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Approximate Purchase Date: mid-end of July

Budget Range: around 2000$ Canadian (after rebates)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, surfing the internet while gaming, watching movies, listening to music while gaming. I say all this "while" because I do not know if the i7's hyper threading is worth the money over an i5.

Parts Not Required: speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://www.canadacomputers.com/. This is an online site but they have a brig and mortar location in Laval and I like brig and mortar. Here is their price match policy http://www.canadacomputers.com/PriceMatch_Policy.php. I do not know if when they do not have an item I want, if they will order it, so in that case I am open to other brig and mortar places or online sites.

Country: Quebec, Canada

Parts Preferences: Nvidia for GPU, Intel for CPU

Overclocking: Yes. Both CPU and GPU

SLI or Crossfire: Over my dead body (no :kaola:  )

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 or 1920x1200

Additional Comments: This is my first build ever so I'm under pressure. I will not wait for Haswell since this build will have to last me 5 years and by then Haswell socket type will be outdated anyway so ill just buy a new computer then. The only thing that I will maybe change is the GPU after a couple of years if it cannot max out (meaning max AA, ultra settings, etc.) games at the indicated resolution with 60fps+. I WANT a case with a side fan for GPU cooling. I WOULD like a case that also has a side window to view my awesome components. Silent will also be a must. I prefer Asus for motherboards since they are pure quality and they have an awesome UEFI. I like Seasonic's line of PSUs. I want the best single GPU in the world, not gtx 670 unless, you can prove otherwise. I would like color matching for the components or at least colors that go along together. I will not use closed loops coolers for CPU like Corsair or others, only air. At first I wanted the Sabertooth z-77 with a noctua d-14 or the phantecks alternative, but then I fell in love with an mini atx mobo :love:  . Here is my build.

Corsair Carbide Series 500R BLACK Mid Tower Case (CC-9011012-WW): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6... (I find this case awesome, even if it has no side window. Plus, dust filters are exterior and that is a no-brainer, something other companies do not seem to understand)

ASUS DRW-24B1ST Black SATA 24X DVD-Writer 24xDVD+R/-R 24xDVD+/-R DL 8xDVD+RW/6xDVD-RW 48xCD-R OEM: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3... (no need for blu-ray since next gen xbox will have one anyway and I intend to buy it)

Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 22nm (Retail Boxed) Gen3 (BX806237I53570K): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

Noctua NH-C14 Six Heatpipe Dual 140MM fan CPU Cooler for Intel LGA1366, LGA1156, LGA1155, LGA775 & AMD AM2, AM2+, AM3 (backplate required): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8... (I hope it is not too big for the motherboard since I do not want to insulate)

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2... (or blue ones, like the vengeance ones or kingston but those run at 1.65v, no good for sb and iv unless you find a kit that runs at 1.5 1600mhz)

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... (I want at least an 7200 rpm hard drive and a reliable one, that is why i chose this samsung over other sata 6gb/s ones, which from my understanding, makes no difference for hard drives)

SteelSeries 6G V2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (64225) (Retail Box): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2... or Corsair Vengeance K60 Performance FPS Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (CH-9000004-NA): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2... or Corsair Vengeance K90 MMO Performance Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (CH-9000003-NA): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2... (I want a mechanical keyboard with either black or red switches. I do not know how much "heavier" are the black ones vs red. I would like a keyboard with lights, so if you know of another one with black or red switches let me know.)

Logitech (910-001260) G500, 5700dpi Gaming Laser Mouse (Retail Box): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2... (I have very sweaty and greasy hands, and my laptop is full of some kind of dirt that is formed from sweat and heat, so I want a keyboard and mouse that are resistant to this s..t because it is driving me insane)

Dell UltraSharp U2312HM IPS-Panel Black 23" 8ms Swivel & Height Adjustable Widescreen LCD Monitor with LED 300 cd/m2 2 Million:1 DCR (1000:1): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (I know this is US, but I think I can find this monitor in Canada as well. Since I will not need a 120hz monitor, I want a monitor with an IPS panel good at gaming.)

Asus Maximus V GENE Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset Dual channel 4 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2x PCI-Express 3.0 x16 GLAN 8-CH High Definition Audio 2x SATA 3.0Gb/s 2x SATA 6.0Gb/s 1x eSATA 3Gb/s 1 x mini-SATA 3Gb/s 8x USB 3.0 10x USB 2.0 Micro ATX: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2... (I am in love with this)

SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (I think I can find it in Canada. I want a reliable ssd and since samsung has been awarded for that, i'd like this one)

Seasonic X-660 Fully Modular 80PLUS Gold 660W PSU (SS-660KM Active PFC F3)http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3... (if the x-560 is enough for an overclocked cpu(around 4.5) and gpu, I will get that one)

MSI N680GTX Lightning GeForce GTX 680 PCI Express 3.0 x16 Video Card: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... (they should have it in stock at canada computers soon. IMHO, this is the best single GPU on the planet. The classified is overpriced and i doubt i need 4gb at 1920 by 1080)

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Why don't you want SLI? 2X670's will perform amazing, if you can find them for cheap.

My advice to you is:
Buy the peripherals first, than get the computer later. It helps a lot imo.

ok bro, if you plan on keeping your pc for 5 year and expect that it runs game at decent setting...good luck with that, you will need it. as for the build it self... here it is:http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/aEKk total: 2050$


now....to explain the parts i choose...
*i went with the i7 over the i5 becuase you want to keep the pc for a long time so HT will help you with gaming in about 1-2 years when games can make proper use of more than 4 cores (HT gives you 8 cores) so games will run faster in with the i7 but if you want to save 100$ you can grab the i5 3570k, either way those CPUs will be useless in 4 years.... (although the i7 might still be decent)

*The corsair 600T is better than the 500R and for some reason i found it for 5$ less than the 500r

*Noctua cooler are FU#%ING ugly.... they are efficient but there are better choices like the zalman CPU cooler cnps12x

*i found the 24" version of the monitor you listed

*that motherboard is an overated piece of crap...well its actually good but a micro ATX motherboard is simply not good for you, speacially because wheather you like it or not you might need to grab another GTX 680 if you REALLY want to keep your PC for 5 years

*The samsung 830 IS better than the Crucial m4 but not THAT better, its barely noticeable, and it doesnt justify the price diference

*The gtx 680 Windforce edition in my list is better.

well i thinks thats it... and about the CPU... if you REALLY want to keep your pc for that long the buy the i7 and turn the HT OFF (if you play most current games with ht ON it will reduce your performance simply because todays games are not optimized for using 8 cores) and turn it ON in a few years

as for the psu...650w is enough to power a single gpu and cpu with a slight overclock but when you get your second GTX 680 you will need to get at least a 850w psu because by then your components capacitors will be kinda old and will draw more power than they used to do when you first bought them

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aqualipt said:
ok bro, if you plan on keeping your pc for 5 year and expect that it runs game at decent setting...good luck with that, you will need it. as for the build it self... here it is:http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/aEKk total: 2050$


now....to explain the parts i choose...
*i went with the i7 over the i5 becuase you want to keep the pc for a long time so HT will help you with gaming in about 1-2 years when games can make proper use of more than 4 cores (HT gives you 8 cores) so games will run faster in with the i7 but if you want to save 100$ you can grab the i5 3570k, either way those CPUs will be useless in 4 years.... (although the i7 might still be decent)

*The corsair 600T is better than the 500R and for some reason i found it for 5$ less than the 500r

*Noctua cooler are FU#%ING ugly.... they are efficient but there are better choices like the zalman CPU cooler cnps12x

*i found the 24" version of the monitor you listed

*that motherboard is an overated piece of crap...well its actually good but a micro ATX motherboard is simply not good for you, speacially because wheather you like it or not you might need to grab another GTX 680 if you REALLY want to keep your PC for 5 years

*The samsung 830 IS better than the Crucial m4 but not THAT better, its barely noticeable, and it doesnt justify the price diference

*The gtx 680 Windforce edition in my list is better.

well i thinks thats it... and about the CPU... if you REALLY want to keep your pc for that long the buy the i7 and turn the HT OFF (if you play most current games with ht ON it will reduce your performance simply because todays games are not optimized for using 8 cores) and turn it ON in a few years

as for the psu...650w is enough to power a single gpu and cpu with a slight overclock but when you get your second GTX 680 you will need to get at least a 850w psu because by then your components capacitors will be kinda old and will draw more power than they used to do when you first bought them


HyperThreading does not give you 8 cores, it creates a second logical hardware thread on each core which shares the same execution resources as the other logical hardware thread. In a situation in which execution resources are optimally used Hyperthreading is impossible because there would be no way to improve performance because all resources are in use. However, execution resources are rarely ever optimally used and thus HyperThreading shuffles instructions from two threads into a more optimal sequence. Thus, HyperThreading only really helps when there are two sub optimal and independent workloads.

Turning HT off also won't help performance at all. Windows is aware of HT and like technologies and will schedule accordingly. The only reason HT should ever be turned off is when operating a pre Windows-2000 OS or when overclocking. I hate to sound belligerent but you're spreading incorrect information.

Pinhedd said:
HyperThreading does not give you 8 cores, it creates a second logical hardware thread on each core which shares the same execution resources as the other logical hardware thread. In a situation in which execution resources are optimally used Hyperthreading is impossible because there would be no way to improve performance because all resources are in use. However, execution resources are rarely ever optimally used and thus HyperThreading shuffles instructions from two threads into a more optimal sequence. Thus, HyperThreading only really helps when there are two sub optimal and independent workloads.

Turning HT off also won't help performance at all. Windows is aware of HT and like technologies and will schedule accordingly. The only reason HT should ever be turned off is when operating a pre Windows-2000 OS or when overclocking. I hate to sound belligerent but you're spreading incorrect information.


well... telling him that ht gives you "8 cores" was the easiest way to explain to him what hyper threading did.... if you think that turning HT on wont reduce your performance (at least not in gaming) then look this: http://static.betazeta.com/www.chw.net/up/2012/05/i5vsi... as you can see, the i7 outperforms the i5 in almost everything except in the most important part....gaming :??: 

LonelyMan said:
I will not SLI, ever. if my gtx 680 won't cut it anymore that I will just replace it with another card from whatever gen happens to be at that time, eg. gtx 700, 800 etc.


look bro... i dont want to insult you but there is only one word to describe the argument i am quoting ---> stupid.

in this forum most people back what they say with a source, if you dont want to sli then tell us why. what worries you?...space? power consumption? posible shuttering in games? driver issues?

SLI is an awesome technology that will give you extreme performance whenever you want it, and its a perfect update for old rigs that requiere and update to keep up with todays games but their owners dont have the cash to buy a new build or are waiting for the next gen GPU/CPU

personally i have a i7 3960x and a 3sli GTX 680 that arrived a couple of days ago and i havent set them up because i still need a case and a WC system and i will definetly add a forth GTX 680 in about 1-2 years to keep up with games, so come on men! embrace technology :D 
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aqualipt said:
well... telling him that ht gives you "8 cores" was the easiest way to explain to him what hyper threading did.... if you think that turning HT on wont reduce your performance (at least not in gaming) then look this: http://static.betazeta.com/www.chw.net/up/2012/05/i5vsi... as you can see, the i7 outperforms the i5 in almost everything except in the most important part....gaming :??: 



That link cites 3 games and is next to useless. Here is a better one. Hyperthreading helps in some cases and hurts in others. By my count the 2600K does better in 7 of 13 gaming benchmarks and ties in one leaving the i5 2500K with the lead in 5.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=287

aqualipt said:
look bro... i dont want to insult you but there is only one word to describe the argument i am quoting ---> stupid.

in this forum most people back what they say with a source, if you dont want to sli then tell us why. what worries you?...space? power consumption? posible shuttering in games? driver issues?

SLI is an awesome technology that will give you extreme performance whenever you want it, and its a perfect update for old rigs that requiere and update to keep up with todays games but their owners dont have the cash to buy a new build or are waiting for the next gen GPU/CPU

personally i have a i7 3960x and a 3sli GTX 680 that arrived a couple of days ago and i havent set them up because i still need a case and a WC system and i will definetly add a forth GTX 680 in about 1-2 years to keep up with games, so come on men! embrace technology :D 


Why are you being combative? If he doesnt want to SLI he doesnt need to explain himself to you, or anyone else.

vrumor said:
Why are you being combative? If he doesnt want to SLI he doesnt need to explain himself to you, or anyone else.


i know, but i am just curious :??:  SLI is great why wouldnt he want it?

anort3 said:
That link cites 3 games and is next to useless. Here is a better one. Hyperthreading helps in some cases and hurts in others. By my count the 2600K does better in 7 of 13 gaming benchmarks and ties in one leaving the i5 2500K with the lead in 5.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=287


Whatever, the diference is only 100$ ....OP i say you get the i7 just because you have the money and try turning ht on and off and see how you get better fps in the games you want
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