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June 17, 2012 2:45:33 AM

I already own most periphirals. I already have a case, HD, and memory, along with mouse/keyboard/monitor etc. Basically I'm upgrading.

If I am missing anything that I will need to replace please let me know but here is what I have come up with so far (basically best thing I can get for the money for ~$550

Intel Core i5-3550 Ivy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo) ~209.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-Z77-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard ~ 119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (100314-3L ) ~159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V ~ 89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Truly I only have $550 to work with, but this is only $30 more and looks like it would be a really good build.
I'm planning on running SC2 at high settings 1680x1050 while also streaming through twitch.tv.

Critiques please? If anyone has anything that would be better suited please tell me !!

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June 17, 2012 3:34:17 AM

I'd get the i5-3450 over the i5-3550 for your build, if not even going down to a Sandy Bridge i3. I'd also get a Radeon 7770 instead of a 6870. At stock, a few factory overclocked 7770s are on-par with the 6870 while being much cheaper and using less power. The 7770 is also a superior card for overclocking and if CF is considered in the future, the 7770 is far better.

You could get a cheaper motherboard too, but that could be pushing your luck. You might want to simply downgrade to an i3 and an H77 board since you don't have much at all to gain by having the ability to overclock your CPU in this situation. If you want an i5 anyway, you could still go down to an H77 or maybe a Z75 board to save some money. Even at stock, the i5-3450 is more than enough for a 7770 or 6870 and the Z75 should let you overclock anyway if you want to, although only the K edition i5s can overclock much more than about 25%.
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June 17, 2012 3:43:11 AM

i5-3450 and get a H77, as you are not overclocking.
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June 17, 2012 3:47:33 AM

Patflute said:
i5-3450 and get a H77, as you are not overclocking.


Where did OP say that OP is not overclocking?
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June 17, 2012 3:59:33 AM

Aren't the none k I5's partially "unlocked"? Getting the k version would be worth either way since it has a lot more headroom for only $10, though you'd have to get something like a hyper 212 to cool it later on. If your budget is really tight you could probably get a power supply from another brand that offers the same output but for cheaper.
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June 17, 2012 4:02:37 AM

Phyrexiancure said:
Aren't the none k I5's partially "unlocked"? Getting the k version would be worth either way since it has a lot more headroom for only $10, though you'd have to get something like a hyper 212 to cool it later on. If your budget is really tight you could probably get a power supply from another brand that offers the same output but for cheaper.


The i5-3570K is $50 more expensive than the i5-3450. The non K editions can be overclocked through their partially unlocked multiplier, Turbo manipulation, and the BLCK. These can combine for a 20-30% OC, on average, with 25% being a usually easily obtainable goal and can usually be done on the stock cooler without trouble. Also, please don't advocate skimping on PSU quality. Wattage is not the only measurement of a PSU's quality.
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June 17, 2012 4:16:47 AM

So I found this deal, fasters processor for like $10 cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Also, about overclocking, I've never overclocked before but I am not opposed to it to get the most out of my money. Does the "Turbo Boost" basically mean it is pre-overclocked? Or that you can overclock it to that level
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June 17, 2012 4:19:56 AM

glabius said:
So I found this deal, fasters processor for like $10 cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Also, about overclocking, I've never overclocked before but I am not opposed to it to get the most out of my money. Does the "Turbo Boost" basically mean it is pre-overclocked? Or that you can overclock it to that level


Turbo Boost is dynamic overclocking for the CPU. It increases the frequency of CPU cores that can use a performance boost in performance-hungry situations where they have the thermal headroom to do so. You can manually make it more aggressive to use it to overclock the CPU to higher base and maximum frequencies. That deal is a good deal IMO.
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June 17, 2012 4:35:21 AM

So basically the "turboboost" isn't really overclock, just the clock speed of the processors in heavy CPU tasks?

If overclocking, do I need some sort of cooling system?

Anyways, what I'm looking at the moment now:

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (100314-3L ) ~159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102948

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V ~ 89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 38566&SID=


@ zxzxz why would I get that power supply instead? More watts? Or is that just a better PSU?

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June 17, 2012 4:45:54 AM

glabius said:
So basically the "turboboost" isn't really overclock, just the clock speed of the processors in heavy CPU tasks?

If overclocking, do I need some sort of cooling system?

Anyways, what I'm looking at the moment now:

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (100314-3L ) ~159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102948

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V ~ 89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 38566&SID=


@ zxzxz why would I get that power supply instead? More watts? Or is that just a better PSU?


By default, Turbo Boost, like you said, isn't really overclocking,. However, like I said, it can be used to overclock. It is the most significant way to overclock a non-K edition LGA 1155 i5/i7 (i3s don't have Turbo, so it doesn't work on them).

Also, 7770s such as the following are about on-par with the 6870 despite using far less power, being better overclocking cards, and more quiet.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keep your current PSU. It has more than enough wattage. Heck, you might want to step it down to a 550w or 500w (or even a 400-450w for the 7770) if you find a cheaper one of the same or a similarly good brand. You'd still have more than large enough headroom between your PSU's max wattage and wow much wattage you're actually using.
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June 17, 2012 4:55:50 AM

The 7770s that I recommended are about 20% faster than a reference 7770 and the 7770 has improved with newer drivers. Furthermore, those are synthetic benchmarks and they tend to not accurately show how a game will behave with a certain card.
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June 17, 2012 5:16:33 AM

Again, that is a reference 7770 with an older driver, not one of the highly factory overclocked 7770s that I suggested and especially not with a new driver. If any of you want to refute my claim, then you'll have to at least use relevant benchmarks. Furthermore, that the 7770 needs a higher frequency is only because the 6870 has about twice as many cores as the 7770 has.
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June 17, 2012 5:33:41 AM

Where can I find benchmarks of the one with he new driver?
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June 17, 2012 5:36:46 AM

glabius said:
Where can I find benchmarks of the one with he new driver?


It only came out like two or three weeks ago, so there probably aren't any official benchmarks yet. However, my own experience with it and that of everyone else who I have heard of using it have been very, very positive.
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June 17, 2012 5:39:06 AM

blazorthon said:
Where did OP say that OP is not overclocking?

The fact that you can't overclock a 3550...
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June 17, 2012 5:40:04 AM

Patflute said:
The fact that you can't overclock a 3550...


Completely wrong. You can overclock all i5s and i7s by up to about 25% to 30%. Turbo, the partially unlocked multiplier, and the BLCK can all be used for this. The idea that you need a fully unlocked (IE K edition) i5 or i7 to overclock is a very wrong myth. You only need them to get a very large overclock.
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June 17, 2012 5:42:22 AM

You wouldn't need a aftermarket cpu cooler to turbo boost a few ghz higher...

I don't count turbo boosting as overclocking and you shouldn't either.
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June 17, 2012 5:45:02 AM

Patflute said:
You wouldn't need a aftermarket cpu cooler to turbo boost a few ghz higher...

I don't count turbo boosting as overclocking and you shouldn't either.


Turbo can be used to set the minimum frequency and maximum frequency as over 20% higher than stock. That is overclocking. For example, Tom's used Turbo to overclock an i5-2400 to 3.6GHz minimum and 3.8GHz maximum, depending on how well threaded the workload is. The BLCK can add another ~200MHz to both of those numbers safely for a 3.8GHz to 4GHz overclock. Sure, it still varies between 3.8GHz and 4GHz instead of staying at either frequency, but considering a stating point of 3.1GHz, it is still an overclock. I'd take a nearly 25% overclock that also has a little more room over the nothing that you claim can be done.
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June 17, 2012 5:50:49 AM

Ya technically it's an overclock, but I don't regard it as one.

When I think of overclocking I think of having to get a aftermarket cpu cooler because it'll get too hot.

Can't you turbo with a H77, but not overclock? That's the whole reason I said it.
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June 17, 2012 5:55:19 AM

Patflute said:
Ya technically it's an overclock, but I don't regard it as one.

When I think of overclocking I think of having to get a aftermarket cpu cooler because it'll get too hot.

Can't you turbo with a H77, but not overclock? That's the whole reason I said it.


No, you can't do this with an H77. It is overclocking and H77 does not support overclocking. Tom's covered this too. Besides that, most CPUs don't need an after-market cooler unless you realy push them. For example, the FX stock cooler can take its FX CPUs to 4.5GHz and a little beyond in many cases, even the eight core FXes can do this on stock coolers. That's a fairly extreme overclock, although that cooler can get a little loud when going that far. However, it can handle the heat.

You're arguing semantics and not only that, the wrong side of this semantics argument. I mean no offense by saying that, but that's what you're doing. Overclocking has nothing to do with getting an after-market cooler. That is only necessary when you push a CPU very far and even then, it doesn't need to be pushed very far for it to be overclocked. Even increasing the BLCK from 100MHz to 101MHz is overclocking even though it's not much of an overclock.
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June 17, 2012 10:41:48 AM

blazorthon said:
Keep your current PSU. It has more than enough wattage. Heck, you might want to step it down to a 550w or 500w (or even a 400-450w for the 7770) if you find a cheaper one of the same or a similarly good brand. You'd still have more than large enough headroom between your PSU's max wattage and wow much wattage you're actually using.


Well, the 750w Antec PSU has more watts and is just as reliable. IMO, having a better PSU you can roll over to your next build is useful.
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June 17, 2012 1:30:23 PM

_zxzxzx_ said:
Well, the 750w Antec PSU has more watts and is just as reliable. IMO, having a better PSU you can roll over to your next build is useful.


True, but it's generally best to buy a new PSU with every build and if OP does that, then going for a weaker PSU would mean that it's cheaper. Going too far in the headroom can hurt reliability if the PSU gets underused just as badly as it would if it is overused. Going too far under ~20% usage for most of the time can be detrimental to longevity.
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June 17, 2012 9:05:24 PM

Patflute said:
I think you can turbo boost with a H77...

I'll go make a topic on here and have different opinions on the matter.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/338235-28-turbo-boost... 3 people said you can turbo boost.


Default Turbo works on H77. You can't use it to overclock on an H77 because you can't modify Turbo's settings on an H77. Basically, you'd not be able to overclock the CPU through Turbo on an H77... Default Turbo is just Turbo. With a Z77 (and probably a Z75 and definitely also with a Z68 if you want to go back to it), you can overclock by changing Turbo's settings manually to make it much more aggressive. You can't do that on H77.
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June 17, 2012 9:57:51 PM

Well I said turbo, not advanced turbo...
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June 17, 2012 10:15:27 PM

Patflute said:
Well I said turbo, not advanced turbo...


I didn't mean any offense and still don't, but your post didn't really imply that. It's not called advanced turbo, it's just turbo with the settings changed. It's overclocking with the Turbo settings whereas Turbo, by default, is simply a slightly performance-optimizing feature that doesn't make nearly as much of a difference without the changed settings (which are very easy to change, I might add).

If you don't want to do it, then you can get an H77 board without having problems, just be aware of how that pretty much eliminates overclocking potential.
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June 17, 2012 10:39:29 PM

I know it's not called advanced turbo, I just didn't know the real name and that fit best...

I have an H77 and I will happily have a i5-3450 @3.5ghz :D 
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June 17, 2012 10:42:18 PM

Patflute said:
I know it's not called advanced turbo, I just didn't know the real name and that fit best...

I have an H77 and I will happily have a i5-3450 @3.5ghz :D 


Actually, it probably won't hit past 3.3GHz in most workloads, but if that's enough for your preference, then alright. It shouldn't have any problems.
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