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Sony is MUCH likelier to still be in business five years from now if
any proprietary batteries are required - as Kodak remains in the deep
financial problems it has been in since digicams took over the camera
market. I'd avoid Kodak digicams for that reason alone.
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editor@netpath.net wrote:
> Sony is MUCH likelier to still be in business five years from now if
> any proprietary batteries are required - as Kodak remains in the deep
> financial problems it has been in since digicams took over the camera
> market. I'd avoid Kodak digicams for that reason alone.
>
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You have obviously NOT seen Kodak's annual reports lately.
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Ron wrote:
>You have obviously NOT seen Kodak's >annual reports lately.
On July 20 - under a week and a half ago - Long Island Newsday
reported Kodak is downsizing 10,000 more people; it attributes that to
the shift of consumer-level photography to digicams. Another
"mainstream" daily reported this month that Kodak lost money for the
second quarter this year. If Kodak is doing well overall, it sure
isn't in cameras or film - a sure sign it will get out of both soon to
quit losing money.
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editor@netpath.net wrote:
> Ron wrote:
>> You have obviously NOT seen Kodak's >annual reports lately.
>
> On July 20 - under a week and a half ago - Long Island Newsday
> reported Kodak is downsizing 10,000 more people; it attributes that to
> the shift of consumer-level photography to digicams. Another
> "mainstream" daily reported this month that Kodak lost money for the
> second quarter this year. If Kodak is doing well overall, it sure
> isn't in cameras or film - a sure sign it will get out of both soon to
> quit losing money.
>
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You are basing your conclusions on invalid assumptions. When film
operations are reduced, in response to the change in the market, not as
many people are required to operate the business. Since people are the
most expensive part of a business, less people generally means more
profit. Kodak sells more digital cameras in the US than anyone else,
and is second world-wide. That doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. I
know you have a 'thing' about Kodak, but don't let it blind you to the
truth.
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Ron wrote:
>You are basing your conclusions on invalid assumptions. When film
>operations are reduced, in response to the change in the market, not as
>many people are required to operate the business. Since people are the
>most expensive part of a business, less people generally means more
>profit.
If Kodak's doing so well, then why did it lose money last quarter?
> Kodak sells more digital cameras in the US than anyone else,
Really? WHERE? I don't see theirs even offered in full-service
camera stores - and the big-box places typically have one Kodak digicam
among a dozen Japanese brands. (And that doesn't count the cheapo
single-use and $25 digicams.)
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On 31 Jul 2005 14:42:20 -0700, "editor@netpath.net"
<editor@netpath.net> wrote:
>Ron wrote:
>>You are basing your conclusions on invalid assumptions. When film
>>operations are reduced, in response to the change in the market, not as
>>many people are required to operate the business. Since people are the
>>most expensive part of a business, less people generally means more
>>profit.
>
> If Kodak's doing so well, then why did it lose money last quarter?
Given some of he very well publicized shenanegans concerning financial
reports of businesses, it should be remembered that reported losses
does not always equate to actually losing money.
Charge-offs, as one example, can be a wonderful way to make it look
like a loss occured.
>
>> Kodak sells more digital cameras in the US than anyone else,
>
> Really? WHERE? I don't see theirs even offered in full-service
>camera stores - and the big-box places typically have one Kodak digicam
>among a dozen Japanese brands. (And that doesn't count the cheapo
>single-use and $25 digicams.)
>
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Bill wrote:
>Given some of he very well publicized shenanegans concerning financial
>reports of businesses, it should be remembered that reported losses
>does not always equate to actually losing money.
>Charge-offs, as one example, can be a wonderful way to make it look
>like a loss occured.
I just question WHERE Kodak digicams actually are selling so big in
America! I don't see them at the full-service camera stores. They are
almost an afterthought among the Japanese brands at places like
OfficeMax (and that doesn't count the $25 cheapos). Just WHERE in
America are enough Kodak digicams selling to make them the top-selling
digicam in America? Is it institutional/commercial bulk orders - to
schools, police forces, etc.?
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Bill Funk wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2005 14:42:20 -0700, "editor@netpath.net"
> <editor@netpath.net> wrote:
>
>> Ron wrote:
>>> You are basing your conclusions on invalid assumptions. When film
>>> operations are reduced, in response to the change in the market, not as
>>> many people are required to operate the business. Since people are the
>>> most expensive part of a business, less people generally means more
>>> profit.
>> If Kodak's doing so well, then why did it lose money last quarter?
>
> Given some of he very well publicized shenanegans concerning financial
> reports of businesses, it should be remembered that reported losses
> does not always equate to actually losing money.
> Charge-offs, as one example, can be a wonderful way to make it look
> like a loss occured.
>>> Kodak sells more digital cameras in the US than anyone else,
>> Really? WHERE? I don't see theirs even offered in full-service
>> camera stores - and the big-box places typically have one Kodak digicam
>> among a dozen Japanese brands. (And that doesn't count the cheapo
>> single-use and $25 digicams.)
>>
>> Browse this gun show for FREE! Shop the
>> http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW >
True, and Kodak did charge off some losses due to conversion from a film
based to a digital based business. And all the stores around here carry
Kodak cameras, such as Wal-Mart, Sam's, Circuit City, CompUSA, Fry's,
Office Depot, Office Max, and Staples, just to name a few.
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Ron wrote:
>True, and Kodak did charge off some losses due to conversion from a film
>based to a digital based business. And all the stores around here carry
>Kodak cameras, such as Wal-Mart, Sam's, Circuit City, CompUSA, Fry's,
>Office Depot, Office Max, and Staples, just to name a few.
OfficeMax here in Burlington, North Carolina now offers ONE Kodak
digicam model, one Hewlett-Packard digicam model - and about a dozen
Japanese-brand digicam models. It's obvious that OfficeMax sees that
the digicam market is in Japanese ones.
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editor@netpath.net wrote:
> Ron wrote:
>> True, and Kodak did charge off some losses due to conversion from a film
>> based to a digital based business. And all the stores around here carry
>> Kodak cameras, such as Wal-Mart, Sam's, Circuit City, CompUSA, Fry's,
>> Office Depot, Office Max, and Staples, just to name a few.
>
> OfficeMax here in Burlington, North Carolina now offers ONE Kodak
> digicam model, one Hewlett-Packard digicam model - and about a dozen
> Japanese-brand digicam models. It's obvious that OfficeMax sees that
> the digicam market is in Japanese ones.
>
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No, it is obvious that YOUR STORE doesn't carry a broad range of
merchandise. Perhaps they have a manager who doesn't like Kodak, or
maybe they don't have room for a full line, or just possibly, the Kodaks
were all sold out when you went in....
I haven't been in a local OfficeMax since they moved into a new store on
land taken by 'emminent domain', but others I have been in seem to have
a good range of products.
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Hi Editor,
Just saw your post and thought I would share some of my personal thoughts.
You can visit the Kodak site anytime to get details on corporate peformance,
etc.
Truth is, in my perspective, Kodak is doing very well considering the hard
times of transition. It is apparent that the reason for most of the trouble
is the transition from film to digital. Luckily Kodak is one of the top
holders of patents in the world, many in imaging. In fact, they are just now
celebrating the 30th anniversary of inventing the digital camera.
Although they have reduced their work force considerably over the last
years, an unavoidable and painful necessity, they still have a large
employee base all over the world. A more dedicated team can not be found
anywhere. And, in addition to general imaging, they also have a strong
presence in Professional Imaging, Health, Business, Government, not to
mention Graphic Imaging and other areas that are significant.
If I recall Kodak spent close to a billion dollars in research alone. Their
sales were close to 13.5 billion dollar area of sales last year, up about
500 million. Considering their plans and the work that I see going on, I am
quite certain that once the right sizing is complete you will see a very
sleek, slim, efficient, and successful company emerge. It won't be too long
before Kodak cameras are number one everywhere, not just in America.
Just wanted to share some insight that I have about Kodak. Talk to you soon,
Editor,
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> Sony is MUCH likelier to still be in business five years from now if
> any proprietary batteries are required - as Kodak remains in the deep
> financial problems it has been in since digicams took over the camera
> market. I'd avoid Kodak digicams for that reason alone.
>
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Hi Mike,
Both are great cameras and will serve you well.
For me, when I look for a camera, I consider price, features, quality, and
the future. I want to be reasonably sure that the camera I choose is going
to serve me well now and in the forseeable future. Also, I always make a
trip to the camera store to get a hands on feel and review to see if I like
the choices I make. I can then trim down the choices to those of particular
interest and make my choice. You have apparently done that already.
Obviously I prefer the Kodak as I work for them and can atest to the quality
and performance. I like the size and features of the LS753 and know that it
is easily secured in my pocket anywhere I go. As an old photographer,
having a camera with me is a must and this model fits the bill. I also like
the V cameras for the same reasons. They are a bit more money but nice in
their screen size and design. You also get EasyShare, which is used by quite
a few million people to get their images into their systems. The LS753 makes
full use of the software etc.
Regardless, you wont be disappointed in your choice regardless of which way
you go.
Good luck and enjoy the picture taking, that is what it is all about anyway.
Best Regards,
Ron Baird
Eastman Kodak Company
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> can someone compare those two? I can't decide, which is better. Maybe just
a
> matter of taste :-)
>
> Michael
>
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