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June 16, 2012 3:43:39 PM

Hello,

I am currently building my new gaming computer after 5,5 years with the other.

This is my plan :

CPU : i7-3770k

MOBO: I am still very undecided here. My budget is around 200-250$. I'd like something for OC and maybe with wifi. I am not planning having dual GTX soon, but I'd like to keep that an option.

RAM: Again, very hard to decide myself. I'd like to get 16GB, but I have no clue which brand will give me best Performance/Price ratio. Any suggestions?

SDD: Mushkin Enhanced Chronos Deluxe (big special this week for 200$)

Storage drive : already have one

GPU: GTX670 (still not sure which brand to choose, need help!)

For instance, PNY is http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?affiliateid=1158...
at 380$ this week. On the other hand, I don't know PNY at all and say GIGABYTE seems to offer a better cooling solution for the GPU. Any thoughs?

Air cooler: Zalman CNPX 12 (80$)

Power suppply :

Either - XFX 1000W PRO1000W Ltd Black Edition Single Rail 12V 83A 24PIN ATX Full Modular 80PLUS Platinum PSU for 200$

or

- OCZ ZX Series 1000W ATX12V 24PIN Active PFC 80 Plus Gold 83A Power Supply 140MM Fan Black 5 Yr Wrty
125$

- OCZ FATAL1TY 1000W ATX 12V Individually Sleeved Modular Power Supply 140MM Fan 80PLUS Gold
175$

Still undecided for the case.

Thanks for helping me.

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June 16, 2012 4:05:28 PM

Well I didn't have to work hard, just posted this in another thread :) 


Suggest the Assus Z77 Pro or better yet, ya might consider the Sabertooth for the 5 year warranty for $20 more. If it's just "gaming", the i5-3570 should suffice; if ya adding CAD, video editing and other apps that require HT, grab the i7-3770. In either case, you'll want the k version.

These combos will make up for the price difference between the Sabertooth and the Pro version

w/ 3570k save $20 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
w/ 3770k save $15 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

I'd grab the 3570k and put the $140 ya save into a better GFX card. However, if ya looking for big OC's , say above 4.6 Ghz, get a i5-2500k SB CPU

Forget OCZ for the PSU, other than the Z series, thay have yet to make one worth buying, I'd look for a 9.5 to 10.0 performance rated PSU of 750 watts if not overclocking GPU's / CPU ..... 850 watts if ya OC'ing CPU / GPUs.

Recommended Case / PSU Combos:

Antec DF-85 w/ CP-850
$140 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair 500R ($15 MIR) w/ HX850 (10$ off Promo and $10 MIR)
$125 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

8 GB will do just fine for gaming .... Corsair DDR3-1600 CAS 9 low profile; get 2 if ya really want the 16GB
$55 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD - $115 Mushkin Chronos Deluxe (fastest SSD, longest life memory)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4328/mushkin_chronos_d...

HD - $210 2TB Seagate XT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Quote:
For a hard drive, the Barracuda XT series offers the best performance available from a 7200 RPM mechanical storage device.


GFX - Here's the numbers:

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite: Hard Reset, COD-MW2, Far Cry 2, ANNO 1404, Metro 2033, ANNO 2070, BFBC2, BF3, Crysis 2, AvP, Lost Planet 2. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

Card - Cost ( Single / 2-way SLI /CF ) $ / Frame - $ / Frame SLI/CF
GTX 680 - $ 500 ( 989 / 1578 ) $ 0.51 - $ 0.63
680 DCII Cu TOP - $ 520 ( 1077 / NA ) $ 0.48 - ERR
GTX 670 - $ 400 ( 917 / 1539 ) $ 0.44 - $ 0.52
670 DCII Cu TOP - $ 430 ( 999 / 1679 ) $ 0.43 - $ 0.51
7970 - $ 480 ( 872 / NA ) $ 0.55 - ERR
7970 DCII Cu - $ 580 ( 924 / NA ) $ 0.63 - ERR
7950 - $ 400 ( 746 / NA ) $ 0.54 - ERR
7870 - $ 360 ( 701 / NA ) $ 0.51 - ERR
7850 - $ 260 ( 596 / NA ) $ 0.44 - ERR
7770 - $ 150 ( 375 / NA ) $ 0.40 - ERR
7750 - $ 110 ( 291 / NA ) $ 0.38 - ERR

In the table above for example, the Asus 670 Cu DCII TOP costs $430 each and gets 999 fps in single card configuration at a cost of $0.43 per frame and 1679 in SLI at a cost of $0.51 per frame. The AMD cards w/ NA did not complete all games in the test suite. This should be resolved in an upcoming driver fix. The nVidia card w/ NA was not tested in SLI.

Looking at the above, ya have to like the 670 ..... looking at the various offerings, ya have to love the Asus 670 DCII TOP

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-670-sc-r...
EVGA gets 3DMark Score of 8691 outta the box and 9443 OC'd
Idle temp is 29C / load temp is 78C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 43 dBA under load

Asus gets 3DMark Score of 9340 outta the box and 9839 OC'd
Idle temp is 30C / load temp is 72C
Noise is 37 dBA Idle / 38 dBA under load

That makes the Asus OC'd card 7% faster outta the box than the other guy's OC, 6C cooler and almost 1/4 as loud under load (every 3 dBA is a doubling of sound level).

Cooler - This depends on how high ya wanna go and what ya wanna spend.

$30 - Hyper 212 .....I wouldn't use on an overclocked IB CPU tho

$50 - Hyper 612 PWM or Scythe Mugen 3 for $4.2 - 4.4 Ghz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$80 - Phanteks PH-TC-14 $20 off w/ promo code) or $85 Thermaltake Silver Arrow for 4.4 Ghz and up
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11676/cpu-tri-77/Ther...

TIM - Shin Etsu ... all the performance of AS5 but w/o AS5's curing issues
$7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$435 for Sabertooth w/ 3570k
$275 for 500R w/ HX850
$55 for RAM
$325 for SSD/HD
$860 for twin 670 DCII TOP
$87 for Cooler / TIM

$2037
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June 16, 2012 4:18:05 PM

I really appreciate your advices. Additionnal questions time :

1- Corsair DDR3-1600 CAS 9 low profile

I was looking at Ares from G.Skill but with 8gbx2. I'd rather take 8bgx2 in my case. Any thoughts?

2- Whats the main difference between :

Sabertooth, Asus Z77 Pro, Asus Z77 Deluxe

3- About the coolers for CPU, you didn't mention the one from Zalman. Any reason ? Is thermaltake any better? I'm willing to spend around 80-100$ for the CPU cooler. I'd like something not too noisy. It's also a factor to consider with the GTX670.

4- About GTX670, you seemed to suggest ASUS brand. You didn't say much about say PNY or Gigabyte ? Any additionnal comments?

5- I will go for the i7-3770k since I am doing a lot of heavy computions with math programs for instance.

Thank you very much.
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June 16, 2012 4:27:03 PM

Also, the ASUS 670 Cu DCII TOP, I cannot find it for 430$.

Finally, how about my two choices of PSU. Any general advices on how to pick a good PSU.

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June 16, 2012 4:40:07 PM

Check out this Samsung RAM.

If you read the reviews it seems like its great and overclocking and its very low profile which will leave room for whatever cooler you buy.

For a good PSU get something that is 80plus certified. There are various levels of 80 plus certification with the highest being platinum. The higher the certification the more efficient the power supplier is (meaning less of the energy is lost to heat during the conversion).

Good brands are Antec, Corsair, and Seasonic (among others). Basically just look for 80 plus certification and you know you're getting a quality unit.
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June 16, 2012 4:48:02 PM

jsrudd said:
Check out this Samsung RAM.

If you read the reviews it seems like its great and overclocking and its very low profile which will leave room for whatever cooler you buy.

For a good PSU get something that is 80plus certified. There are various levels of 80 plus certification with the highest being platinum. The higher the certification the more efficient the power supplier is (meaning less of the energy is lost to heat during the conversion).

Good brands are Antec, Corsair, and Seasonic (among others). Basically just look for 80 plus certification and you know you're getting a quality unit.


Last time I built a computer, Antec was known for making silent PSU. Is it still the case ?

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June 16, 2012 4:57:20 PM

Antec is currently known for making high quality PSUs.

If you're interested in Silent PSUs check out the SilentPC Review's recommendation
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June 16, 2012 5:02:01 PM

Thank you for the chart. It's very helpful.

My main problems are now :

1- Choice of MOBO
- I am looking at ASUS models since I had a good experience with them before.

2- Choice of CPU cooler for i7-3770K
- I don't know much about CPU coolers actually. It's probably the part I know less about. I really need some insights for that choice.

3- Choice of GTX670 model - but I do really like the Asus model suggested before. It's just really hard to get a proper price for that model.
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June 16, 2012 5:20:47 PM

For the MOBO refer to this chart to compare the features

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

Though it want show up on the chart, the Sabertooth is built for a higher overclock.

Main differences I notice are that the Asus Z77 Pro and Deluxe support faster RAM and have Wifi, the Pro has a PCI port and PS/2 (while the others don't), the Deluxe has more SATA III ports (good for SSDs) and more ethernet ports (2) and bluetooth, the Sabertooth and Deluxe have more USB 3.0 ports and have eSATA ports, the Sabertooth has many more fan connectors and other on motherboard buttons and diodes to help with overclocking/bench testing.

All and all it depends on your needs and all are very good motherboards. If I was buying I would get the Pro, but only because I need a PCI slot for my sound card.

For CPU coolers pretty must everyone gets the Cooler Master 212 because its so cheap, but this Noctura is also very good and quiet.

As far as GPUs, EVGA is a very good brand if you can't find that ASUS.
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June 16, 2012 5:29:37 PM

jsrudd said:
For the MOBO refer to this chart to compare the features

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

Though it want show up on the chart, the Sabertooth is built for a higher overclock.

Main differences I notice are that the Asus Z77 Pro and Deluxe support faster RAM and have Wifi, the Pro has a PCI port and PS/2 (while the others don't), the Deluxe has more SATA III ports (good for SSDs) and more ethernet ports (2) and bluetooth, the Sabertooth and Deluxe have more USB 3.0 ports and have eSATA ports, the Sabertooth has many more fan connectors and other on motherboard buttons and diodes to help with overclocking/bench testing.

All and all it depends on your needs and all are very good motherboards. If I was buying I would get the Pro, but only because I need a PCI slot for my sound card.

For CPU coolers pretty must everyone gets the Cooler Master 212 because its so cheap, but this Noctura is also very good and quiet.


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Thanks for the chart.

I'd probably go for the sabertooth or the pro. Do you think having faster than 1600mhz memory is something that can improve performance ? I know that better timings are usually better than faster memory. Any thoughts?

What about the CPU cooling solution with either boards. Do you know much about that ?


As far as GPUs, EVGA is a very good brand if you can't find that ASUS
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June 16, 2012 6:04:47 PM

Faster memory has a marginal effect on performance. Having RAM that can clock higher though does help for overclocking. Technically, running RAM at faster than 1600mhz will void the warranty on your processor.

CPU cooling is mostly dependent on the cooler. Different boards have different gimmicks, but most of the heavy lifting is done by the CPU cooler itself. The Sabertooth has lots a heatsinks all over the motherboard that is supposed to keep temps lower, but normally things like this don't have a large difference on overclocking unless your at extreme ranges.
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June 16, 2012 6:07:05 PM

jsrudd said:
Faster memory has a marginal effect on performance. Having RAM that can clock higher though does help for overclocking. Technically, running RAM at faster than 1600mhz will void the warranty on your processor.

CPU cooling is mostly dependent on the cooler. Different boards have different gimmicks, but most of the heavy lifting is done by the CPU cooler itself. The Sabertooth has lots a heatsinks all over the motherboard that is supposed to keep temps lower, but normally things like this don't have a large difference on overclocking unless your at extreme ranges.


Thank you very much again. I did my research and I think I am about to buy my CPU cooler aswell. The final step now is to decide which brand of GTX670 I should pick.

Again (but this time it should be my last question!), I would like some thoughts.

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June 16, 2012 6:33:20 PM

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