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April 24, 2012 5:22:03 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 25-45 days

BUDGET RANGE: $200 AR (USD) (I could be convinced to go a little higher, but it then would have to be on amazon)

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, 1080p movies (no 3D), web browsing

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: New build so this is my first GPU/Antec Earthwatts 650D PSU

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: Entire build is located here. Just wanted to point out that I do have a CM 212 aftermarket cooler if that makes a difference in terms of size restrictions for the card.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: 1. amazon.com (no tax) (and if I have to list alternatives) 2. tigerdirect/circuitcity.com (no tax) 3. newegg.com/fry.com/microcenter.com (taxed)

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: California, USA (have Fry's and Microcenter locally)

PARTS PREFERENCES: No idea on ATI vs nVidia. Have a soft spot for EVGA (although they're usually more expensive). I was considering the 7850 but I'm not too sure if that's my best option.

OVERCLOCKING: Yes (but ideally the card should have sort of program that will be automatic/foolproof to do it so I don't break anything)

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe (but probably leaning towards not)

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I would like something with a lifetime warranty (or at least 3 years). Games played will be HoN/DoTA 2, new CounterStrike: Global Offensive (not released), Call of Duty: whatever current version is, MUST HANDLE CRYSIS 2 SO I CAN TELL PEOPLE MY COMPUTER RUNS CRYSIS :D 

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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 5:34:32 AM

Heello there. You could do pretty well with $200. You could either get the Radeon 6870 or the GTX 560 Ti. The cheapest 560 Ti from Amazon was the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti for $230. Over budget, yes, but worth it.

If you are really on a tight budget, then the ASUS Radeon HD 6870 for $180, you could definitely do worse. Actually, the 6870 and 560 Ti are pretty equal in terms of performance, its just that the 560 Ti has a much better over clocking potential and thus you will get more frames. Around 5-10 more frames. For an extra $50 compared to the 6870. Your choice.

Regards
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April 24, 2012 5:45:27 AM

If you are okay with a little older card with better performance, EVGA's GTX480 is close to your $200 mark

NEWEGG

or

AMAZON

This will perform up there with the GTX570 (outstanding performance for the money) so it might be worth a look.

-SP
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April 24, 2012 5:47:28 AM

auntarie said:
For that budget you should get this:
http://www.amazon.com/ENGTX560-DCII-OC-2DI-1GD5/dp/B005...

I'm running a slightly more powerful version of it, so I can guarantee it's awesome :D 

Also, links from your other two preferred sites.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (this one comes with a free T-shirt :D )
And I can't get into tigerdirect for some reason, so sorry :/ 


oddlyinsane said:
Heello there. You could do pretty well with $200. You could either get the Radeon 6870 or the GTX 560 Ti. The cheapest 560 Ti from Amazon was the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti for $230. Over budget, yes, but worth it.

If you are really on a tight budget, then the ASUS Radeon HD 6870 for $180, you could definitely do worse. Actually, the 6870 and 560 Ti are pretty equal in terms of performance, its just that the 560 Ti has a much better over clocking potential and thus you will get more frames. Around 5-10 more frames. For an extra $50 compared to the 6870. Your choice.

Regards


I'm not on a necessarily strict budget, but I would like to keep the overall build of the computer to around $650. If there's a significant difference in a $200 card and a $250 card, then I could be convinced to spend a little more. It's just a little hard for me to figure out if there is such a difference (eg. A 6870 was on sale for $130 last week, but I didn't jump on it...should I have?) based on the games I play and will be playing since benchmarks for those haven't been made (except Crysis which I MAY begin to play).

Also, how did I get over the .co.uk site?!
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April 24, 2012 6:22:04 AM

If you can't go beyond 200$, I highly recommend a 6870, which goes for around 140-160$ currently. You can spend a little more and find a cheap GTX 560 Ti.
Now, if you are willing to spend around 50$ more, I would go with a 7850 hands down. The card's an absolute beast for its price and is very efficient electricity wise.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 6:45:41 AM

The only one thats right in this thread is sharpied panda.gtx 480 all the way its faster then all other cards stated.If you can handle the power consumption and the heat.Otherwize id agree the 7850 is solid also.But for raw performance gtx 480 easily
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 7:16:55 AM

If you don't mind giving up DirectX 11, the 4870x2 is by far the most powerful card you can get for under $200. It perfoms equivalently to a GTX 570/480 (or HD 6970).

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

It takes a strong +12v, but the one on your PSU is 38a, so it'll handle it just fine.

You have to go outside newegg to find new ones, however, here's a few still on Amazon for $175.
http://www.amazon.com/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-PCI-Express/dp...
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April 24, 2012 7:48:44 AM

Hongg said:
If you can't go beyond 200$, I highly recommend a 6870, which goes for around 140-160$ currently. You can spend a little more and find a cheap GTX 560 Ti.
Now, if you are willing to spend around 50$ more, I would go with a 7850 hands down. The card's an absolute beast for its price and is very efficient electricity wise.


Can't remember which brand, but a 6870 was $130 (or was it $120) last week. Granted it wasn't on Amazon so I wasn't really looking that hard at it. Perhaps CF may have been a good idea if it drops down that low? But then I'm reading Tom's and a lot of people are complaining about microstuttering and the like, so I'm not sure if it's a good idea?

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The only one thats right in this thread is sharpied panda.gtx 480 all the way its faster then all other cards stated.If you can handle the power consumption and the heat.Otherwize id agree the 7850 is solid also.But for raw performance gtx 480 easily


A friend was telling me about the 480. I don't mind power consumption (how much does electricity cost, really?) but I am concerned that it's now 2 generations behind (6xx and 5xx). With the newer games coming out, how much is raw power beneficial against optimization of hardware for the newer games?

I'm still looking ath te 7850 really hard, but man, it's $250 at best, $260 typical at Amazon. And then I'd want the twin fan version (eg. Double D XFX) to keep temperature and noise down... That's pushing it for price...lol

quilciri said:
If you don't mind giving up DirectX 11, the 4870x2 is by far the most powerful card you can get for under $200. It perfoms equivalently to a GTX 570/480 (or HD 6970).

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

It takes a strong +12v, but the one on your PSU is 38a, so it'll handle it just fine.

You have to go outside newegg to find new ones, however, here's a few still on Amazon for $175.
http://www.amazon.com/ATI-Radeon-HD-4870-PCI-Express/dp...


You're comfortable recommended SLi with video cards 2 generations old? I know they might have good performance, but wouldn't they get dated really quickly for newer games? And microstuttering would still be an issue, no? And when you say giving up DX11, what *exactly* does that mean? Would the visuals look different in a game (eg. not as sharp)?
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a c 291 U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 8:12:15 AM

Don't get HD 4870x2, it's bad. No directX, microstuttering, etc. I would advice against GTX 480 as well, since it's a very hot and noisy card. Your best bet would be GTX 560 Ti, which is in its own league compared to HD 6870.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 8:19:34 AM

I think people get to caughtup in newness.The GTX 480 supports direct x11 and in the end that is all that matters.I hear people say all the time go for this card because its newer even know its 10-15% slower.All that should matter is performance and the drivers are 100% optimized for them.I wouldnt reccomend a 4870x2 because if a game doesnt support crossfire which many do then your stuck with just a 4870 which cant really keep up anymore.The GTX 480 is the way id go in your situation.It will still run every game maxed pretty much.You get a slight overclock of 800 mhz on one your talking stock gtx 580 for half the price.GTX 480 cant be beat
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April 24, 2012 8:37:49 AM

So if it comes down to my willingness to spend $50 more to get a 7850 (2gb version) vs. a 480 (1gb), then which one?

Nice pics btw!
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 8:39:39 AM

buy gigabyte 7850 OC 2GB VRAM~ :lol: 
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a c 109 U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 8:45:10 AM

480 with WC can kick any 7850's @$$!
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a c 109 U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 8:45:40 AM

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The 480 is 1.5GB
And is able to OC to GTX 580 levels.

When you do switch over to custom, take your H100 and do the gpu mod and cool your 480 with it :) 
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April 24, 2012 8:50:58 AM

I'm only going to be running stock case fans + 1 120mm + 1 200mm exhaust and the 212. Is that sufficient cooling to OC a 480 or 7850?
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April 24, 2012 8:58:36 AM

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The 480 can get to 800mhz without any additional voltage to the core, at this speed you will hang with a stock GTX 580 performance wise.
What case?


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The 480 can get to 800mhz without any additional voltage to the core, at this speed you will hang with a stock GTX 580 performance wise.
What case?


I'll be using the HAF 912.

What are your thoughts for the future? I wouldn't be upgrading the video card for a minimum of two years. How will the 480 hang with more demanding games that will be coming out? (I now know that it seems to be just fine for games out now)

Also, *how* do you OC the card? Is there a third party program I use (heard about the MSI Afterburner) or is thru bios?
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 11:20:07 AM

480? 4870x2? Aren't those too old to get recommendations nowadays? 2 years/2 generations back. Besides, they are a bit too much for single 1920x1080.

To OP, no need to go beyond 6870 or 560 which are great for your 1920x1080 gaming. 560 Ti is a bit stretch but will give you excellent frame rates. But if you are keen on the 7850 its one of the best gpu for the money at $260 today. I say go for it.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 12:28:45 PM

rebelx said:

You're comfortable recommended SLi with video cards 2 generations old? I know they might have good performance, but wouldn't they get dated really quickly for newer games? And microstuttering would still be an issue, no? And when you say giving up DX11, what *exactly* does that mean? Would the visuals look different in a game (eg. not as sharp)?


a 4870x2 is a single card. don't get stuck on the name.

A 4870x2 is 2 4870's on a single card. It's not crossfire. It isn't subject to microstuttering. The HD 6990 is the same thing - it's 2 6970's on a single card. So is Nvidia's 590 (it's two 580's on a single card)

There is no "optimization of hardware for newer games". A GTX 295 will perform similarly to a 480, or a 570 in nearly all situations. A 5970 will age no different than a 7950, both will give the same performance throughout.

Other than being DX 10.1 (most people can't tell the difference unless the same still of a dx10 and dx11 shot are side by side, and sometimes the differences still need to be pointed out, the card is roughly equal to the above cards, as well as a 6970 and 7850.

The most noticeable contribution of DX11 is Depth of field filters - it simulates focus of the human eye by blurring out object that aren't in focus. If you character looks at his watch, things further than 5 feet away get blurry. It's a huge resource hog, and even though my cards are DX11 and can run metro 2033 @1920 with it on, it's not worth losing 10-15 fps just for that.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 12:31:39 PM

It's true - the GTX 480 is an underclocked 580. Same architecture and capabilities. Quite unlike the HD 4870X2 which is a terrible recommendation. The drawbacks far outweigh the discounted price - not so with the GTX 480. No reason to buy a GTX 560/ti if you have the amps on your PSU to run the 480. And it will destroy Crysis 2 with all the eye-candy.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 12:37:12 PM

jessterman21 said:
It's true - the GTX 480 is an underclocked 580. Same architecture and capabilities. Quite unlike the HD 4870X2 which is a terrible recommendation. The drawbacks far outweigh the discounted price - not so with the GTX 480. No reason to buy a GTX 560/ti if you have the amps on your PSU to run the 480. And it will destroy Crysis 2 with all the eye-candy.


What drawbacks? DX10.1? Name 1 thing in DX11 you would miss. Do you love that depth of field, or do you turn it off like most people because it dropped your framerate by 20 in metro 2033?

Not to mention that DX 10.1 has some of the features of dx11 anyway....

the 4870x2 performs exactly the same as a 480, minus dx11. and the 4870x2 is $45 cheaper.

Hell, the power consumption isn't even different. the 480 pulls over 250w at load.

I hope you actually looked at tom's card rankings, because if you think the 4870x2 is a bad idea, you're being a hypocrite by recommending the 480...
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 12:52:38 PM

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4870x2 is a rubbish card in todays market.
Stuttering/bad scaling and some games that will not work in CF.
The 480 is a real card for todays games, unlike the 4870x2.


As opposed to the overheating 480? Really you're just resorting to propaganda at this point, and referring to beta driver issues on the 4870x2 that were fixed a long time ago.

Haven't found any games that don't work with my crossfire'd 6770's (102 steam games, metro 2033, rage, deus ex: HR, stalker series, wow, starcraft 2, etc)

If the 4870x2 is such bad architecture, why do AMD and nvidia keep using it? (6990, 590)

the 4870x2 and a 480 perform exactly the same
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:00:32 PM

http://www.overclock.net/t/719078/gtx480-cause-over-hea...

http://www.overclock.net/t/1057619/gtx-480-overheating-...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=...

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=685...

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=685...

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=194843

shall I go on?

resorting to name calling, are we?

pull your head out of your ass and wipe off the fanboy-ism.


The only real difference between he 2 cards is $45, directx 11 and PhysX. If those two things are worth $45 to the OP, then by all means get teh 480. If you'd rather have the same performance without those things and save $45, get the x2.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:06:21 PM

Dx11 makes a big difference in Crysis 2. In DX9 you can run it on Extreme with an HD 6850, so there wouldn't be any reason to buy a power-hungry dual-GPU that doesn't drop memory clocks at idle (thus reducing heat output).

Have you owned an HD 48xx? That was my biggest problem with it, besides no compatibility with MLAA and DX11; my ASUS HD 4890 idled at 66C. Even if there are heat problems with the GTX 480, it exhausts fully out the back of your case - and you can set a custom fan profile in Precision X or Afterburner.

Also, the HD 48xx architecture has lost a lot of ground in the most recent games (not counting DX11-capability).
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:16:09 PM

The x2 has a full shroud and blows all the air out the back as well.

the 4870x2 is power hungry, but so is the 480.

146/450 idle/load system power for the 480
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,258...

176/444 for the 4870x2
http://techreport.com/articles.x/15293/10

Afaik, crysis and crysis2 dupport dx10.1, though admittedly with most games you can only choose between 9 and 11.

I haven't personally, but a friend just ordered a pair of the refurb'd4870's on newegg (partly out of competition to beat my 6770's for the same price), so I'll update when he gets those in if you like.

Normally i'd have said to avoid refub'd cards like the plague, but they came with a free 1 year warranty, which is better than most new cards. ntm they were $160 ea.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:20:57 PM

Fyi, it still crossfire, even though it's on same card, there are 2 GPUs on it. GTX 590 runs in sli, and HD 6990 runs in crossfire too. So yea, since it's pretty old card, it's subject to micro stuttering.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:21:39 PM

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In dedication to the OP, i will upload a video of my 480 playing crysis 2 maxed out, then let him see for himself.


I'm not sure what you expect to accomplish there.... there's already youtube videos of that.

oh and here's one with the 4870x2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN2ZqpX2WDI
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:29:39 PM

Sunius said:
Fyi, it still crossfire, even though it's on same card, there are 2 GPUs on it. GTX 590 runs in sli, and HD 6990 runs in crossfire too. So yea, since it's pretty old card, it's subject to micro stuttering.


Yes, it is "crossfire" but supposedly the memory bus drops the microstuttering to negligible levels..
http://www.pureoverclock.com/story2165.html
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:31:17 PM

then, by all means post the 47th video of crysis on a 480. For each one you record, I just link to one of an x2 performing just as well.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:31:18 PM

quilciri said:
I'm not sure what you expect to accomplish there.... there's already youtube videos of that.

oh and here's one with the 4870x2...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN2ZqpX2WDI


Yea that crysis 1. 4870x2 cannot max out crysis 2 due to not supporting dx11.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:37:41 PM

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The video contains temperatures aswell as framerate whilst recording.


Well I can't come up with temps, so knock yourself out there. But I can give you framerates without even leaving the site....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,258...

the 4870x2 is actually posting better numbers than the 480 @1920x1080....
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:38:22 PM

Sunius said:
Yea that crysis 1. 4870x2 cannot max out crysis 2 due to not supporting dx11.

+1

Like I said, an HD 6850 can max out Crysis 2 in Dx9.

Even if the HD 4870X2 is as good as you think it is, it's still 3 architecture-generations old. Games made from 2010 and forward won't play as well on it. The GTX 480 is Fermi: now 1 generation old, and still very viable for playing the latest games on max settings.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:40:46 PM

jessterman21 said:
+1

Like I said, an HD 6850 can max out Crysis 2 in Dx9.

Even if the HD 4870X2 is as good as you think it is, it's still 3 architecture-generations old. Games made from 2010 and forward won't play as well on it. The GTX 480 is Fermi: now 1 generation old, and still very viable for playing the latest games on max settings.


click the link in the post immediately above.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:44:15 PM

Lol, if you get numbers significantly different than tom's you've overclocked the card, and possibly the rest of your system.

Course, we should trust your numbers instead of tom's, right?
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:46:18 PM

quilciri said:
Well I can't come up with temps, so knock yourself out there. But I can give you framerates without even leaving the site....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,258...

the 4870x2 is actually posting better numbers than the 480 @1920x1080....

Look at that idle temp though! 68C!

Whatever - it's up to you, rebelx. Both cards are great for playing your specified titles, but Crysis 2 Dx11 Ultra cannot be played on the HD 4870X2. If you just want a card that will play those titles and Crysis 2 on medium/high, then go for an HD 6770 or HD 7750.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:49:02 PM

Oh, it'd also be nice if you used the crysis benchmarking tool at the same settings so the OP actually has something to compare it to, instead of you say running through a section of crysis that has a lower hardware demands for higher fps.
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April 24, 2012 1:51:06 PM

ou ou ou an internet fight !
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:51:40 PM

jessterman21 said:
Look at that idle temp though! 68C!

Whatever - it's up to you, rebelx. Both cards are great for playing your specified titles, but Crysis 2 Dx11 Ultra cannot be played on the HD 4870X2. If you just want a card that will play those titles and Crysis 2 on medium/high, then go for an HD 6770 or HD 7750.


yeah, the 4870x2 idles 10 degress higher than the 480

but at load the 480 hits 97C, while the x2 is only 87C....
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:55:02 PM

And here's an excerpt from the conclusion of that tom's article

Quote:
Then there’s the ugly: power. Nvidia argues that the enthusiast space isn’t as sensitive to figures like power consumption, and that lofty load figures still only translate to a few dollars per year. However, when you have the system power of a single-GPU card outstripping the total power of a faster dual-GPU board (despite their respective max. board TDPs, which we really can’t vouch for), that’s something to think about.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 1:55:40 PM

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The 480 tops out at 85c on the stock cooler.
BTW all reveiw 480's were the unoptimised version of the card.
The retail products were upgraded with a better bios, to sort out noise and temperature.
If you want me to prove that aswell, i can.


sounds a little whiney there.
b...b....but....that was beta drivers! and the sun was in my eyes!

well, it's 97C as reported by tom's review.

guess what? the 4870x2 went through optimizing and updated drivers, too! A large percentage of new cards do.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:04:50 PM



Your "earth-shattering" bench pegged the 480 at 30.18 fps in crysis.....you've proven that it performs the same as a 4870x2. (43 sec mark, in case you missed it.)

if you look close at some of the running benchmarks...he's running the in DX10!

and awesome....at 85C, the 480 has the *same* temp ceiling as the x2. congrats.

I think I've said a few things about how they perform the same before.....
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April 24, 2012 2:07:22 PM

I'll throw my vote at the GTX 480 (but I'm an Nvidia Fanboy so my opinion is a bit biased :p ). Very solid card for the price, if you don't mind the heat/power consumption.

As for old cards, I wouldn't worry about it too much. I'm sitting on a pair of 9800GT's and they are still chugging along as strong as ever. Of course I don't get any DX11 eye-candy sadly.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:09:45 PM

I've nothing against the 480. I've already said if dx11 and physx is worth $45 to you, get the 480. Recon seem to have taken offense that the 4870x2 performs the same as a 480 otherwise.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:20:15 PM

Maybe you should stop posting videos that prove my point.

Btw, how about you run the crysis bench tool instead of whatever custom section you want.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:21:53 PM

are you senile? You linked videos just above. they agreed with me.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:24:26 PM

Both the 480 and the 4870x2 are goodies but oldies. Time to move on, people... :) 
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:25:08 PM

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Those videos are not crysis2... unless you are blind.


Neither is the tom's benchmark I linked, unless you are.

Both the video and the tom's review used the same benchmarking tool; both in directx 10. While the video was at 8xaa and tom's was at 4x, the 4870 posted 33 fps, i'd imagin 8x would be around 30 for the x2 as well.

That's a pretty direct comparison right there.....
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:32:44 PM

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So... you linked to a game the OP does not play, therefor you were off topic.
What a derp you really are.
I will still post my video, as that is on topic, and it is what the OP wants to know, "i need to max crysis2".


Now that you've been proven very, very wrong, you change the subject.

...and LOL, you should know a thing or two about the games you bench, genius. Crysis 2 isn't as hard on your system as crysis 1. It's better optimized. Any card posts higher numbers in crysis 2 than in crysis 1.

Like the article says, there's no challenge in running crysis 2 above 60 fps.

http://www.digfest.com/2011/03/crysis-1-vs-crysis-2-pc-...

I'll even save you time and quote it

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The whole point of Crysis 1 on the PC was to capitalize on the graphics technology. That’s why you won’t be able to see Crysis 1 on any console unless it’s powerful enough to handle a big world with all those filters turned on. Even my 6950 modified to a 6970 can’t keep a constant 40fps without dropping below th 30 mark. There is no other game like it. In the next few years people will still go back to Crysis 1 to test out their latest graphics card performance, but not Crysis 2. Crysis 2 is already optimized, and runs at 60fps at max settings so there is no sense of challenge.


So, in conclusion, if the 4870x2 posts the same numbers in crysis as the 480, It'll post the same numbers as the 480 in crysis 2
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:37:44 PM

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No DX11 and no high res textures...
You still correct?
That is not maxed.
Maxed is DX11 with the added textures.


jesus, can't you even read. the only difference between the bench video you yourself linked and the tom's review bench was 4x aa vs. 8x aa. The video you linked was using dx10, NOT 11.

Besides, the 480 is already bench by tom's in that same review. I don't know how much more of a direct comparison you can make.
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a b U Graphics card
April 24, 2012 2:39:22 PM

Hey fellas,

Talking about you two, recon-uk and quilciri.

Both of you have a right to post your opinions, so do it with showing respect to each other and to the other users in the forum, without any name calling.

Most people never get into fighting on Tom's. Try it!

Good luck!

Nikorr
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