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April 27, 2012 10:17:22 PM

Hi, I've bought just about everything I need for my build (with a lot of help from the excellent people on this site), but I'm now faced with the final big purchase, the video card.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Diablo 3, future proofing, amateur sound and video file production/management, watching movies, media server

Country: United States

Overclocking: Eventually

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3 LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor: Intel Core i7-2700K Sandy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

Power Supply: SILVERSTONE Strider Gold Evolution SST-ST75F-G Evolution 750W ATX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Primary Hard Drive: Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Above is what I've bought. All I really need is a video card and a CPU fan. This is the video card I was thinking about, and I would very much appreciate opinions on this choice and any alternatives to it. Thank you:

MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III PE/OC GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 27, 2012 10:24:02 PM

That card is overpriced right now in my opinion.

In the $300 range, I recommend the 7870 - it's better than the 570 at stock, and overclocks insanely well, easily matching or surpassing GTX 580 performance. It's available on newegg starting at $10 more:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, if you're gonna overclock your CPU, just get the 2600k - no difference between that and the 2700k if you are going to overclock.
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April 27, 2012 10:30:31 PM

For only $50 more than the GTX 570 you can get an HD7950:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 27, 2012 10:37:15 PM

^^ didn't realize 7950 prices had come down that low... that's a great deal if OP's budget can fit it
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April 28, 2012 12:42:18 AM

BigMack70 said:
That card is overpriced right now in my opinion.

In the $300 range, I recommend the 7870 - it's better than the 570 at stock, and overclocks insanely well, easily matching or surpassing GTX 580 performance. It's available on newegg starting at $10 more:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, if you're gonna overclock your CPU, just get the 2600k - no difference between that and the 2700k if you are going to overclock.


I've been using Nvidia cards for years, and have heard that the Radeons have driver problems. How true is this?

I actually bought the 2700K because it was on sale, and the price difference was negligible.

And I actually have a CM Storm Trooper case. How do you like it?

Thanks.
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April 28, 2012 12:49:37 AM

I LOVE my Storm Trooper case... I don't know how I ever survived on mid tower cases now that I'm using this... for an air cooling build I honestly am not sure how it could get much better. I have 4x120mm intake and 3x140mm exhaust hooked up to a 6-fan fan controller and it's amazing... dead silent when I'm not gaming, moves a TON of air while still being quiet when I am gaming... no more need for noisy 130 CFM+ fans like I used to need in my mid tower to keep things cool :D 

Radeons do have worse driver support than Nvidia, but it's not as bad as it is often made to sound. The typical scenario is that AMD has bad drivers at launch of a new card or a new game, while Nvidia is better at having good drivers out the door. Eventually they get them fixed, but it takes longer for AMD to solve issues (on average) than it does Nvidia.
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April 28, 2012 1:19:54 AM

BigMack70 said:
I LOVE my Storm Trooper case... I don't know how I ever survived on mid tower cases now that I'm using this... for an air cooling build I honestly am not sure how it could get much better. I have 4x120mm intake and 3x140mm exhaust hooked up to a 6-fan fan controller and it's amazing... dead silent when I'm not gaming, moves a TON of air while still being quiet when I am gaming... no more need for noisy 130 CFM+ fans like I used to need in my mid tower to keep things cool :D 

Radeons do have worse driver support than Nvidia, but it's not as bad as it is often made to sound. The typical scenario is that AMD has bad drivers at launch of a new card or a new game, while Nvidia is better at having good drivers out the door. Eventually they get them fixed, but it takes longer for AMD to solve issues (on average) than it does Nvidia.


:sarcastic:  :sarcastic:  :sarcastic:  :sarcastic: 

Comments about who's drivers are better always drive me crazy. Nvidia's drivers aren't better than AMD. AMD's drivers aren't better than Nvidia. Most of the talk about Nvidia having better drivers came about a few years ago when Nvidia was paying people in merchandise for posting opinionated comments like "Nvidia has much better driver support than ATI" (obviously prior to AMD purchasing ATI). I have serious doubts that you will have driver issues with either a single GPU AMD or Nvidia setup unless you are doing something you are not supposed to be. If anyone cares to debate this further, go ahead and make a list of every driver bug from every driver release from both camps for the past 4-5 years as well as how long it took to remedy the bug. Without facts, a debate on this is completely meaningless.
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April 28, 2012 1:26:04 AM

:pfff: 

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/01/17/amd_crossfire...

When you talk about "which company has better drivers?", that is a different question than "will you ever have driver issues with a single GPU setup".

The company with better drivers, overall, is Nvidia. I did not say AMD's driver support was bad. I said Nvidia's was better.
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April 28, 2012 5:25:11 PM

BigMack70 said:
:pfff: 

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/01/17/amd_crossfire...

When you talk about "which company has better drivers?", that is a different question than "will you ever have driver issues with a single GPU setup".

The company with better drivers, overall, is Nvidia. I did not say AMD's driver support was bad. I said Nvidia's was better.


You say that, yet, at this point in time. Crossfire scales better than SLI more often than not. Not to mention HardOCP can be more than opinionated at times :sarcastic:  . It can also be safely said that probably 90-95% of the discrete market is running a single GPU. In a thread where the OP is buying a single GPU, support for a single GPU matters most. Once again, in a single GPU setup, AMD and Nvidia have the same quality of drivers. Then you can argue "but what if he gets a second card to use SLI or Crossfire." That is a different argument entirely. It has already been proven that many TWIMTBP games are designed run better on Nvidia and worse on AMD or a combination of the two. Then we would have to debate the difference between dev partnerships vs ACTUAL driver support, how the two are connected, and whether or not dev partnerships should be included in the statement about driver support being better for one camp over the other.

The reason I didn't not make a blanket statement about multi gpu setups is that the argument gets far more complicated. I'm just tired of hearing people talk about who's drivers are better. The correct answer is, "It depends on what you are doing."
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April 28, 2012 5:50:02 PM

I stand by my original statement, and nothing you have really said proves anything against what I claimed... you're just ranting as if I were someone claiming "lulz AMD drivers are teh cr4p".
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Radeons do have worse driver support than Nvidia, but it's not as bad as it is often made to sound. The typical scenario is that AMD has bad drivers at launch of a new card or a new game, while Nvidia is better at having good drivers out the door. Eventually they get them fixed, but it takes longer for AMD to solve issues (on average) than it does Nvidia.
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April 28, 2012 6:18:44 PM

BigMack70 said:
I stand by my original statement, and nothing you have really said proves anything against what I claimed... you're just ranting as if I were someone claiming "lulz AMD drivers are teh cr4p".
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Radeons do have worse driver support than Nvidia, but it's not as bad as it is often made to sound. The typical scenario is that AMD has bad drivers at launch of a new card or a new game, while Nvidia is better at having good drivers out the door. Eventually they get them fixed, but it takes longer for AMD to solve issues (on average) than it does Nvidia.


:sarcastic:  I guess that means you win :sarcastic: 

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April 28, 2012 7:34:21 PM

Sorry, didnt mean to incite a riot. It's been so long since I've built a system that i didn't realize the rivalry that's developed around Radeon vs Nvidia. Obviously people must be having good enough experiences with Radeon to consider going with one, and I will consider one based on this thread.
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April 28, 2012 7:37:43 PM

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April 28, 2012 9:22:18 PM

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