Give help to a noob. ~1000USD Build

oohoohpickme · Jun 24, 2012

First of all, I'm really new to messing with this stuff, and thought I'd give it a try and build my own system.

INFO

Approximate Purchase Date: Hopefully sometimes early July.

Budget Range: ~1000USD Before rebates. Saving more will be better.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, homework, surfing the Internet.

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse. I won't get expensive gaming gears for now. Also if the sound chip in

the mobo is bad, I'll consider a sound card.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg mostly, like I said I'm pretty new to this and I heard newegg was

good for the likes. I'll go anywhere else, though, if it's a much better deal.

Country: US

Parts Preferences: Whatever is good for the price and meets the budget.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Quiet and power efficient.

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PARTS

CPU:$160- AMD]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819106010]AMD FX-6200 Zambezi 3.8GHz

(4.1GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor FD6200FRGUBOX

GPU:$130- EVGA]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130625]EVGA 01G-P3-1556-KR GeForce

GTX 550 Ti (Fermi) FPB 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

RAM:$47- G.SKILL]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428]G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB

(2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL

HDD:$100- Seagate]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840]Seagate Barracuda

ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

MOBO:110- GIGABYTE]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519]GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+

AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

cASE:$110 or $120- NZXT]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146079]NZXT Crafted Series

Phantom Black / Green Trim Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case or

Sentey]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811322018]Sentey Extreme Division GS-6500B Burton Blue

Tower Case 6x Fan LED/ 4 x USB / Multi Card Reader / 4 x Fan Control / E-SATA / 6 x Removable Aluminum Bays /

Screwless
(The NZXT case looks so sick, I might just fish the $20 out somewhere and get that, unless it hurts performance.)

OS:$100- Microsoft]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986]Microsoft Windows 7 Home

Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

DVD DRIVE:$17- SONY]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118031]SONY Black 18X DVD-ROM

48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1681S-0B - OEM

MONITOR:$160- Asus]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236099]Asus ML228H 21.5"

1920X1080 2ms Full HD LED BackLight LED Monitor Slim Design 250 cd/m2 10,000,000 :1 (ASCR)

PSU:$65- Rosewill]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066]Rosewill CAPSTONE Series

CAPSTONE-450 450W Continuous @ 50°C, 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92, SLI

Ready, CrossFire Ready, Active - PFC Power Supply

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MY QUESTIONS

(1: Can I upgrade my build with little or no extra cost?

(2: Are all the parts compatible?

(3: Will any parts bottleneck eachother?

(4: Will an extra fan for my CPU be needed?

(5: I heard that I should scan for bad sectors and format it, should I? And how.

(6: I'll mostly be playing LoL, D3, Borderlands 1/2, do I need a sound card?

TY for reading! Any and all help is greatly appreciated!

aqualipt · Jun 24, 2012

Check my signature build

Merueth · Jun 24, 2012

aqualipt :

He needs an OS and a Monitor, so your build is irrelevant.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.50 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VS228H-P 21.5" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($98.99 @ B&H)
Total: $952.40
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

The problem with your build is that you are overspending on a case, and not spending enough on the video card. I chose to go with the 6870, simply because you don't need any more power for the games you want to play. Motherboard sound is very good nowadays, so I wouldn't worry too much about the sound. Just buy everything from Newegg, other than the processor and the cooler and you should be just under $1000. Note that I didn't include speakers, so hopefully you have a headset

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Just to inform you on why your build wont perform very well:

AMD has been slipping farther and farther behind intel in terms of processors for the last 7 years. Even a dual core i3 can easily beat the FX series in game performance, and the overclocked i5-2500k crushes the FX-6100 in CPU intensive games, sometimes by more than 10 FPS.
The 550 Ti is about 2 tiers behind the 6870 in terms of performance, and with the 6870 at such low prices, you'd be a fool not to pick one up now, as they drop to below $150. It should easily max out all the games you listed with 60+ FPS.
If you really want a NZXT case, you can find the Source 210, which is $40 ATM, and is quite good for a budget case. $100+ cases are generally used in $1500 builds, and that is without a monitor and an OS!
Finally, the Capstone is a very high-quality PSU, but it doesn't produce enough power to match the TX 650, which is of similar quality, while offering a lot more power.

Phym · Jun 24, 2012

Get a intel cpu.... anything but amd motherboard, dont need a sound card, and a ati 7850 is more than enough to play your games.

aqualipt · Jun 24, 2012

want my honest advice? concentrate ONLY on the case and the parts that goes inside, its OBVIOUS you need and OS so instead of saying you got a 1000$ budget say you a 900$ budget (the OS costs 100$) and a monitor is a peripheral so exclude it from your budget UNLESS you want an advice on monitors

mousseng · Jun 24, 2012

Merueth :

This is a very good build, and this is the one I'm going to recommend as well. The only thing that concerns me is that you're spending significantly more on the processor than video card - but in perspective, it's much easier to upgrade the GPU than CPU. You'll get much more life out of a $200 CPU than a $200 video card.

Another thing to note is that if you purchase all this from Newegg, it'll be roughly $1070~ before rebates. You'll be able to knock about $20 off of that though, by taking advantage of ShopRunner's 30-day trial to get free 2-day shipping, and you can easily get more off by trawling through each part's Combo list.

oohoohpickme · Jun 24, 2012

So, are there any parts I can get in a combo that's on that build?

Merueth · Jun 24, 2012

If you get the DVD burner and the HAF 912 from Newegg, you should still be under your budget. NCIX and Amazon are both trusted companies, so hopefully you don't have problems ordering from them. The total should be roughly $1020 before rebates.

I know I overspent in terms of CPU to Graphics card, but you really don't need a 7850 when the most intensive game you play is Diablo 3; even the lowly 6670 can play it with 35 FPS.

mousseng · Jun 24, 2012

Merueth :

I know; I wasn't slamming you for that, I actually think it's a better idea regardless. If he got an i3-2120 and a 7850, in a few years he'd have to upgrade both (which would mean a new motherboard too - LGA1155 is going the way of LGA1156); this way he'll only have to upgrade his video card.

On combos:

If you want to play Tribes: Ascend, there's a free booster with the i5 (only through the combo, though)
There's a decent i5+8GB DDR3-1600 combo.
Alternatively, you can get i5+8GB DDR3-2133.
You can get an i5-2550k+ASRock Z68 Pro3. The 2550k lacks the integrated graphics the 2500k has, which theoretically allows it to clock higher and run cooler.
Or you can just get the 2500k and Pro3.
There's a deal for 8GB DDR3-2133 and the Pro3.
As well as one for 8GB DDR3-1600 and the Pro3..
How about a newer ASRock motherboard (SLI/Xfire ready) with your HDD?

Be sure to check what they'd be replacing and how much money they'll actually save.

oohoohpickme · Jun 24, 2012

loops · Jun 24, 2012

Merueth :

He needs an OS and a Monitor, so your build is irrelevant.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($33.50 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VS228H-P 21.5" Monitor ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($98.99 @ B&H)
Total: $952.40
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

The problem with your build is that you are overspending on a case, and not spending enough on the video card. I chose to go with the 6870, simply because you don't need any more power for the games you want to play. Motherboard sound is very good nowadays, so I wouldn't worry too much about the sound. Just buy everything from Newegg, other than the processor and the cooler and you should be just under $1000. Note that I didn't include speakers, so hopefully you have a headset

.

Just to inform you on why your build wont perform very well:

AMD has been slipping farther and farther behind intel in terms of processors for the last 7 years. Even a dual core i3 can easily beat the FX series in game performance, and the overclocked i5-2500k crushes the FX-6100 in CPU intensive games, sometimes by more than 10 FPS.
The 550 Ti is about 2 tiers behind the 6870 in terms of performance, and with the 6870 at such low prices, you'd be a fool not to pick one up now, as they drop to below $150. It should easily max out all the games you listed with 60+ FPS.
If you really want a NZXT case, you can find the Source 210, which is $40 ATM, and is quite good for a budget case. $100+ cases are generally used in $1500 builds, and that is without a monitor and an OS!
Finally, the Capstone is a very high-quality PSU, but it doesn't produce enough power to match the TX 650, which is of similar quality, while offering a lot more power.

Overall I like this build...but if you put some time into combos, drop the CPU cooler, cut down to 4 gigs of ram (only need 4 to game and you can add later) and move up a GPU rank it would have my full support.

mousseng · Jun 24, 2012

oohoohpickme :

1) Tough choice - I'd pick the Corsair, though. Higher wattage, and around the same amount of savings.
2) Not if you get a locked CPU like you have there - I'd recommend you spend the extra $10 to get the 3570k and keep the cooler.
3) Yes... but the mobo is a generation old, and the CPU isn't. Look into the ASRock Z77 Pro4 or the ASRock Z77 Extreme4. I linked the Extreme4 in a combo above; the one with SLI/Xfire compatibility.
4) Not sure what you're asking exactly, or that I'd be able to answer regardless.

loops · Jun 24, 2012

Newegg (note combos)

1

NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811146075
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

$39.99
1

XFX FX-785A-CNFC Radeon HD 7850 Core Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814150608
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy
-$20.00 Instant
$15.00 Mail-in Rebate Card

$254.99
$234.99
1

XFX Gift - Dirt3 Game Coupon
Item #: N82E16800989011
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$49.99 Saving

$49.99
$0.00
1

AMD Gift - Dirt SHOWDOWN Gift Coupon
Item #: N82E16800995124
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$59.99 Saving

$59.99
$0.00
1

OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom
Item #: N82E16817341017
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$32.99 Instant
$25.00 Mail-in Rebate Card

$99.99
$67.00
1

ASRock Z77 Pro4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813157296
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822152181
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$30.00 Instant
-$15.00 Combo

$219.98
$174.98
1

Intel Core i5-3450 Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.5GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2500 BX80637I53450
Item #: N82E16819116506
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
Item #: N82E16820233144
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$6.00 Instant
-$9.00 Combo

$254.98
$239.98
Subtotal: $756.94 (-20 code and 40 bucks in MIR) act fast tho: $20 off w/ promo code HDCLS68, ends 6/30

Also pick up a dvd drive once you use the code...

bigcyco1 · Jun 24, 2012

CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 $229.99
Mobo + HDD http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.977954 $219.98
PSU + Ram Combo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.968201 $126.98
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146025#top $59.99
ODD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247 $16.99 Windows Home Premium $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 GPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130759 $199.99
MONITOR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236176 $149.99 comes out to roughly around 1100USD.

loops · Jun 24, 2012

bigcyco1 :

This is also a good build. Good cpu and gpu for the money. But if do pick this up know that the gtx 480 card runs hot. I do think that if you are gunna put a gtx 480 on the table give the OP some links on how to keep it cool if it gets hot. (fan control things or aftermarket coolers) You mau get a lot of negative feedback about the 480. I think this is a good build only if you go in knowing.

bigcyco1 · Jun 24, 2012

You may get a lot of negative feedback about the 480 but despite that it's a powerful card and on your budget is perfect for you.It violently rapes a R6870 :na:

and it does run hot but not so hot you can't use it i have two i gave to my son they run hot but work fine if it gets to hot replace the cooler with this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835426026&Tpk=gelid%20icy%20vision#top problem solved runs cool don't be mislead by the hype the GTX 480 is beast and deserves more respect than it get's it will go toe to toe with a R7870 and a GTX 570 and cost way less

bigcyco1 · Jun 24, 2012

What is more important to you?

Price/performance (disregarding power consumption and heat)
or
higher price for the same thing with better thermals and lower consumption? Gtx 480=570 performance wise but its $100 cheaper

mousseng · Jun 24, 2012

Up top he says he'd like it to be quiet and power efficient. If he decides to stick with that, I'd imagine the closest thing to what he's wanting would be an Ivy/Radeon build until he can afford a GTX 600-series (or Radeon 8000-series, if he's satisfied until then).

If he'd prefer power now, then that 480 build is quite a powerhouse, and something I'd consider going with.

bigcyco1 · Jun 24, 2012

mousseng :

That's true if he wants a way weaker GPU he should go another route i am just showing him best bang for his buck.

oohoohpickme · Jun 25, 2012

@.@ wow guys. It was a bit much techy jargon shoved in one thread but I manged and came up with this build.

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504
OS: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
PSU&RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.968201
CASE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
DVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118031
MOBO&HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.977954
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150549
MONITOR: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236115

It comes out to just about 1100USD(1124+9(shipping for monitor)-30(rebate on GPU))

And now. . . Another set of questions!

1) Is the PSU compatible with this build?
2) What I meant by "I heard that I should scan for bad sectors and format it, should I? And how." was for the HDD.
3) Are there taxes on newegg and how does ShopRunner 2-day shipping for combos work?
4) How will the rebate on my GPU work?
5) And any other pointers you guys have!

TY guys for all the help!

bigcyco1 · Jun 25, 2012

Get rid of that GPU for that price you can have a GTX 570 or R7850 GPU:SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 OC 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card ( 11200-01-20G )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102984#top $249.99

GPU:MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr II GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127682#top $249.99 i have two of these cards and i can overclock to match the performance of the 580. look here it smashes a 6950 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hwcompare.com%2F9021%2Fgeforce-gtx-570-vs-radeon-hd-6950-2gb%2F&ei=lJ3nT8CJHMKo2wWyxq3bCQ&usg=AFQjCNHra86x2hofILYYuVxmI-pTbzRmXw&sig2=dHdYnLgLffTU8u1zW92xrQ and here http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CGwQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anandtech.com%2Fbench%2FProduct%2F293%3Fvs%3D306&ei=lJ3nT8CJHMKo2wWyxq3bCQ&usg=AFQjCNEYNwHGRXfXYN0fZw-gfwST9B8ikw&sig2=dahT6AkgmuNOHHoEPSx2Ng

bigcyco1 · Jun 25, 2012

And yes the PSU is compatible as for the rebate from my understanding you fill out the form for the MIR. When the item comes, you cut out the UPC barcode on the box, and attach it to your order invoice. You then mail all three items to the address listed on the MIR form. After a few weeks, you'll get a check for the rebate amount.I personally never mess with rebates half the time they don't send you the money back for three to four months.

oohoohpickme · Jun 25, 2012

Okay so I'll switch out my GPU for this

PowerColor AX7850 2GBD5-2DH Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131464

Same price as yours, 2GB for getting a better monitor in the future, CrossFireX ready, good adapters, and flashy color.

bigcyco1 · Jun 25, 2012

oohoohpickme :

:lol: cool.

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