X79 Video Editing $1800

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Approximate Purchase Date: June 29-May 2nd

Budget Range: $1800 after rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Video Editing, Gaming, maybe Hackintosh, web browsing

Parts Not Required: OS, Mouse, Keyboard, Monitor, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon,Microcenter,Newegg,NCIX,Frys,Best Buy

Country: United States

Parts Preferences: by brand or type (e.g.: Intel, Full Tower, Aircooled CPU

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes (in the future)

Monitor Resolution: Monitor 1 1920 x 1080, Monitor 2 1920 x 1080

Additional Comments: A little quiet would be nice, no GTX 480s :). I aim for 60 FPS at 1920 x 1080 resolution high-max.


Microcenter
i7 3930K $538.74
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NCIX
Seagate Barracuda 2TB $118.51
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Amazon
Gigabyte X79-UD3 Motherboard $238.99
Crucial 128GB SSD $122.49
Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 $84.95
Geforce GTX 580: $345.02 (amazon warehouse deals)/(newegg)XFX 7950 $347.48
Cooler Master HAF932 $154.99 (whats up with the price increase)
Corsair 750W PSU $99.92
Sony AD-7280S-0B 24x SATA Internal DVD Drive $21.05
Corsair Vengeance Blue Low Profile 16GB DDR3 $97.99
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$1822.65
 
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for that kinda of build,i would suggest a 3770k,it has enough power and hyper threading to fulfill your demands.
here you go-
Asus 24x dvd-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
nzxt phantom full tower-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146079
samsung f4 2TB drive-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245
gigabyte windforce x3 gtx 670 2GB-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125423
rosewill capstone GOLD 750w-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182073
G.Skill Ares 16GB 1600mhz ram-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231547
Gigabyte Z77x-UD5H-...


LOL

You can get better deals if you order all your components from a single distributor. I saved about 400 bucks on my rig (sig) by buying it all through NCIX. Just call their sales department up and see what they can do. If you live near one of their warehouses they can ship it all their free of charge and you can pick it up.

With that said, here's a few notes:

1. The X79 chips get VERY hot, especially when overclocked. These are 130+ watt beasts and even at 4Ghz temps on air will be dangerous. You should consider getting a liquid cooling solution such as the Corsair H100 or Intel's own cooler.

2. Make sure that your case supports the E-ATX formfactor. The X79 motherboards aren't the full width of E-ATX but they are at least a full inch wider than ATX and this can make them hard/impossible to seat in some cases. The Cooler Master HAF932 should fit it just fine though

3. Make sure that you get a matched quad channel set. A 4 DIMM dual channel set should work but this is not guaranteed.

4. Don't bother with the GTX 580, that's old news. Get a 600 series or 7000 series

5. A 750 watt PSU should be enough but you should check reviews first. HardOCP does a lot of tests on PSUs and their recommendations are very good. The X79 platform is extremely power hungry and requires additional power connections that other boards do not. It's worth looking into this stuff ahead so you can save yourself from getting a headache later

6. This is the most important part so pay attention closely. Have fun!
 
for that kinda of build,i would suggest a 3770k,it has enough power and hyper threading to fulfill your demands.
here you go-
Asus 24x dvd-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
nzxt phantom full tower-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146079
samsung f4 2TB drive-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245
gigabyte windforce x3 gtx 670 2GB-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125423
rosewill capstone GOLD 750w-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182073
G.Skill Ares 16GB 1600mhz ram-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231547
Gigabyte Z77x-UD5H-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545
nzxt 200mm case fan-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835146007
cooler master hyper 612 pwm-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103106
mushkin enhanced chronos 240GB ssd-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226237
intel i7 3770k IB 3.5GHz-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501
scythe slipstream 120mm fan-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185058
total$1683
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case is good and for $95,it's a steal.take a look here-
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=571&Itemid=61&limit=1&limitstart=5
a solid 9.4
gigabyte windforce cooler is very highly rated,that 670 beats a stock 680-
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GeForce_GTX_670_Windforce/33.html
a striking 9.8
750w is enough for 670 SLi and overclocking,that unit is a rebranded superflower(a top rated brand)and it also wins a recommended award from jonnyguru.
16GB will take care of your video editing and other stuff.1.5V,1600mhz,it's perfect for you.
UD5H is a very highly rated board from gigabyte,supports every possible feature you need,from SLi to stable overclocking.
throw that 200mm fan on top of the phantom to improve ventilation.
hyper 612 pwm is one of the best cooler out there,here's a good review-
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-Hyper-612-PWM-CPU-Cooler-Review/1398
wins a gold award.the heatsink is pretty thick which means another fan is push/pull configuration will improve the cooling potential so put that slipstream fan on hyper 612 pwm to improve the cooling even further.
240GB ssd is more than enough for OS and your *main games*.
every component is high quality and compatible.good luck with your build ;)
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If you want to do a Hackintosh, then I'd do some research making sure all of your components will be compatible.

The build looks pretty good. You could probably save a little bit, however. Newegg has a Samsung 2TB HDD for $99.99 right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL061512&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL061512-_-EMC-061512-Latest-_-InternalHardDrives-_-22152245-L0D

I know it's probably irrelavent (especially at a 1.8k build), but Newegg has that DVD drive cheaper: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118067&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL061512&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL061512-_-EMC-061512-Latest-_-CDDVDBurners-_-27118067-L0J

I'd personally go for the 580; it will smoke the 7950 in video editing and still have no problem for your goal in gaming. If you can spend a bit more, try to see if you can get a GTX 670. Or be on the lookout for Newegg's Open Box deals...

For RAM, I'd get two kits of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096 . Slap some heat spreaders on them if you don't like the look of the bare PCB

You could probably save on the case. I know everyone has different tastes, but I'd recommend either the NZXT Phantom for $110 or the Rosewill THOR V2 for $120. But if you like the style of the HAF series, then get the HAF X for the same price as the 932: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119225

Everything else looks good, however. Remember that this is just my opinion, so you don't have to get everything I suggested ;D

- Jake
 


wow,h100 is liquid cooling,in fact a good aircooler beats it almost every aspect from cooling to noise level for less.
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note:the h100 fans are at HIGH.
noise levers-
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note:the h100 fans are at LOW but silver arrow fans are at the same speeds.
you are a veteran,you should know about these things :ange:
 

there's no good reason to go with 580.you tell me why we should than i will tell why we should NOT.
 

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Lol don't bother with the H100. Be a man and go custom water cooling! An XSPC Rasa kit will destroy any air/closed loop setup for $30 more: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_202_972&products_id=30187

- Jake
 

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Did you read my whole post? Probably not.

The 580 is still a great card. Are the better options available? Absolutely. I was just telling OP that a 580 would be a better investment over the 7950 for video editing. But if you actually read my whole post, you would've seen that I suggested OP to get a 670 if possible, or look at Newegg's Open Box deals...

- Jake
 


yes i did read your whole post.if you want the best deal,gtx 480 for $220.it has more raw power than a gtx 580 and can max out almost any game out there.
the reason for 580>7950 for video editing is cuda cores and 6xx cards have significantly more core than 5xx cards.
i own a gtx 580 so let me tell you pros-
fast
overclocks fine(not very well but good)
MSi TF III looks cool
good driver support
cons-
heat(in comparison to newer cards)
noise(when it is pushed to it's limits)
i have a 3GB version but a 1.5GB version will definitely suffer from lack of vram in skyrim and other demanding games.

 

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Yeah the 480 right now is a sweet deal if you get it for $200. OP said he didn't want a 480, so I ruled that out.

I have a 670 FTW and it's awesome. But even though the 6xx cards have significantly more CUDA cores, they are much weaker. It's still an amazing card. Extra VRAM helps too :) Destroys my 6850 lol.

- Jake
 

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Hello, thank you everyone for helping me.

Pinhedd

Are the deals through NCIX better than Amazon (no tax + free shipping) and Newegg Combo deals?
1. May you please provide benchmarks for the Corsair H100 vs Noctua NH-d14? I found these benchmarks for Corsair H100 vs Noctua NH-C14. http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsair-h100-review/7. Based on these benchmarks here http://metku.net/index.html?path=reviews/noctua-c14-d14/index_eng5, the C-14 seems to perform almost exactly like the D-14. And from the H100 vs C-14 benchmarks, the C-14 and H100 perform similar under load.

2. I may switch to NZXT Phantom based on the factor of price, cable management, and recommendation from the others. Thank you for providing me information about the form factor, I didn't know X79s are a full inch wider than a standard ATX.

3. Thanks for the information :)

4. I'm not sure I can squeeze in a 670 just based on my budget.

5. Thanks for recommending HardOCP for me :). I found the link for that PSU. http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/18/antec_earthwatts_750w_psu_review/

On the review, they mention the Transient Load were awful. What is Transient Load?

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hellfire24

Are there benchmarks for 3770k vs 3930k on video editing? If the differences are very minimal, I will take strong consideration to change to a Z77 build.

Thank you for recommending me the NZXT Phantom case.
Glad to see people are in support of Gigabyte motherboards. I am a fan.
Wow! The hyper 612 performs better than the Noctua NH-D14 and for less.

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yougotjaked

Is there a list of compatible hardware? OSx86 Project list seems to be lacking any compatible Z77/X79 motherboards.

Thanks for recommending me the 2TB HDD and the DVD drive.
CUDA cores are render quicker?

Not sure about the XSPC Rasa kit. I've never made a custom liquid cooling solution before.

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A lot of information, very unsure right now.







 


All of the closed loop water coolers will perform more or less the same. Keep in mind that the Sandybridge-E processors contain at least 50% more heat generating components than the regular Sandybridge processors and so you should expect cooling to be even more aggressive.

A transient load is what occurs when an electrical system leaves steady state and enters another state (not necessarily another steady state). Computers experience A LOT of transient loads but most of them are fairly small. Here are some examples:

1. A CMOS logic network switching output states. This happens hundreds of billions of times per second inside your processor and other circuits but each change is rather tiny.

2. A CPU changing its core frequency or voltage

3. A hard drive spinning up or down

4. An optical disk drive spinning up or down

5. A power surge on the AC line

6. A graphics card entering a high performance mode (very similar to #1 and #2)

The PSU is responsible for providing steady voltage and power delivery to all components in a computer. You may have heard terms such as 3.3 volt rail, 5 volt rail, 12 volt rail, etc... In an ideal power supply these values will never change regardless of what happens. However, in reality a greater electrical load demanded by the computer's components results in a lower impedance on the respective power delivery mechanism. Lower impedance means that the resistance shifts internally to the PSU which can result in the rail voltages dropping. This is why your rail voltages usually drop a tiny bit under load. Very good PSUs will maintain steady rail voltages under all sorts of steady loads. However, there also exist very brief periods of unsteady loads such as those that I just described. Whenever an inductive motor spins up there's a sudden current inrush as the motor accelerates and there's a current outrush as it slows down. You might notice this effect on your lights every time you turn on a vacuum cleaner or electric dryer. The exact same thing happens to a PSU, transient loads tug heavily on the rail voltages in both directions. If the rail voltage dips too low, components can become unstable. If it gets pulled too high, components can be damaged.
 

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I'm not sure if X79 is compatible with OSX Lion. But Z77 is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kOHAkJnI8

Yes CUDA cores help with rendering times because it allows the software to render via the GPU versus the CPU, which has far less cores. What software do you use for video editing? I know Sony Vegas and Adobe Premiere Pro (and some plug-ins in After Effects) can utilize CUDA...

If you are concerned about the Rasa kit, check out this link: http://www.overclock.net/t/882408/official-xspc-rasa-750-rs-rx120-240-360-kit-club . You can look around there and see if it looks like something you'd be interested it. Oh and check out our sticky too: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265776-29-read-first-watercooling-sticky

- Jake
 
you don't need watercooling with 1155 cpus as they run well with a good air cooler.
almost all atx boards are same in size where as e-atx are bigger than standard atx boards.
for 3770k vs 3930k-
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/04/23/intel-core-i7-3770k-review/5
there's no good reason to spend $600 for extra heat.
cuda cores helps in rendering and 6xx is the latest series of cards from nvidia with gpu acceleration support.670 is the sweetest spot.you can easily build a system with 670 for $1800(check out my suggested build,it has almost every best possible part for under $1700)
every 1155 socket cpu is compatible with any z77 board.
 

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Pinhedd

Thank you for explaining to me about transient load. From what you explained, transient load seems like a big deal (huge deciding factor for me there), i'm surprised hardOCP gave it a pass.



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yougotjaked

Thanks for the YouTube link of that hackintosh build. I'm concerned if the Geforce GTX 670 is compatible.
I currently use Sony Vegas Pro 11 and if Hacktinosh works, I plan on using Final Cut Pro.

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hellfire24

Thank you for providing me benchmarks for video encoding. It seems like the differences are very minimal.

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With factors of CUDA cores playing a huge role in video editing, benchmarks of 3770k vs 3930k for video editing very minimal, hacktinosh compatible with Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H, and being able to game even better, I am leaning towards to creating a Z77 computer. But before I make my final decision, what are the benefits for having an X79 computer? I thought they were much better for heavy applications like video editing softwares.
 
^yes they are good for professional applications like 3d video editing 24/7,servers and other things that required 12 threads and 64GB ram.but for normal video editing and gaming,you can't beat 1155 for it's price.they(1155) run cooler,overclock better,cheaper than LGA2011 and overall more economical.
 

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It is true that you can get great speeds out of the Ivy Bridge chips for video editing, as those CPUs have the Quick Sync feature. It uses the same principle behind AMD's APP or Nvidia's CUDA technology, offloading the video processing load to the GPU, except that the GPU, in this case, is built into the CPU. For your average armchair video editor, any one of those solutions will give you decent results at much better speeds than software rendering.

If, however, you are concerned about the quality of the decode/encode processes, and thereby the quality of the final product, then it would be best to use a software-based system. If you choose to go software-only, then it certainly makes sense to get the most powerful CPU you can afford. In this case, the i7-3930k would be the best CPU to have. Keep in mind that you can always add an AMD or Nvidia card to your PC to achieve the faster hardware-assisted APP or CUDA renders, but it isn't possible to add Quick Sync later.

If you don't do a serious amount of work on your computer, then the i7-3930k certainly is more than you need. I do the occasional video transcode in Handbrake, but what I really use my i7-3930k the most for is running multiple test environments in virtual machines. It amazes me how fast my huge Ubuntu 12.04 VM boots with 2 cores and 4GB of ram, and how much like a "real computer" it feels, even though it is just a virtual machine. I think this is where the i7-3930k really shines.
 
^i agree that 3930k is one beast but-
in this case,OP wants to build a gaming/video editing pc not a professional based workstation.
no good reason to justify the $600 price tag
significantly hotter than 1155.
over all in a budget friendly gaming/video editing build,3770k would be my choice.
 

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I totally agree. I just wanted to point out exactly what he would be getting into given the choice between the two processor types. It is really nice to have a super-fast computer to sit at and game or convert videos to take with you on your iPod Touch, but it makes no sense to have all that if you aren't fully using it. When it comes to gaming, there is basically no difference between the 3930k and the 3770k. When it comes to converting videos for other devices or editing your own youtube vlog or home movies, then you'll again see no reason to have the 3930k. It really takes a lot of work to get your money's worth out of the 3930k, but it will certainly do you proud when you need to get those huge jobs done.
 

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The 3770k is a quad core isnt it.So the performance cant really be compared id say.. mine runs at 4.8 rock solid @ 60 to 65 on load. sits around 60 playing bf3 with 2x480 rockin out 100 + fps so the 3930k > 3770k period!!In every benchmark in every way!!
 

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this would be true in most cases but if OP's is serious about video editing, a cuda card and 3930k is the way to go. I say serious because the gains you get switching to a high end platform is subpar but it adds up quickly. I just built a X79 system for a friend who produces content for his youtube channel about 2-3 weeks ago. The benefit of choosing LGA 2011 is that the system basically pays its self off with the time saved in rendering and encoding. More time to produce, edit, and publish material on youtube. This all depends on how much OP edits. If you just want to try it out and do some editing on and off, go LGA 1155. It has some nice board features and an adequate amount of cpu processor. Along with the 1155 system, a high end cuda card does wonder with programs written with them in mind....

Tomshardware:

"If you’re using a desktop card like Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 580, even a Phenom II X6 1100T can get this job finished in half the time of two pricey Xeon E5s. I’m no fan of locking out the competition, but when there’s money on the line, professionals working in CS5 simply owe it themselves to use a CUDA-enabled card."

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xeon-e5-2687w-benchmark-review,3149-6.html

some benchmarks will benefit more having a good cuda card. Here premiere pro (my favorite home editing software) benefits from having cuda. Saves me some time as I render those random projects :sol:
 

well, i never said cuda core are not good for video editing and stuff,all i wanna say it that 377k>3930k price to performance ratio.
if you are so much sure on your assumption than show me some benchmarks where you can justify the $600 price tag and other cons.
 
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