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Brainstorming a new 2012 Rig, Expert opinions needed

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June 22, 2012 9:11:47 AM

Hello everyone, I am looking to build a new rig but before i start I'd like to mention that m no expert nor a novice :whistle:  so I would definitely appreciate all your opinions and advices.

As for the specific type of pc components I am looking for are motherboard+CPU+RAM while disregarding price margin/cost, I will be using on those my already existing components .

the purpose of this new Rig upgrade is mid-range Audio/visual editing , 3D applications and heavy gaming. I upgrade my rigs once every 5/6 years when I get to travel so i can get my hands on some decent hardware, in short terms I get 1 shot at upgrading every 5 years so: Performance/Durability > cost while disregarding temporary entry-level upgrades.

Now I had my eyes on intel LGA2011 3930k CPU before the 3rd generation intel came out and that got confusing for me (I do multi-task heavily so the 6 threads looked efficiently helpful), as for the motherboard the Gigabyte x79 boards (UD-5 / UD-7) are stated as discontinued on newegg.com so m looking now at:

Asus Rampage IV Extreme
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory aiming at 32GB speed 2400, I found G.Skill which i never tried before but the reviews looked good although I am not sure about their 10-12-12-31 timing, seems high latency to me.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
( I buy corsair usually)

I hope this gave you a good idea at what m trying to aim for and perhaps show me where to take it from there.

questions:
CPU: 3930k or new Ivy Bridge 3rd generation? (OC possibility)

Motherboard: Solid in component and performance, too many x79 types, which one if not Asus RIV Extreme? or if for Ivy.B cpu which one suits my needs?

RAM: 32GB corresponding type of CPU and motherboard (2nd or 3rd generation), high speed types (2400) or low latency types (CAS 9) ? brand?

Thank you for reading my brainstorming so far and looking forward for what you experts have to say :) 
June 23, 2012 2:27:54 AM

I built a x79 I7-3930K PC with the Asus P9X79 Pro, used the money saved from the Rampage difference to upgrade to Gigabyte GTX670. My
16GB of Corsair Vengeance 1600 RAM easily O/C to 2133 using 1.54 V and I would think you could get 2133 RAM to 2400 with just a touch of voltage rather than getting it out of the box at top prices. Corsair timing is at 9/9/9/24 at 2133 so for $109 it was a good deal, you could do 32GB for $218 that way at Microcenter in Quad Channel...

3930k hits 4.5 Ghz with only a bit more voltage and I havent even pushed the boot strap, using a Corsair H100 cooler thats a 45x multiplier runs at about 46C at load because Voltage is only 1.35..Im happy with that for now.

The Asus P9X79 Sabertooth vs the Asus P9X79 Pro is a close call with only about 40 dollars difference. The Rampage is for extreme gaming really.. but then why not max a 2500 dollar build anyway I guess. My budget was too tight and i doubt I'll miss the LC part of the Rampage board....

You didn't mention a graphics card but a good 850W PSU can run 3x 670's if it has enough on the rails...I got the Corsair AX850 Pro (gold)

I paired a Crucial M4 256GB SSD with 2TB Barracuda and that spinning disk hits over 103 MB/s...M4 hits 350 mb reads easy. It does seem the Intel RST drivers make it a little slower than it should be...
June 24, 2012 7:43:14 AM

Thanks George, I see your point, you are right and yes i have not posted other components cause i wanted to focus more on those 3 main pc parts,
the other components that I already have are: thermaltake PSU Toughpower 1200w, two Gigabyte 560ti SLI, Thermaltake Frio OcK CPU cooler (sometimes annoying to find the right mobo for it) and around 6TB worth of HDDs.
The only component that I would like to migrate to the new rig but can't is a studio production soundcard , the Lynx L22 http://www.lynxstudio.com , wish there was a mobo of equal level to rampage, UD7 etc.. which includes a PCI-x slot. that is why I was mainly aiming for Gigabyte's GA-x79-UD5 motherboard which is discontinued now.

but still, is Ivy bridge good enough to entirely replace Sandy Bridge? or should I stick to 3930k ?

cheers,
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June 24, 2012 7:58:24 AM

What multitasking do you do exactly? Would help to know. As for the Asus extreme board, its not really necessary unless you are doing hardcore maxed out gaming, otherwise you cant really justify the cost of the board compared to other boards out there which provide better preformance/cost.
June 24, 2012 8:51:47 AM

Ragnarok666 said:
What multitasking do you do exactly? Would help to know. As for the Asus extreme board, its not really necessary unless you are doing hardcore maxed out gaming, otherwise you cant really justify the cost of the board compared to other boards out there which provide better preformance/cost.


Well if m not working m definitely hardcore gaming and as far as multitasking it depends on the post-production type:
if visual (heaviest load) then i would have Avid, Cubase, Wavelab,3rd party plugins depending on the need, ftp client and several tabs on firefox + 1 or 2 communication softwares , perhaps i should have mentioned dual screens?
in short words it is a heavy load as you can see .

cheers,

a c 92 B Homebuilt system
June 24, 2012 8:34:02 PM

That extra RAM speed is going to be a huge waste of money - anything over 1600 is massive overkill and most motherboards generally don't recognize it - and Intel even won't allow you to RMA your CPU (if necessary) if they find out that you've been using RAM above that speed.

I can post an X79 build that I generally recommend if I know what your budget is.
June 25, 2012 7:11:55 AM

g-unit1111 said:
That extra RAM speed is going to be a huge waste of money - anything over 1600 is massive overkill and most motherboards generally don't recognize it - and Intel even won't allow you to RMA your CPU (if necessary) if they find out that you've been using RAM above that speed.

I can post an X79 build that I generally recommend if I know what your budget is.


Thanks for replying , as mentioned in my initial post there is no budget limit since it is a 1-shot upgrade every 5 years so i wont be upgrading the rig in multiple phases, yes that would be awesome to see your suggestion for a build, thanks.

June 25, 2012 4:10:18 PM

Lyan said:
Hello everyone, I am looking to build a new rig but before i start I'd like to mention that m no expert nor a novice :whistle:  so I would definitely appreciate all your opinions and advices.

As for the specific type of pc components I am looking for are motherboard+CPU+RAM while disregarding price margin/cost, I will be using on those my already existing components .

the purpose of this new Rig upgrade is mid-range Audio/visual editing , 3D applications and heavy gaming. I upgrade my rigs once every 5/6 years when I get to travel so i can get my hands on some decent hardware, in short terms I get 1 shot at upgrading every 5 years so: Performance/Durability > cost while disregarding temporary entry-level upgrades.

Now I had my eyes on intel LGA2011 3930k CPU before the 3rd generation intel came out and that got confusing for me (I do multi-task heavily so the 6 threads looked efficiently helpful), as for the motherboard the Gigabyte x79 boards (UD-5 / UD-7) are stated as discontinued on newegg.com so m looking now at:

Asus Rampage IV Extreme
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory aiming at 32GB speed 2400, I found G.Skill which i never tried before but the reviews looked good although I am not sure about their 10-12-12-31 timing, seems high latency to me.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
( I buy corsair usually)

I hope this gave you a good idea at what m trying to aim for and perhaps show me where to take it from there.

questions:
CPU: 3930k or new Ivy Bridge 3rd generation? (OC possibility)

Motherboard: Solid in component and performance, too many x79 types, which one if not Asus RIV Extreme? or if for Ivy.B cpu which one suits my needs?

RAM: 32GB corresponding type of CPU and motherboard (2nd or 3rd generation), high speed types (2400) or low latency types (CAS 9) ? brand?

Thank you for reading my brainstorming so far and looking forward for what you experts have to say :) 


Since you will most likely be gaming at 1080p(?) here is what I would recommend-

Asus P9X79 WS & i7 3930k- http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... 925$

Corsair Vengeance LP 32gb 1600mhz- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 220$

NZXT Switch 810- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 180$ (Don't know if you have a case that can accomodate this wide of a motherboard already)

Noctua NH-D14- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 85$

Crucial M4 512gb SSD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 370$

Seagate Barracuda 3tb HDD- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 170$ (If you need extra space)

Seasonic Platinum 860w PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 190$ (Thermaltake PSU's are not very good and 1200w is way overkill. Usually you want to be right in the middle of the PSU's wattage to run the PSU as efficiently as possible)

Asus DirectCU II GTX 670- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... x2=840$ (Since you don't upgrade until 5 yrs. from now 2 GTX 670's should be enough to last that time span)
a c 92 B Homebuilt system
June 25, 2012 7:21:53 PM

Lyan said:
Thanks for replying , as mentioned in my initial post there is no budget limit since it is a 1-shot upgrade every 5 years so i wont be upgrading the rig in multiple phases, yes that would be awesome to see your suggestion for a build, thanks.


Try this:

Case: NZXT Switch 810 - $169.99
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKII 750W - $109.99
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 - $319.99
CPU: 3.2GHz Intel Core i7-3930K - $559.99
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 Socket LGA 2011 Edition - $84.99
RAM: 32GB (4 x 8GB) G.Skill Ares DDR3 1600MHz 1.5V - $279.99
SSD: 128GB OCZ Vertex 4 - $119.99
HD: 2TB Seagate Barracuda Green 7200 RPM - $119.99
Optical: LG Blu Ray Burner - $69.99
Video Card: EVGA Geforce GTX 670 FTW Edition - $419.99
OS: Windows 7 Pro - $139.99

Total: $2,414.89
June 26, 2012 12:07:56 AM

G-Unit's build is really close to my new build I finished last week. (microcenter prices)

Motherboard:Asus P9X79 Pro $319
CPU: i7-3030k $499
Case: Xigmatek Pantheon Mid-Tower $99
PSU: Corsair AX850 Gold Modular $229
Cooler: Corsair H100 Liquid $109
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB DDR3 1600 (4x $GB) $109
SSD: Crucial M4 256GB SSD $199
HDD: 2TB Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm $109
Optical: Asus 12X BD Blue Ray Burner $109
Video: Gigabyte Windforce GTX670 $409
OS: Windows 7 Home (already licensed from Home Pack)
Cheapo Mouse and Keyboard $20 (for now)

Just under $2500 plus tax.
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