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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 2:42:26 AM

Alright, so I recently acquired a Core i5 750 for the low low price of absolutely nothing, and want to build a portable gaming rig around it (already have a more powerful system for normal use).

Specs so far:

SilverStone SST-PS07B case
Intel Core i5 750
Intel DP55WB Motherboard (P55 Based)
2 Gigs DDR3 (will be boosted to 16 gigs shortly)
160 Gig Seagate HDD
Seasonic SS-400ET PSU
(Total spent on all that, $90 for the case).

PSU Voltages:

+3.3V 20A
+5V 20A
+12V1 17A
+12V2 17A

Resolution:
1600x1200 or 1920x1600

Games Played:

BF3 (Med Settings)
BFBC2 (High)
A.V.A (High)
Skyrim (Medium?)
Saints Row 3 (High)
Medal of Honor (Med-High)
Dead Island (IDC)


Budget: As low as possible to obtain desired results, will pay for quality however.

I also have a few cards laying around (Quadro FX580, HD5750), but I don't think they are up to par.



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a c 253 U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 3:05:11 AM

EVGA 012-P3-1571-AR GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$294.99 and a $10 rebate makes it $284.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 012-P3-2066-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores FTW 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$289.99 and a $30 rebate makes it $259.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The first card would be the best for gaming at a high level and give very good performance and fps. If you don't want to go that high then the next card is a little less and will give almost as good performance as the first and both cards will come with Evga's lifetime limited warranty. You didn't give a budget amount so I don't know what you would be looking for as far as a price range goes but you can't go much lower and expect to get the performance you might be looking for.
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April 26, 2012 3:07:17 AM

Try this:
EVGA 01G-P3-1366-RX GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$99 for a GTX 460 is a steal.

Or, for $30 more, you get an overclocked version:
EVGA 01G-P3-1464-KR GeForce GTX 560 SE (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But with a 400W PSU, it'll be pretty risky running a GTX 460/560.
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 3:17:04 AM

inzone said:
EVGA 012-P3-1571-AR GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$294.99 and a $10 rebate makes it $284.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 012-P3-2066-KR GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 448 Cores FTW 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$289.99 and a $30 rebate makes it $259.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The first card would be the best for gaming at a high level and give very good performance and fps. If you don't want to go that high then the next card is a little less and will give almost as good performance as the first and both cards will come with Evga's lifetime limited warranty. You didn't give a budget amount so I don't know what you would be looking for as far as a price range goes but you can't go much lower and expect to get the performance you might be looking for.


Interesting choices, as far as a price range, I really don't want to top $200 if possible, mostly because I will outclass the card I have in my main system (6870). I'm looking for something roughly the same or better in terms of performance. Not adverse to overclocking if necessary.
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 3:21:56 AM

fpoon said:
Try this:
EVGA 01G-P3-1366-RX GeForce GTX 460 SE (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$99 for a GTX 460 is a steal.

Or, for $30 more, you get an overclocked version:
EVGA 01G-P3-1464-KR GeForce GTX 560 SE (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

But with a 400W PSU, it'll be pretty risky running a GTX 460/560.


That's true, but it's what I had laying around. I could swap it out with the Antec Greenpower 650W I have in my firewall.
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a c 253 U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 3:29:46 AM

Oh sorry I thought you were building a gaming Pc.
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April 26, 2012 3:31:49 AM

I'm selling my PNY GTX 570 for $210 if you want since I'm going to purchase GTX 680 sooner or later.
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 3:39:30 AM

inzone said:
Oh sorry I thought you were building a gaming Pc.


I am, but I'm sure it's hindered by the i5 750. I also can't afford to shell out that kind of bread with me facing (and possibly not surviving) a corporate "restructuring" soon.
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 3:40:19 AM

Axelion said:
I'm selling my PNY GTX 570 for $210 if you want since I'm going to purchase GTX 680 sooner or later.


How does that compare to, say, a GTX 480?
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April 26, 2012 3:40:51 AM

200$ max point will get you a GTX480, still one of the top cards currently. Okay, well, it's 210$ with free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you don't want to spend as much, the 6870 will be your next best bet.

You can also get a 7850 for 250$ which will be more efficient, electricity wise and cooling, than the former cards.
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 3:45:22 AM

Hongg said:
200$ max point will get you a GTX480, still one of the top cards currently. Okay, well, it's 210$ with free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you don't want to spend as much, the 6870 will be your next best bet.

You can also get a 7850 for 250$ which will be more efficient, electricity wise and cooling, than the former cards.


How does the 7850 compare to either performance wise? I'm seriously considering the GTX 480, but I'm worried about it being bottle necked, since I have no idea what kind of performance to expect out of this i5. My main gaming setup is listed in my sig.
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April 26, 2012 3:49:22 AM

sk1939 said:
How does the 7850 compare to either performance wise? I'm seriously considering the GTX 480, but I'm worried about it being bottle necked, since I have no idea what kind of performance to expect out of this i5. My main gaming setup is listed in my sig.


The 7850 beats out the 6870 but the 480 is better. The 480 gives better performance but does get hotter and consumes more electricity than the 7850.

As for your processor, it's a possibility that you might get bottle necked, as its on the lower end of CPUs, but I'm not an expert on this so I won't be able to give you too much information on this topic, sorry :( 
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 4:00:41 AM

Hongg said:
The 7850 beats out the 6870 but the 480 is better. The 480 gives better performance but does get hotter and consumes more electricity than the 7850.

As for your processor, it's a possibility that you might get bottle necked, as its on the lower end of CPUs, but I'm not an expert on this so I won't be able to give you too much information on this topic, sorry :( 


Thought so. I feel like I'm asking noob questions, considering I'm supposed to know this stuff.

According to this thread the i5 750 won't even bottleneck a GTX 680, so I should be good there.

So between these three:

GTX 480
GTX 570
HD 6870


Which would you all choose?
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 4:05:52 PM

So the question becomes:

GTX 480

or

GTX 570?
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 5:16:45 PM

Well, the GTX 480 is new and comes with an EVGA warranty. That's cool. The GTX 570 performs better, overclocks better and will have MUCH lower heat and power. This comes at the price of needing to buy it used.

I personally would gamble for a used GTX 570. If you aren't comfortable with that the GTX 480 is a great deal, especially since you get that warranty.
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 5:40:01 PM


For

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Resolution:
1600x1200 or 1920x1600

Games Played:

BF3 (Med Settings)
BFBC2 (High)
A.V.A (High)
Skyrim (Medium?)
Saints Row 3 (High)
Medal of Honor (Med-High)
Dead Island (IDC)


an HD 6870, around $150, should be more than enough jam.

Never seen one played at 1900x1600. I'll reserve judgement at that rez -- bet it makes everything short and stumpy :D 


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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 5:47:19 PM

Wisecracker said:
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Quote:
Resolution:
1600x1200 or 1920x1600

Games Played:

BF3 (Med Settings)
BFBC2 (High)
A.V.A (High)
Skyrim (Medium?)
Saints Row 3 (High)
Medal of Honor (Med-High)
Dead Island (IDC)


an HD 6870, around $150, should be more than enough jam.

Never seen one played at 1900x1600. I'll reserve judgement at that rez -- bet it makes everything short and stumpy :D 


*1920x1600

1900x1600 does make things short and stumpy looking.

Think so? I've been hitting a performance ceiling with the 6870 I have when I try to max things out at that resolution, but I guess maxing it out would cause that. 6870 is certainly affordable though, but the issue is that with a single PCI-e x16 slot (yes, it's actually x16) I'm worried about the future since I can't just go and add a 2nd card.
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 5:52:31 PM

striker410 said:
Well, the GTX 480 is new and comes with an EVGA warranty. That's cool. The GTX 570 performs better, overclocks better and will have MUCH lower heat and power. This comes at the price of needing to buy it used.

I personally would gamble for a used GTX 570. If you aren't comfortable with that the GTX 480 is a great deal, especially since you get that warranty.



I'm willing to take the gamble, but I do have my reservations (DoA card for example). I'm seriously considering just getting the 480.
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April 26, 2012 8:38:13 PM

you could pick up a pair of 5850's for aprox. $200 bucks, that sits you between the gtx570 and the gtx580
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 9:58:40 PM

That would work, except for the fact that I only have a single PCI-e x16 lane. I could do that for my other desktop though....

Edit: Newegg no longer carries the 5850 from what I can tell.
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 11:09:52 PM

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Funny everyone picks on the 480.
Here is a review for the gelid cooler:

Pros: Good grief, this thing has dropped my idle temps on my XFX 6970 from 59 to 36c. Nothing like a near 25c drop. Under full loads I was getting 94c with stock, now I have trouble getting near my previous idle temperature. *cackle* Quite happy with this cooling device.

Cons: H*ly cr*p it takes a while to assemble.



How long does that take to put on exactly?
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a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 11:47:40 PM

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Funny everyone picks on the 480.
To be fair the 480 does have a fair few shortcomings. I wouldn't recommend it unless it was so amazingly priced, the heat and power consumption are just very high compared to current gen cards. Remember how much it was picked on at launch? Alot. I'm just glad they were able to drop those temps a little.

Honestly, the GTX 480 and 570 are about neck and neck. The 570 can OC fairly high without a need for an aftermarket cooler. It's frankly better due to newer architecture. It's also more expensive.
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a b U Graphics card
April 27, 2012 3:13:10 AM

striker410 said:
To be fair the 480 does have a fair few shortcomings. I wouldn't recommend it unless it was so amazingly priced, the heat and power consumption are just very high compared to current gen cards. Remember how much it was picked on at launch? Alot. I'm just glad they were able to drop those temps a little.

Honestly, the GTX 480 and 570 are about neck and neck. The 570 can OC fairly high without a need for an aftermarket cooler. It's frankly better due to newer architecture. It's also more expensive.


That's the drawback, new it's frankly out of my price range. The 480 is relatively low in price, but what are some of the other shortcomings other than heat and power consumption?
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a b U Graphics card
April 27, 2012 3:58:12 AM

Asides from power consumption and heat, the only other real drawback is noise. When a fan ramps up past 70%, they tend to get noisy no matter what. I don't know if you need to push it past 70%, Recon knows more than me in this regard. The GTX 480 is a good card, don't get me wrong. It just has some issues.
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a b U Graphics card
April 27, 2012 4:05:33 AM

striker410 said:
Asides from power consumption and heat, the only other real drawback is noise. When a fan ramps up past 70%, they tend to get noisy no matter what. I don't know if you need to push it past 70%, Recon knows more than me in this regard. The GTX 480 is a good card, don't get me wrong. It just has some issues.


Would you spring for the used 570 over the 480?
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a b U Graphics card
April 27, 2012 4:11:42 AM

That's a tough question. If they were the same price it would really depend. The GTX 480 has a warranty, which would be the main reason I'd go for it. If the seller was trustworthy and offered to help if RMA was needed then yeah, I might.

If I couldn't find a trustworthy seller I wouldn't hesitate to grab the 480. Great card at a great price.

Honestly OP, I'd go for neither. The 6970 can be found for around $200 here: http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=17 If I could grab an XFX one with a transferable warranty, that would be my pick, I'd definitely pick it over a 570 used just because of the security you get with a transferable warranty.
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a b U Graphics card
April 27, 2012 4:46:26 AM

striker410 said:
That's a tough question. If they were the same price it would really depend. The GTX 480 has a warranty, which would be the main reason I'd go for it. If the seller was trustworthy and offered to help if RMA was needed then yeah, I might.

If I couldn't find a trustworthy seller I wouldn't hesitate to grab the 480. Great card at a great price.

Honestly OP, I'd go for neither. The 6970 can be found for around $200 here: http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=17 If I could grab an XFX one with a transferable warranty, that would be my pick, I'd definitely pick it over a 570 used just because of the security you get with a transferable warranty.


I don't know, he hasn't responded yet.

I took a look, but they don't have any up for sale at the moment. A 6970 huh....interesting choice, wouldn't be hindered by the i5 correct?
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a b U Graphics card
April 27, 2012 4:27:59 PM


With your setup (primarily the PSU), at the top end for you (with maybe a little stretch) are the HD7850/70s with max load at tweaking 350w+/-. That blows the budget, sorta.

If you stick with that PSU, the GTX480 will simply overwhelm it. If you choose that path, you should probably snag a new PSU, too, which blows the budget.

If you like the case and anticipate using it for a future build, buying fans and cpu coolers that work in the design is not a bad expense of limited dollars, either.

So blow the budget and snag a new HD7850. You're worth it. :lol: 

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a b U Graphics card
April 27, 2012 8:46:46 PM

Wisecracker said:
With your setup (primarily the PSU), at the top end for you (with maybe a little stretch) are the HD7850/70s with max load at tweaking 350w+/-. That blows the budget, sorta.

If you stick with that PSU, the GTX480 will simply overwhelm it. If you choose that path, you should probably snag a new PSU, too, which blows the budget.

If you like the case and anticipate using it for a future build, buying fans and cpu coolers that work in the design is not a bad expense of limited dollars, either.

So blow the budget and snag a new HD7850. You're worth it. :lol: 


Well I also have an Antec EA650 floating around as well, right now it's busy powering intense (not) load of my E8400-based firewall. Not buying another PSU unless I absolutely have to.

How does the 7850 compare to the 6870? I'm sill leaning towards the GTX 480.
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a b U Graphics card
April 28, 2012 12:02:28 AM

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Performance wise, no.
The 480 has more raw performance.


What kind of useful lifespan can I expect from the 480 vs. a 78XX, 68XX or so? I don't want to buy it and have it be outdated in 6 months.
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a b U Graphics card
April 28, 2012 12:13:28 AM

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I would say it has another 2 years of lifespan in all honesty.(if games do not take on a new DX version, and consoles are the same).


Good to know.

I just saw this deal on [H]ard forums:

Sapphire 6950 2gb Reference, Shaders Unlocked, FREE 4gb DDR3 1600 -$195 Shipped

Better deal than the 480?
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a b U Graphics card
April 28, 2012 12:35:29 AM

Any other input before I pull the trigger on the 480?
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a b U Graphics card
April 28, 2012 3:02:33 AM

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If heat is an issue in the future for you, you know what to get to enhance your card:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf3Mqf6Uu34&feature=rela...

These coolers are just....... beasts.
At stock clocks, you get almost the same cooling capacity as watercooling, once overclocked (850/1750/2000@ 1088MV) 65c in BF3 after 2 hours.....

You cannot go wrong with a 480, unless you are a derp who buys knowing your psu is just utter crap, however you are clever and have a great psu ;) 


I've got the two giant 160mm fans in the front of the case, and practically nothing inside, so airflow should not be an issue. The only question is, does the 480 use 2 x 6 pin or 1x6pin 1x8 pin? I only have a single 1x6 pin for some reason, but I have an additional 1x8.




Got it all assembled today, just missing some RAM (2GB currently) and of course a video card (using a Quadro FX 580 for the time being).
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