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October 29, 2012 1:37:19 PM

Ive heard the intel ...k processors are for people who overclock, this is my first time build so i dont think ill overclock.
I dont know much about the AMD cpu's and im not convinced they are good because i never heard of them unlike Intel (almost every pc has the intel cpu) anyway this is my build and i need to pick a cpu so then i can choose a mobo and then a graphics card.

So far im convinced i want to buy these parts:
RAM: Ripjaws 8gb 2x4gb 1600
OS: Windows 7 64bit
HDD: Seagate barracuda 500gb
PSU: XFX pro 550W
Case: Cooler master 430 elite

Things i dont know which ones to buy:
Heatsink
Graphics card
Motherboard
CPU

I came here to get an idea of what cpu i want to get, at first i picked the i5 3570k because it was new and good, but then someone suggested the i5 - 3470 since im on a tight budget (£600-£650) and i wont be overclocking so i dont need the i5 - 3470k and im just confused on which cpu to get so i came here :D 

I wont be overclocking, no crossfire, mainly for gaming purposes...
Thanks for your time

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October 29, 2012 2:04:13 PM

No need to worry about heatsink if you don't overclock - the CPU box will include one. i5 is a good choice for a gaming CPU, and the 3450 will do fine. Price differences between models are negligible and so are the performance differences (seriously, nobody could perceive the difference between a 3450 and a 3470 or 3550). nVidia GeForce GTX660 is an excellent graphics card and very nicely-priced for the high level of performance.
October 29, 2012 2:34:22 PM

sam_p_lay said:
No need to worry about heatsink if you don't overclock - the CPU box will include one. i5 is a good choice for a gaming CPU, and the 3450 will do fine. Price differences between models are negligible and so are the performance differences (seriously, nobody could perceive the difference between a 3450 and a 3470 or 3550). nVidia GeForce GTX660 is an excellent graphics card and very nicely-priced for the high level of performance.


Thanks, isnt it worth getting the 3470 for the extra £5? which one do you think is better?
the nVidia GeForce gtx660 or Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2048MB ? or are they the same just ''personal choice'' ?
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October 29, 2012 2:37:37 PM

damien_95 said:
Thanks, isnt it worth getting the 3470 for the extra £5? which one do you think is better?
the nVidia GeForce gtx660 or Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2048MB ? or are they the same just ''personal choice'' ?


Well obviously the 3470 is better, just not better enough that you'd notice. But yeah, for £5 why not? :-) I suppose it just becomes a question then of where to draw the line - with tiny price increases for a tiny performance increases, when do you stop adding fivers? Really doesn't matter though, either way is good. And the 7870 is more expensive than the GTX660. Again, small differences - you won't really tell any difference in performance. I've seen 7870s as low as £180 and 660s as low as £165.
October 29, 2012 2:47:36 PM

sam_p_lay said:
Well obviously the 3470 is better, just not better enough that you'd notice. But yeah, for £5 why not? :-) I suppose it just becomes a question then of where to draw the line - with tiny price increases for a tiny performance increases, when do you stop adding fivers? Really doesn't matter though, either way is good. And the 7870 is more expensive than the GTX660. Again, small differences - you won't really tell any difference in performance. I've seen 7870s as low as £180 and 660s as low as £165.



Really? £165? the reason i asked is because i researched and found that they are in the same price range, i must have been looking in the wrong places, where did you find them for 165? I found the 660 on ebay for 190 cheapest (some websites had them for like 220) and the 7870 yeah i find them at 180 aswell, thats why i asked, but seriously where are they for 165? haha thanks
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October 29, 2012 2:53:37 PM

damien_95 said:
Really? £165? the reason i asked is because i researched and found that they are in the same price range, i must have been looking in the wrong places, where did you find them for 165? I found the 660 on ebay for 190 cheapest (some websites had them for like 220) and the 7870 yeah i find them at 180 aswell, thats why i asked, but seriously where are they for 165? haha thanks


I've never bothered with eBay - are you planning to buy used or new? For new, dabs.com, scan.co.uk, aria.co.uk, ebuyer.com, novatech.co.uk are your best bets. Amazon still wasn't great for components last time I looked, but prices may be a bit more competitive now.
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October 29, 2012 2:54:28 PM

Don't confuse the 660 with the 660 Ti by the way - that will set you back £220+ and isn't really worth the extra.
October 29, 2012 4:01:31 PM

The only GTX660's i could find were asus seems like theres no nVidia's out there, do you know of any other cards within £150? or is that the price you pay for a good graphics card?
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October 29, 2012 4:02:26 PM

damien_95 said:
The only GTX660's i could find were asus seems like theres no nVidia's out there, do you know of any other cards within £150? or is that the price you pay for a good graphics card?


Same thing mate :-) nVidia makes the chip, Asus stick it on a circuit board with memory, sockets, etc.
October 29, 2012 6:03:14 PM

haha right, anyway i came up with a conclusion, im getting the intel i5 3450 cpu and Asus P8Z77 VLX, what do you think?
October 29, 2012 6:11:12 PM

Just an aside, but I'd recommend you consider a different case. I've worked with the CM 430 before and it felt like it was made out of tin-foil. I've never had the metal of a case feel so flimsy. The Antec One, 300, and the CM HAF 912 would be some cases I'd recommend.
October 29, 2012 6:21:35 PM

I would say go Nvidia just because they seem to last longer. My Radeon fried in two weeks, my GTX 680 is going strong.

If you go Nvidia, go EVGA. Amazing quality + service.
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October 29, 2012 6:40:25 PM

Looks good to me, and ttg is right about nVidia being a strong choice, though even nVidia cards can die :-) I have a Radeon dead/dying at the moment, the replacement will be nVidia.
October 29, 2012 6:59:09 PM

Do you have any EVGA graphic cards in mind for gaming?
October 29, 2012 7:02:13 PM

Xenturion said:
Just an aside, but I'd recommend you consider a different case. I've worked with the CM 430 before and it felt like it was made out of tin-foil. I've never had the metal of a case feel so flimsy. The Antec One, 300, and the CM HAF 912 would be some cases I'd recommend.


Thanks for the suggestion, i only went for that case because it was cheap and had good reviews on it, now ill go with the antec one even though i liked the CM more but its too expensive, so yeah:) 
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October 29, 2012 7:03:42 PM

damien_95 said:
Do you have any EVGA graphic cards in mind for gaming?


EVGA is another card manufacturer like Asus, so still a GeForce GTX660. The key thing is the chipset (also known as the GPU) and that's the GTX660 bit. The only difference manufacturer makes is potentially warranty duration and reliability (though there are no GeForce manufacturers I'd personally recommend avoiding). Also some manufacturers use custom cooling systems and increase the default speed settings on the card.
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October 29, 2012 7:05:40 PM

I would go with the Cooler Master HAF 912 out of those case choices. Cooler Master makes amazing cases and there HAF line is no exception. It also seems that the better value is the gtx 660 (non ti). And where I don't like the cooling on the EVGA cards (no dependable non reference cooler) I will agree on there customer support and reliability.

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October 29, 2012 8:42:45 PM

AMD CPUs are good. Much cheaper than Intel.

I'm rocking a 965 BE, and I'm loving it. So is another guy that I made a compy for.

The AMD Phenom II x4 965 BE costs £80. The i5 2500k costs £165.
The i5 2500k is, at best, 25% faster the 965. However, the 2500k costs more than double the 965.

Just because pre-built computer companies like Dell only use Intel is a shoddy excuse to not buy AMD, but to be fair, nobody in my school has heard of AMD until a few wanted a new computer.

Anyway, I say the 965 BE. It's a good processor.
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October 29, 2012 8:52:46 PM

MajinCry said:
AMD CPUs are good. Much cheaper than Intel.

I'm rocking a 965 BE, and I'm loving it. So is another guy that I made a compy for.

The AMD Phenom II x4 965 BE costs £80. The i5 2500k costs £165.
The i5 2500k is, at best, 25% faster the 965. However, the 2500k costs more than double the 965.

Just because pre-built computer companies like Dell only use Intel is a shoddy excuse to not buy AMD, but to be fair, nobody in my school has heard of AMD until a few wanted a new computer.

Anyway, I say the 965 BE. It's a good processor.



Don't kid yourself the 2500k beats the snot out of the 965 BE and should warrant the extra cost because its a far superior cpu. Where it may be a good cpu the 965 BE the extra cost of a 2500k is quite warranted. Intel for those not on a tight budget and amd for those who are just the way it is but even those on a budget would go intel.
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October 29, 2012 9:08:11 PM

damien_95 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... this 965 processor had some pretty good reviews on it, might consider getting it but is it like really slow or fast? im on a tight budget and it would help if i got this instead of the intel, is it really that bad?


The 965 is a decent CPU that would easily do whatever you need and be fine with that graphics card. The Intel is better but as most games are GPU bound your graphics card is your limiter so the 2 CPU's would actually give you similar performance.

Your £600 is that just for the undecided parts or for everything you listed? If it's for everything AMD may be the better choice (or realistic choice) as to fit the lot inside £600 you would have to make some compromises for the Intel 3570k/2500k
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October 29, 2012 9:14:01 PM

Here is an idea

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz Quad Core Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/26599/HDZ955FBGMBOX/CP...

Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 PCI-Express ATX Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/77029/GA-970A-DS3/Moth...

Corsair CML8GX3M2A1600C9 LP Vengeance Memory 8GB 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 Two Module Kit
http://www.cclonline.com/product/61774/CML8GX3M2A1600C9...

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Hard Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/66223/ST500DM002/Hard-...

CCL Choice 22x DVD+/-RW Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/92980/CCL-DVDRW-BLK-52...

Xigmatek Asgard Pro Gaming Case
http://www.cclonline.com/product/79782/CCC-AE37BS-U02/C...

OCZ ZS Series 550W 80+ Bronze Power Supply
http://www.cclonline.com/product/60911/OCZ-ZS550W-UK/Po...

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler
http://www.cclonline.com/product/76741/RR-TX3E-22PK-R1/...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
http://www.cclonline.com/product/55272/GFC-02050/Operat...

Palit GeForce GTX 660 Graphics Card 2GB GDDR5
http://www.cclonline.com/product/88749/NE5X66001049-106...

Total - £539.59

Under budget you could buy a 128GB SSD with the leftover for super fast load times

The Phenom II 955 is a lower clocked 965 a small ape with a drumstick could OC it to 965 or 980 levels so it's a good buy.

LP RAM so stupid worthless heatspreaders dont get in the way

PSU is well reviewed and plenty for the build

Case is pretty decent
October 29, 2012 9:18:06 PM

600 is for everything apart from the monitor, and the last thing i want is to buy a cheap processor and have everything else go down the drain right? I mean if its good for a processor then i wouldnt have to get the intel. When you said the intel is better and more warrant in what way did you mean it?
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October 29, 2012 9:18:42 PM

you guys ought read this article parts 1 and 2 it goes into how 3 cores seems to be the sweet spot for gaming currently and I think its a bit silly to recommend AMD as a platform anymore for people. The only AMD chip I would recommend would be the A10 if you were a gamer on a budget. AMD makes great graphic cards but there cpu's are bunk. Either way hopefully you end up with a solution that fits your needs man I just know that AMD chip they recommend for you won't last the long hall.
October 29, 2012 9:19:09 PM

damien_95 said:
Thanks, isnt it worth getting the 3470 for the extra £5? which one do you think is better?
the nVidia GeForce gtx660 or Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2048MB ? or are they the same just ''personal choice'' ?

The 7870 is the better choice. If you get into gpu overclocking you will be so happy you got the 7870 over the 660. The 7870 can be overclocked to performances just a shade lower than stock 7950.
October 29, 2012 9:21:04 PM

ttg_Avenged said:
I would say go Nvidia just because they seem to last longer. My Radeon fried in two weeks, my GTX 680 is going strong.

If you go Nvidia, go EVGA. Amazing quality + service.

I have sapphire 7950s and I haven't had a problem with them ever. Same with my previous radeons. You probably got a bad apple from the bunch which is only due to manufactures fault. And my 7950 probably beats your 680 in performance because of my overclock which is set at 1235MHz. No way any 680 can come close to that.
October 29, 2012 9:25:56 PM

bigshootr8 said:
you guys ought read this article parts 1 and 2 it goes into how 3 cores seems to be the sweet spot for gaming currently and I think its a bit silly to recommend AMD as a platform anymore for people. The only AMD chip I would recommend would be the A10 if you were a gamer on a budget. AMD makes great graphic cards but there cpu's are bunk. Either way hopefully you end up with a solution that fits your needs man I just know that AMD chip they recommend for you won't last the long hall.

Agreed, AMD chips have been unreliable lately.
October 29, 2012 9:31:08 PM

I guess ill stick with the intel, thanks for tryin to help out though wr, ill be struggling to afford this build, oh well haha.
Can you guys tell me which intel i should get? i was thinking of getting one of the two but i dont know which; i5 3450 or 3470
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October 29, 2012 9:34:13 PM

since you are more on a budget the 3450. that cpu will do just fine.
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October 29, 2012 10:22:01 PM

The title of this thread pretty much determined that I would have to step in at some point.
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October 30, 2012 4:25:05 PM

Limerick said:
The 7870 can be overclocked to performances just a shade lower than stock 7950.


But couldn't you argue that the reason for that is there's hardly a colossal performance difference between those two models anyway?

@Proximon, what's so bad about the title?
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October 30, 2012 8:53:41 PM

We have been infected for some time with a kind of argumentative user that feels it's vital to win an argument about which brand of CPU or GPU is best. These people are far more interested in forwarding their favorite, whether Intel, AMD, or Nvidia, than they are interested in actually helping anyone.

Sadly, this attitude is somewhat infectious and long-time users get sucked into these endless debates. Any opportunity to pound their chests, call each other names, and re-post the same old arguments are eagerly seized upon. The thread becomes an attempt to reform the other posters rather than to help the OP.

These forums were not always like this. Once upon a time everyone was happy and each brand of CPU and video card was able to share the spotlight. All the various "fanboys" were happy and arguments could be resolved politely because they could say "well, brand X CPU is good at this price point but at least my brand Y CPU is good at this other price point."

I have deleted 3 posts from this thread so far and will happily delete more as needed.
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