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Upgrading from a 6850 to a 6950/6970. Good Idea?

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April 23, 2012 4:52:27 PM

Hi, I've currently got in my rig an XFX HD Radeon 6850 and am wanting to upgrade to one of the bigger and better AMD Cards, but I can't choose which card to take. I've seen the benchmarks for both cards, and while the 6970 obviously surpasses the 6950, I don't know if the price leap is worth. Currently the price leap is around £80 which for me is steep seeing as I'm only 16. These are my specs:

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 1-2 weeks

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: XFX HD Radeon 6850 and XFX Pro Series Core Edition P1-550S-UKB9 550W PSU

OVERCLOCKING: NO

CROSSFIRE: NO

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Currently running with an AMD Phenom 960t Black Edition x 4 3.0GHz


Thanks in advance :)  All I really want to know is if it is worth it to get a 6970 over the 6950. The highest spec game I play is either Crysis 2 or BF3 right now.
a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 4:59:07 PM

Not as much as upgrading to a 7950
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April 23, 2012 5:06:46 PM

I don't want a 7950, I'm just asking if it's worth it to get a 6950 card, or spend more on the 6970 card.
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April 23, 2012 5:12:38 PM

How much money do you want to spend?

IMO not worth upgrading a 68xx to 69xx unless you can sell the 68xx for a good price & get a good price on the 69xx so that the upgrade isn't expensive.

It is not worth it for the full price of the 69xx. IMO upgrade to a 78xx series card.
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a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 5:13:30 PM

It's not going to be a huge increase for your money. You're better off spending money jumping to one of the 7xxx series cards. If you can't afford it now, don't worry. With Nvidia's latest offerings, the 7 series cards will drop in price fairly quickly (and have already started to in fact).

I don't think a 7950 is necessary (or within your budget), but a 7850 is on par with a 6950, costs about the same, but has a bit newer technology:

For example, did you know that the 7850 under load uses about 50 less watts than a 6950?

http://guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7850-and-7870-r...

And did you also know that the 7850 is PCI-Express 3.0 ready vs the PCI-E 2.1 on the 6950?

There's subtle nuances, but they add up. I suggest picking up the 7850.
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April 23, 2012 7:05:51 PM

If I sell both my PVR and Graphics Card I'll have approximately £200-220. I can easily get up to £250 after that, so, would a 7850 be a more wise investment?

Will me processor bottleneck my GPU? It's a Phenom x4 960t Black Edition 3.0ghz
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a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 7:14:39 PM

EDIT: Yes, it will be a wise investment. No, your processor will not bottleneck your GPU. You should be just fine.
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April 23, 2012 7:21:19 PM

Ok, thanks for the help :)  As long as this PVR sells and my Graphics Card, I'll hopefully buy a Sapphire Radeon 7850 :D  Maybe an XFX.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 7:27:10 PM

HD 7850 is a re-patched HD 6970 with lower wattage & heat.
If you can make a one step further and get a HD 7870, this card is almost as powerful as GTX 580 (only 1-3% difference), I see no point on getting the HD 7950.
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a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 7:36:42 PM

7870 is your best bet. 7850 would also be a good upgrade but not as much as 7870.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 7:51:52 PM

@Misterio
Next time do it with a "manner" please
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April 23, 2012 7:56:32 PM

^^ I think he was picking on your claim about the 7850 being a "rebranded" 6970 (which I also believe is incorrect), not your claim about performance.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 8:06:11 PM

Are you trying to cover your ignorance?
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a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 8:52:30 PM

Misterio:

It's not uncommon now that AMD will essentially take a card from an older series, bump it up to a newer series. In this case, ilysaml is referring to the fact that the specifications and performance levels of a 7850 and a 6970 are SO CLOSE together, that it's essentially the same, but sometimes even AMD has literally used the exact same card and just rebranded (not sure if that's the case specifically here).

A previous case of rebranding for example would be the 5750/5770 > 6750/6770
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a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 9:28:25 PM

Even if the statement that a 7850 is a rebranded 6970 is wrong, they're still similar in performance, albeit the 7850 is a lot cheaper and comes with newer technology.

If all you're going to do is argue with someone in the community over a minute detail, then this place probably isn't the best for you. It'd be comparable to being a grammar nazi in a tennage chat room.

Lastly, I'll defend someone who's obviously given back to the community over someone who hasn't. These forums aren't the place to argue over non-important details.

And by the way, a 7850 destroys a 6950.

Reference:

http://guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7850-and-7870-r...
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a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 9:44:08 PM

well, i think 7870 is the best of your upgrade path..

with increase around 80%-100% fps from 6850 in almost all games available today, you'll really fell the difference..

well, here is comparison link..
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/539?vs=548


* i remember when i was upgrade from 9600GT to 5850..that a huuugeee jump. and i'll stick with my old 5850, until 7870 touch around $200..:D 
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a b U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 9:52:20 PM

for the same price of a 6950 you can get a 7850 ($240-260). not only does the 7850's have comparable performance to 6970s, but also more OC headroom. IMO there's really no point in getting a 6950 now.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
April 23, 2012 9:58:54 PM

@borisof007
I know what I said, I wasn't waiting for your speech to clarify my statement, and i aslo said with the exception of "lower heat and wattage" that's the newer technology you're refering to. AMD always modify the new Mid Range Series to replce the old High End Series, well that's not the standard but that's what I've seen with the HD 6970 and HD 7850 the same as what happened with HD 6770/5770, HD 6850 and HD 5850 and so on...

And if you notice, you can CF HD 6770 with HD 5770 and HD 6750 with HD 5750, that was the only exception to CF 2 Diff cards from diff series because they were "re patched"

And if I were you, I wouldn't say "destroy" and I wouldn't even call you "wrong" but the performance between HD 7850 and Hd 6950 is not "day and night" and why didn't you provide some more benches from your reference? or just Crysis 2 is the major determinant and savior ?

EDIT: I didn't mean that it's officially "re-branded" I just used the word to express that there's no major difference in performance.
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April 23, 2012 10:02:17 PM

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If we let people get away with saying whatever they want without providing referents as to where and how they formulated there conclusion/opinion then TH will lose credibility. This site is not about personal opinion it is about FACTS and helping others get them straight.

Nice to hear that from a new fruit here, I will take that into account, moderator.
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April 23, 2012 11:35:18 PM

An awful lot of discussion going on here just because ilysaml made an incorrect/poorly worded claim...

Everyone knows that 78xx is not the same GPU as 69xx (hence, not rebranded), and everyone knows that they have about the same performance... I don't understand the need for a huge discussion about it. Especially since ilysaml already said he just worded his post poorly.
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April 24, 2012 1:03:14 AM

It's not so much the poorly worded claim as it is the constant rebuttals. Misterio was correct in pointing out the confusion Ilysami may have caused due to his post. This tennis match of text IS a touch of overkill though

OP: If you need it now, the 7870 is likely your best bet. Start looking at warranties, some manufacturers cover their cards for two years, others for three. I've had excellent luck with Sapphire in the past but they only cover for two years. My XFX 4850 is still running strong and their 7870 comes with a three year warranty or the $10 more DD version has lifetime coverage.
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April 24, 2012 1:42:52 AM

twofatslugs said:
Hi, I've currently got in my rig an XFX HD Radeon 6850 and am wanting to upgrade to one of the bigger and better AMD Cards, but I can't choose which card to take. I've seen the benchmarks for both cards, and while the 6970 obviously surpasses the 6950, I don't know if the price leap is worth. Currently the price leap is around £80 which for me is steep seeing as I'm only 16. These are my specs:

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 1-2 weeks

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: XFX HD Radeon 6850 and XFX Pro Series Core Edition P1-550S-UKB9 550W PSU

OVERCLOCKING: NO

CROSSFIRE: NO

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Currently running with an AMD Phenom 960t Black Edition x 4 3.0GHz


Thanks in advance :)  All I really want to know is if it is worth it to get a 6970 over the 6950. The highest spec game I play is either Crysis 2 or BF3 right now.

In direct answer to your question, the £80 price leap from 6950 to 6970 is not worth it. I have considered it before & end up getting the 6950 myself. I have the option to unlock shaders but does not have to.

Noting that you are only 16, I would not be carried away to suggest any extreme GPU & would just recommend for ways to optimize your current rig performance with minimum expense.

1. What the monitor resolution you are currently playing at? If you are not playing at 1920x1080 or greater, the 6850 should be fine.
2. You did not put your motherboard specifications. If it supports crossfire, I would suggest that you consider getting another 6850 for the following reasons:
a. It offers the least investment & does not depend on your being able to sell your existing 6850.
b. The performance of 2x6850 is better than a single 6950
c. Your 550W can support 2x6850 (each have only 1xPCIe 6PIN power requirement).
But if your motherboard does not support crossfire, try overclocking your 6850. You could still squeeze some juice into it to meet your gaming need depending on your monitor resolution.


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April 24, 2012 3:44:14 PM

I thank everyone for there replies and the mass amount I've got :D  I've decided to get the 7850 and will be ordering one next week. Can I ask, will my PSU Cope? It's listed on the top post. If I do have the money in the end, I'll buy a 7870.

Thanks again people :) 
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 4:05:29 PM

Don't worry..
Your current psu (XFX Pro Series Core Edition P1-550S-UKB9 550W PSU ) will fit on your rig..



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April 24, 2012 6:01:42 PM

Fantastic. Can't wait to get this 7850 into my machine ;) 
What can I expect to get in BF3 at 1680x1080 with everything on high/ultra? AA on 4 and AF on 16?
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 9:31:11 PM

twofatslugs said:
Fantastic. Can't wait to get this 7850 into my machine ;) 
What can I expect to get in BF3 at 1680x1080 with everything on high/ultra? AA on 4 and AF on 16?


Just set everything @ MAX and MSAA @ 0x and your game will look splendid and your FPS will be incredible. You wouldn't notice 4x AA @ 1680x1050 anyways. See you oin the Battlefield ;) 
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 11:31:07 PM

ilysaml said:
@Misterio
Next time do it with a "manner" please

This is unclear but apparently argumentative. Any time I see an "@someone" in a thread I know it's going downhill.

ilysaml said:
Are you trying to cover your ignorance?

Are you trying to get banned?

ilysaml said:
Nice to hear that from a new fruit here, I will take that into account, moderator.

He's not a moderator, but I am. And I'm wondering why someone with a silver badge isn't posting a link at this point.

I have been called into this thread because of a poster that came late to the discussion, but I find the bickering started long before then and indeed there are worse offenders than recon-UK here.

I could go on. Do I need to fire warning shots here?

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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 11:37:42 PM

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April 24, 2012 11:37:54 PM

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