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Should i return my radeon 7870?

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April 25, 2012 4:06:24 AM

So i puchased a radeon 7870 for $360 and it is going to arrive soon but i noticed today that the price radeon 7950 cards have been droped to $399 ~ $410.

Is there a significant performance difference between 7870 and 7950?

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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 4:16:15 AM

If your playing on 3 monitors deffinelty get the 7950 if not?well get the 7950 anyways they are faster then the gtx 680 overclocked plus you get 1 gb more of vram.no brainer
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April 25, 2012 4:25:14 AM

i only have 1 monitor and.. does 7950 really perform better than gtx 680??
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April 25, 2012 4:33:03 AM

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If your playing on 3 monitors deffinelty get the 7950 if not?well get the 7950 anyways they are faster then the gtx 680 overclocked plus you get 1 gb more of vram.no brainer


How? The 7950 is slower than a GTX 680 in every performance test, in fact the 7970 is generally slower than the GTX 680.







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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 4:38:49 AM

I said a 7950 overclcked will beat a gtx 680 my 7950 overclcoked to 1200 mhz beats a gtx 680 stock in every instance
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a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2012 4:42:03 AM

Yes, and if you overclock the GTX 680, it will dust the 7950 again. It works both ways.
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 4:49:55 AM

sk1939 said:
Yes, and if you overclock the GTX 680, it will dust the 7950 again. It works both ways.


Problem is both overclocked at max the 7950 is still within 10% compared to the lead the gtx 680 has over it stock for stock a gtx 680 is a waste of money and from my understanding 680's overclock like crap anyways.noway is a 680 $100 more card then a 7950 not even close performance wize
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April 25, 2012 4:51:48 AM

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Problem is both overclocked at max the 7950 is still within 10% compared to the lead the gtx 680 has over it stock for stock a gtx 680 is a waste of money and from my understanding 680's overclock like crap anyways.noway is a 680 $100 more card then a 7950 not even close performance wize


Perhaps, although I haven't heard that. I (like quite a few people) don't overclock, it's just not worth the risk to me.
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 4:52:52 AM

gtx 680



overclocked 7950 and this is not even max overclock on it this is gaming overclock
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April 25, 2012 4:53:05 AM

sk1939 said:
Yes, and if you overclock the GTX 680, it will dust the 7950 again. It works both ways.


not exactly, the 7970 has higher gains when overclocked then the 680. also no one seems to ask which card is faster per clock. like if both where clocked to 1006 which one would win.
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 4:54:04 AM

Its not as risky as you think especially if you do not have to mess with voltages
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a b U Graphics card
April 25, 2012 4:54:23 AM

Interesting. I gave thought to overclocking my 6870 but deemed the risk too high (bricked an 8500GT trying it).
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 4:58:21 AM

I never much overclocked gpu's either before i got the 7950 this thing is way to easy.You should get atleast 250 mhz without touching voltage.i get 375 mhz with mine with no voltage tweak.stock 800 mhz runs at 1175 mhz with no voltage tweak
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April 25, 2012 5:01:32 AM




BF3 is a horrible example because you'll notice that with FXAA turned off and MSAA turned on the performance cap closes tremendously. Very few manufacturers ship the 7970 with its extremely conservative reference clocks, most are 1Ghz or higher and standard overclocks are typically upwards of 1100 without any noticeable increase in power consumption. When the 7970 is clocked up it scales very well and easily matches or overtakes the 680

Most benchmarks were also done with the 12.2 drivers that were available on release. The 12.3 are much improved and the 12.4 drivers are showing even more gains. AMD dropped the ball by not having proper driver support out of the box
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April 25, 2012 5:03:25 AM

sk1939 said:
Interesting. I gave thought to overclocking my 6870 but deemed the risk too high (bricked an 8500GT trying it).


No real gains on a 6870 even with voltage increases
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April 25, 2012 5:07:22 AM

some cards perform better in specific banchmarks, and overall gpu benchmarks are somewhat unrealistic. Most games wont run the same way benchmarks do. so, video game benchmarks IMO seem to be much more realistic for identifying the true winner between two gpus.

Relating to the question asked,

The 7870 is a solid card, is it really worth the time and effort to trade in a card for a small performance gain and a little more money out of your pocket? Like another person said, its only really worth it if youre gonna be running 3 monitors. The choice is yours.

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April 25, 2012 5:28:02 AM

MY 680 clocks to 1200 MHZ easy and I get a score of over 10,000 on 3dmark11. The person above was kind enough to post heaven results.

If you want to say a 7950 beats a 680 post your benchmark results from heaven and mark11. If you don't I won't take you for a grain of salt.

mikem your pic looks like vanilla ice.

ICE ICE BABY!

EDIT: By the way I like that song, think its hilarious! :hello: 
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April 25, 2012 5:30:21 AM

stevethejew said:
some cards perform better in specific banchmarks, and overall gpu benchmarks are somewhat unrealistic. Most games wont run the same way benchmarks do. so, video game benchmarks IMO seem to be much more realistic for identifying the true winner between two gpus.

Relating to the question asked,

The 7870 is a solid card, is it really worth the time and effort to trade in a card for a small performance gain and a little more money out of your pocket? Like another person said, its only really worth it if youre gonna be running 3 monitors. The choice is yours.


Run multiple benchmarks that test different things, cinebench, 3dmark11, heaven, heck even use fraps to do benchmark tests in multiple games. These tests will give you a definitive answer.
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April 25, 2012 5:31:19 AM

spentshells said:
No real gains on a 6870 even with voltage increases


Figures. I'm not updating any time soon either, so it will hopefully be good for another couple years.'

6870 by comparison for those who care (about 10% slower than a 7870).


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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 5:43:15 AM

MANOFKRYPTONAK said:
MY 680 clocks to 1200 MHZ easy and I get a score of over 10,000 on 3dmark11. The person above was kind enough to post heaven results.

If you want to say a 7950 beats a 680 post your benchmark results from heaven and mark11. If you don't I won't take you for a grain of salt.

mikem your pic looks like vanilla ice.

ICE ICE BABY!

EDIT: By the way I like that song, think its hilarious! :hello: 

HAHA good one.We really are splitting hairs here but where hairs are not being split is price/performance and imo 7950 wins in this aspect.
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April 25, 2012 5:54:05 AM

YOU MUST HAVE THE BEST 7950 ever!
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 6:00:29 AM

I just posted my link to my 7950 beating a gtx 680 easily in a heaven benchmark what more do you want?If you want to know my 7950 overclocks to 1280/6700 stable on air and easily beat my 7970 at 1225/6700.I have both cards im not just shooting my mouth off ive done my comparisons.I used them in crossfire for a few weeks also.Nothin epic fail about it the numbers i posted dont lie.If you really think a gtx 680 and a 7970 are worth $100 more then you havent a clue what your talking about.Yes the 7970 and gtx 680 is faster but clock for clock by 3-5% which is not worth $60-$100.You can throw your money away thats your choice:)  before you call me an epic fail you should look closer at the bench i posted.thanks
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 6:06:34 AM

Oh and so you know i sold the 7970 since i overpaid for it and am getting another his IceQ 7950 to go with it $399 :) 
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 6:12:56 AM

come back i was just starting to have fun:)  Now before you call someone a fail do your research and the fact that i had both cards and can do comparisons i do not need a site to tell me otherwize.I never said a 7950 was the fastest i said a 7950 can easily be oerclocked to beat a stock gtx 680.at 1100 mhz it would be neck and neck with a stock 680.The 1100 mhz every last one of the 7950's should beable to reach easily so its not even a luck of the draw.these things overclock better then any card ive ever owned by far.looking at the site you linked with top 10 my 2189 with a 7950 would have placed 8th on that list.who is the epic fail now?:) 
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April 25, 2012 6:37:26 AM

In the link it shows 680s beating the 7950 s by more than 20% and the 7970s by right around 40 to 50% not 10% ( I thought you did your homework?). Also I am not saying you are a fail, just your incorrect information. Oh and those scores in the link have higher settings then your benchmark results you have show.

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April 25, 2012 6:47:58 AM

So the cheapest I could find a 7950 at on newegg is $380. So lets go with a modest 7970 score from the link I posted, say thirty percent over the top 7950 score.

$38 is 10% of $380
$38 X 3 = $114
The cheapest 7970 I could find is $450 after MIR
$380 ( the price of the 7950) + $114 (30% of the cost of the 7950 because a 7970 beats it by 30%)= $494
A 30% better 7970= $450

I think this is homework where I showed my work and have reliable resources. You were mistaken happens to me too!
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April 25, 2012 6:51:31 AM

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come back i was just starting to have fun:)  Now before you call someone a fail do your research these things overclock better then any card ive ever owned by far.looking at the site you linked with top 10 my 2189 with a 7950 would have placed 8th on that list.who is the epic fail now?:) 


Did you read the forum THEY ARE USING HIGHER SETTINGS THEN YOU.
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 6:54:42 AM

dude seriously?look at my benchmarks exact same settings i beat the 680 by 6 fps.Why are you discounting my benches?I would bet all those people on that list are under water to.I am going to say this for the last time i had a 7950 and a 7970 and they offered within 3 fps the same performance at every clock.There is no misinformation here noway will a gtx 680 overclocked beat a 7950 overclocked by 20% not even close.So what your telling me is a gtx 680 at 1200 mhz and a 7950 at 1200 mhz the gtx will beat it by 20%?really?http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/37209-geforce-gt... read that page 7970 vs gtx 680 at same clock speed there calling it a tie pretty much.Now take 2-3 fps off all those benches and you have the 7950 thats nowhere near 20% more like 5%
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 6:57:07 AM

Problem is you have no clue what the 7950 is capable of.Ive owned a 50 and 70 and have a firend who has a gtx 680 there all great cards but when its all said and done a 7950 offers much better price/performance and it isnt even close.Im not going stock for stock here yes the 7970 and 680 whipe the floor with a 7950 im talking all cards at max overclocks here.The 7950 overclocks just as high as a 7970 so they are neck and neck end of thread
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April 25, 2012 7:00:27 AM

Sorry man I have multiple real world users numbers, they are sticklers over there about how they run benchmark tests they watch for AMD users who alter things through catalyst like AA and no one had a score like that. also you do not have the same settings, HINT they have shaders on high. So I don't know what to tell ya, I posted my info you posted yours. People will have to read and choose themselves I guess.
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 7:04:53 AM

MANOFKRYPTONAK said:
Sorry man I have multiple real world users numbers, they are sticklers over there about how they run benchmark tests they watch for AMD users who alter things through catalyst like AA and no one had a score like that. also you do not have the same settings, HINT they have shaders on high. So I don't know what to tell ya, I posted my info you posted yours. People will have to read and choose themselves I guess.


There is nothing to choose here im right and your wrong period and i guarentee you anyone who knows anything would not claim 20% win for gtx 680 clock for clock thats fricken ridiculous and funny at the same time.Ive been building computers for over 15 years so im pretty sure i know what im talking about:) 
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 7:08:40 AM

stock for stock yes 20% clock for clock noway.by the way im sure those guys are watercooling kind of hard to compete with that.I simply said a 7950 with moderate overclock will beat a gtx 680 stock im not trying to blow my pc up and compete with air against people who water cool.
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April 25, 2012 8:35:49 AM

There's no point comparing overclocked to stock. Either compare stock to stock, or overclocked to overclocked. Fact is, overclocked GTX 680 will crush overclocked hd 7950.
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 8:39:45 AM

yet another guy who knows nothing:(  Ive just proved not once but twice read alittle please.and what do you mean by crush?If crushing is 5% then you would be right
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 8:45:55 AM

And yet the 7950 can clock higher in most cases then a gtx 680 theres no crushing involved here man:) 
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 8:50:43 AM

ty recon i was waiting for you to defend me lol
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Anonymous
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April 25, 2012 9:14:20 AM

Just for kicks since many are saying a gtx 680 is 20% faster then a 7950 im going to run some benches at gtx 680 stock speed and will see if it calculates anything close to 20% guarentee you its inside 5%
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April 25, 2012 1:01:55 PM

MANOFKRYPTONAK said:
So the cheapest I could find a 7950 at on newegg is $380. So lets go with a modest 7970 score from the link I posted, say thirty percent over the top 7950 score.

$38 is 10% of $380
$38 X 3 = $114
The cheapest 7970 I could find is $450 after MIR
$380 ( the price of the 7950) + $114 (30% of the cost of the 7950 because a 7970 beats it by 30%)= $494
A 30% better 7970= $450

I think this is homework where I showed my work and have reliable resources. You were mistaken happens to me too!



your homework is'nt done bub. you have not compare them at the same clock speed. if both are clock to 925, then you see a 5 percent difference between the two cards.

theres even articles about this

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/amd/r3g675h3/Clo...

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/amd/r3g675h3/Clo...

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/amd/r3g675h3/Clo...

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/34761-amd-hd-795...
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Anonymous
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April 26, 2012 3:59:46 AM

zakattak80 said:
your homework is'nt done bub. you have not compare them at the same clock speed. if both are clock to 925, then you see a 5 percent difference between the two cards.

theres even articles about this

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/amd/r3g675h3/Clo...

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/amd/r3g675h3/Clo...

http://img.hexus.net/v2/graphics_cards/amd/r3g675h3/Clo...

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/34761-amd-hd-795...


TY Zak :)  You try to tell people whats up even when i have a 7970 and a 7950 have tested them both extensivley and they still dont believe you.Either the 2 guys dont understand what clock for clock means and thought i was talking stock for stock or they just flatout havent a clue at all.Thanks for helping me out with those links since my benches werent good enough:) 
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