interesting, I may be able to save a little more and go with an i3 would that be the best?
    And if so how do you think an i3 + HD 6750 would perform for gaming @ 1280x1024?


    Medium settings for sure. On a small resolution like that you might even get to use higher settings.

    The 6970 is very big and you would have to get a bigger case for it, which I think defeats the whole purpose of this build am I correct?
  8. TheBigTroll said:
    medium settings. why not just take one of your 6970s and put it into the mini system?


    They are too big to fit in most small systems.

    How is this:

    Core i3 2100 120$
    Biostar H61MGC 50$
    hec HP585D 585W 26$
    Apex PC-389-C 20$
    Crucial Ballistix 4gb 30$
    Total: 246$

    How would that perform?
  9. medium settings
  10. @stickg1 Yes using one of my 6970s and getting a bigger case would defeat the purpose

    Are we talking medium settings on bf3? Cuz if I can run medium on bf3 at 1280 then I could probably run most of those other games at high or possibly ultra correct??
    (aside from Crysis 2 and Metro 2033 of course)
  11. iyzik said:
    They are too big to fit in most small systems.

    How is this:

    Core i3 2100 120$
    Biostar H61MGC 50$
    hec HP585D 585W 26$
    Apex PC-389-C 20$
    Crucial Ballistix 4gb 30$
    Total: 246$

    How would that perform?


    DO NOT get a Biostar motherboard, I can't stress that enough. I've bought some in the past for builds because they were cheap. They have all stopped working, usually within 2 months. I RMA them to Biostar to get fixed or replaced, then twice they have sent me a replacement that is ALSO defective. Do not buy from them.

    Don't cheap out on the PSU either. Powersupply is the most important part for your PC. Get something like this at the very least:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371045
    This would be better though:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

    That setup will get you medium/high settings on 1280x1024.
  12. this dirt cheap case can fit a 6970 easily

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352009
  13. iyzik said:
    @stickg1 Yes using one of my 6970s and getting a bigger case would defeat the purpose

    Are we talking medium settings on bf3? Cuz if I can run medium on bf3 at 1280 then I could probably run most of those other games at high or possibly ultra correct??
    (aside from Crysis 2 and Metro 2033 of course)


    I don't know about BF3, if you get on a map with 32-64 people it will be kind of slow.
  14. I am fine with low on bf3 as long as I can get consistent 40 fps, is that reasonable?
    And how would performance be on like Fallout or Skyrim?
  15. low settings in bf3 often turn up really weird things like checkerboard patterns. if you get medium settings on bf3, skyrim and fallout shouldnt be a problem
  16. I have a MacBook Pro with a GeForce GT 330M and I play bf3 on low @ 1024x576 at very consistent 40-50 fps.
  17. Fallout = high settings, Skyrim = Medium/high. You should be fine buddy that's going to be a nice little travel box. Maybe consider selling the 6750 and getting the 7770. I got one for my son's computer and it runs all his games on max. (He's 6 though so he isn't exactly playing BF3 or Skyrim)
  18. Yeah I have been considering returning the 6750 or selling it and getting slightly better. I was thinking a 6770 or a 6790, would you recommend a 7770 over those?
    Also I changed the MoBo to ASRock H61-DGS and I will get that PSU you recommended.
  19. a 7770 will get you high settings at that kind of resolution nicely
  20. iyzik said:
    Yeah I have been considering returning the 6750 or selling it and getting slightly better. I was thinking a 6770 or a 6790, would you recommend a 7770 over those?
    Also I changed the MoBo to ASRock H61-DGS and I will get that PSU you recommended.


    Here's what I like about my 7770, its very quiet. The temps are very low, idle 34C full load 54C. This is all while I have it overclocked to 1250/1450 when the stock settings are 1000/1125. It performs very well for the $120 I spent on it. It sips power, I could run two of these cards on a 500w PSU no problem.

    I would definitely recommend the 7770 over a 6770 and 6790. The H61 motherboard are not the best chipset. However for under $100 it's really your only option. You could get a refurbished motherboard from a website like geeks.com. I've done this a few times. I got an ASUS Crosshair V Formula 990FX ($220 board) for $150. I also got an ASUS P8P67-Pro Rev 3 ($150 board) for $75. Both times they came with all the accessories even though they don't guarantee it. I just checked and they don't have any micro ATX socket 1155 board right now. Their stock changes every week though.
  21. 990fx doesnt support intel
  22. TheBigTroll said:
    990fx doesnt support intel

    I know buddy I was using it as an example of how you can get really good boards for a lot less than retail....
  23. Newegg also offers refurbs and open box deals. They're all tested and garaunteed to work. The only downside is that sometimes, and only sometimes you don't get all the accessories. They have a few open box microATX H67 or even better Z68 chipset motherboards. If you have extra SATA cables and whatnot from other builds and another computer you can download the drivers from, you should be good to go. You always get the motherboard and I/O shield but sometimes the little things are absent from what you may get with a full price new in box board.
  24. Ok this is all very helpful. I traded in my HD 6750 for a GTX 550 Ti Superclocked cuz that is really the max I can afford right now.
    So here is revised:

    GPU: GTX 550 Ti Superclocked
    CPU: Core i3 (if I can save enough $) 2100
    MoBo: ASRock H61M-DGS
    PSU: Antec VP-450
    RAM: Crucial Ballistix 4gb 1600
    Case: Rosewill Ranger-M (I love LED fans)

    I am pulling out my 6970s from my main tower right now to test this GTX 550 alongside a Intel Core i7 3770 and 16gb 1600mhz ram
  25. personally, getting the 7770 or the 6850 is a much better buy than a 550tu as the 550ti kinda sucks...
  26. That is what I've heard but I just tested it and WOW much better than I was expecting. My HD 6750 on my same rig could only play Skyrim and Medium with some things dialed down and AA and AF off. I just played Skyrim on Ultra maxed out @ 1920x1080 with the 550 Ti... Was not expecting that at all
  27. i also heard that the 550ti is sometimes unexpected....

    here is amuffin playing bf3 on ultra

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubmn5KL6Trg&feature=plcp

    that is his YT channel
  28. Yeah I just played bf3 on Ultra 1920x1080 with no AA or MSAA at perfectly smooth framerate, I must say I am very impressed for a thirty or forty dollar upgrade from a 6750.
    I am just curious how this card will perform alongside a more low end CPU, not the crazy i7 Quad 3.4(3.9) Ivy and 16gb ram that I have in my main rig.
  29. ^^ Oh forgot to mention that bf3 test was on Kharg Island with 62 people in lobby.
  30. Metro 2033 on High with AA on lowest and AFx4 with DirectX 11 smooth except a tad slow in heavy shooting situations.
  31. if you are playing it with a lower end cpu like a i3, you should epxect a 5fps drop. not that much to be unplayable
  32. certainly not, plus I will be playing at a much lower res and that will more than make up for it.
    out of curiousity, I have a spare cpu cooler laying around and I found a barebones AMD Phenom ii x4 955 for a little less than an i3
    How big of a difference between a Phenom ii x4 955 and an i3 2100 is there?
  33. the i3 outperforms the 955 by a fair amount. the 955 is like a pentiumg630

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-2.html
  34. I wish I could go with a Pentium G640 setup the problem is I cant find any motherboards that are decent enough for that low of a price, plus the AMD mobo I was looking at for Phenom has an IDE 133 which I could use because of all the IDE drives I have.
  35. a pretty good one is the p8h61-le/csm from asus
  36. yeah that one looks pretty good but how do solve the IDE SATA problem, get an adapter? and is it really worth it to use a Pentium instead of a Phenom
  37. i would get the pentium since you are just mostly gaming. if you really need IDE, check out some of asrock's stuff since they sometimes include ide
  38. ok, well this is cheapest mobo I can find with IDE that uses 1155
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131711R
    but that is still about 20$ too much.
    Would an IDE to SATA adapter be reliable/adequate for the main boot disk?
  39. Actually nvm I think this might work;
    ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131711R
    Pentium G630
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116406

    Significantly better than Phenom ii x4 or no?
  40. it is either the same or better. but it is better since it uses about half the power
  41. So final build would be this:

    GPU: GTX 550 Ti
    CPU: Pentium G860
    MoBo: ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM
    Ram: Crucial Ballistix 4gb
    Case: APEX PC-389-C
    PSU: Antec VP-450

    Only one last thing is I have heard the H67 chipset is more designed for Onboard/integrated graphics not PCIe cards. Will that be an issue?
  42. iyzik said:
    So final build would be this:

    GPU: GTX 550 Ti
    CPU: Pentium G860
    MoBo: ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM
    Ram: Crucial Ballistix 4gb
    Case: APEX PC-389-C
    PSU: Antec VP-450

    Only one last thing is I have heard the H67 chipset is more designed for Onboard/integrated graphics not PCIe cards. Will that be an issue?

    Not at all, you disable IGP in BIOS anyway. Atleast I do, it helps you get a more effective overclock. I'm happy with your build and I think you will be too! It's an excellent budget gamer.
  43. Best answer selected by iyzik.
  44. iyzik said:
    Yeah I have been considering returning the 6750 or selling it and getting slightly better. I was thinking a 6770 or a 6790, would you recommend a 7770 over those?
    Also I changed the MoBo to ASRock H61-DGS and I will get that PSU you recommended.


    I've got a macbook pro with the 6770m and it'll run skyrim on ultra smoothly with a small amount of over clocking. I haven't played bf3 on it yet.
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