New Game/Rendering comp,need Highest graphics with fraps on!

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So i am trying to make my first good gaming computer where i can render video too. I want a computer where i can play the top games that are out and be able to record them on max settting without lag at all, for good video quality, i have around 1500-1700 budget, and i already have some pieces in mind, but i don't know if i should change some, for better gaming quality! I also don't know which graphic card to go with so far i have this and if i can get any tips on what i should change to make it better id be awesome!!

I don't know much about computers, so i don't know what's best, and i think im mostly conserned about the graphic card, where i think getting a 680 or 670 would be better than 2 7850's since i can add one later on if its not enough, or something. Please any advice would be appreciated since i need something really good for best video quality while recording with fraps which lowers your FPS BY A LOT.

Right now i have a laptop with a 570M and 12 gigs of ram, and tbh i need something way better than this, because with fraps on i can barely record anything without dropping from 30 fps, so i record at 15-20 fps and the videos look like ***, and it's not even the highest graphics.... It's on the lowest.

i7 3770k
Asrock z77 Extreme 4
Radeon 7850 x 2
G-Skill 16 Gb (8 Gb x 2 preferred)
XFX Core Edition Pro 650W
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Corsair 500R
Windows Pro 64 Bit

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157295
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102984
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231556
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207014
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992
 
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They have the same specs and the Seagate is way less expensive so go with the Seagate. As far as SSDs go I'm not the guy to ask. So I would search around on this website for SSD reviews.

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That all looks pretty good to me, and good choice with the Carbide 500R.

You'll need a bit more powerful PSU if you're going to run Crossfire, but if you're going to pay the money for 2 x 7850, you should really get a single 7970 - or an overclocked GTX 670 like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130785

You always want to get the single strongest GPU you can get and don't settle for two weaker ones.
 

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So you think i should get a single 7970 or the GTX 670 you linked and any ideas on a better PSU?
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

Above is a chart that lists the video cards by order of highest to lowest and between Nvidia and AMD. The thing you should consider is going with a single card vs a single card which one is better and not single card vs tow cards which is better because the single card can always become two if needed. So if two 7850's are better then a single GTX 670 then later on you can add another 670 and not neccessarily a third 7850.
So to start out I would go with the GTX 670 which is a very powerful card and if need be add a second one later on.
I don't see a HDD listed , if the budget allows then you can go with a regular HDD and a SSD for the OS/boot drive.

Western Digital Caviar Green WD15EARX 1.5TB 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136892

ADATA S510 Series AS510S3-120GM-O 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - OEM
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211588
 

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Yes - the 670 or 7970 will max out anything you can throw at it on the high resolutions for the next several years. And it uses like 1/2 the power that previous models did.

As far as PSU goes - I use the 950W variant of this model and it works great: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703027

I also didn't see any storage listed (HD, SSD, optical) - what are you going with there or are you going to reuse existing parts?
 

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Sandforce drives - ugh. Go with a Marvell or Indilinx drive like the Crucial M4 or the OCZ Vertex 4.
 

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You think the 670 is better than 7970? And ill trade the ram and upgrade the wats
 

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FX 8150 (Overclock like a beast,Keep up with intel in gaming,Crazy fast at rendering) ($200)
Gtx 670/680 ($400/$500)
16gb Gskill Ram 1600mhz ($100)
OCZ 750 Modular powersupply ($100)
ROG Crosshair V formula ($219)
1tb black caviar hard drive ($110)
60gb ssd (Boot drive) ($55)
NZXT Phantom ($139)
Antec Khuler 920 (Amazing Closed loop cooler) ($100)

about $1224 it will max out all games and render videos in minutes...I built this exact setup for a guy and he has had no problem with it and maxed out every game.
 

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you think the FX 8150 is better than 3770k I7 for video editing and gaming?
And Antec Khuler 920 is better than Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
and is gskill or or mushkin better for ram
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

Here are a couple of charts that you can look at so that you can see for yourself where a cpu or gpu falls in comparison to its competitor.
I like your original list except take out the two 7850's and put a single GTX670. I don't think that in order to keep up with an Intel cpu that you have to overclock the AMD cpu so high and then your forced to get a serious cpu cooler to try and cool the thing down.
The cpu chart above shows you that the AMD cpu's are not better than the Intel cpu's in gaming. The Intel system will also be cooler and quieter because of less heat and you will have to be very experienced to overclock a cpu high enough.
I wouldn't do it when I have an easier option right in front of me that will take less work and less risk.
 

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Thanks for the info man,
so i've made some changes and i'm stuck between some pieces as you can see the or, i read about your CPU statement but i still have doubts on other things, since this is going to be my first comp made, and i'm going to be wasting a good amount of money i just want it to end up good, and not something thats kinda iffy and i'm like damn for just another 100 or 200 i coulda gotten something 2x better you know? SO heres the new list.

Windows Pro 64 Bit
2tb Western Digital Caviar Black
Crucial M4 64GB SSD
ROG Crosshair V formula
Gtx 670/680 or 7970 some reviews saids it better O_O but it's cheaper than 680?
G-Skill or mushkin 16 Gb (8 Gb x 2)
XFX Core Edition Pro 750W or OCZ Fatal1ty 750W Modular or ENERMAX NAXN 750W
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or Antec Khuler 920
Corsair 500R or NZXT Phantom
i7 3770k or FX 8150 (Overclock)

I also don't want to overclock anything myself since i am so unexperienced unless, i can buy it from new eggs already OC and all i have to do is just set it up! XD :p So on everything i put an or please tell me what you think i should get :p
 

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so i've made some changes and i'm stuck between some pieces as you can see the or, since this is going to be my first comp made, and i'm going to be wasting a good amount of money i just want it to end up good, and not something thats kinda iffy and i'm like damn for just another 100 or 200 i coulda gotten something 2x better you know? SO heres the new list.

Windows Pro 64 Bit
2tb Western Digital Caviar Black
Crucial M4 64GB SSD
ROG Crosshair V formula
Gtx 670/680 or 7970 some reviews saids it better O_O but it's cheaper than 680?
G-Skill or mushkin 16 Gb (8 Gb x 2)
XFX Core Edition Pro 750W or OCZ Fatal1ty 750W Modular or ENERMAX NAXN 750W
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or Antec Khuler 920
Corsair 500R or NZXT Phantom
i7 3770k or FX 8150 (Overclock)

I also don't want to overclock anything myself since i am so unexperienced unless, i can buy it from new eggs already OC and all i have to do is just set it up! XD So on everything i put an or please tell me what you think i should get

 

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so i've made some changes and i'm stuck between some pieces as you can see the or, since this is going to be my first comp made, and i'm going to be wasting a good amount of money i just want it to end up good, and not something thats kinda iffy and i'm like damn for just another 100 or 200 i coulda gotten something 2x better you know? SO heres the new list.

Windows Pro 64 Bit
2tb Western Digital Caviar Black
Crucial M4 64GB SSD
ROG Crosshair V formula
Gtx 670/680 or 7970 some reviews saids it better O_O but it's cheaper than 680?
G-Skill or mushkin 16 Gb (8 Gb x 2)
XFX Core Edition Pro 750W or OCZ Fatal1ty 750W Modular or ENERMAX NAXN 750W
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or Antec Khuler 920
Corsair 500R or NZXT Phantom
i7 3770k or FX 8150 (Overclock)

I also don't want to overclock anything myself since i am so unexperienced unless, i can buy it from new eggs already OC and all i have to do is just set it up! XD So on everything i put an or please tell me what you think i should get
 

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First off - do not go with the FX-8150, stick with the 3770K. I couldn't find that motherboard on Newegg - can you provide a link to it?

Try something like this for your motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545

Go with the 500R for your case, the Hyper 212 for your cooler (not a fan of closed liquid loops), go with the Mushkin RAM, and the XFX PSU.

And then yeah some reviews skew heavily toward one side on the GPU - the 670 is still one of the best cards on the market and it's also the best value.
 

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131735 is that motherboard btw, idk much about this but it looks like a boss! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131735

And about the case, i think hyper had 4 stars and the other one has 5 stars or something around that, but i really don't know much and like i said i don't want something i wont regret.

Also when you said your not a fan, whats the difference in the coolers like in a very short sentence because the hyper is like 30$, and the other one is 100$, and i'm pretty sure this is like one of the most important pieces because there are days were i game all day, when i got no girl interference...

Also is the Western digital caviar black any good? And i went with 2TB because fraps takes a lot of memory... like 1 min=1gig.. LOL.

About the graphic card, i know you said the 670 is the best for its value, but the 7970 is near it's value, and which 1 in general gives more fps and can last for longer hours of gaming without an issue, and is the 680 better than both to be worth the 100$ more? And whatever you think one is best, can you give the link from new eggs that you think i should go with?
 

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I agree with g-unit on the motherboard. I have owned one for around a month and its a beast.

I have the UD3H variant and it's quite excellent - the BIOS is one of the easiest I've ever used on any motherboard I've ever owned.

And about the case, i think hyper had 4 stars and the other one has 5 stars or something around that, but i really don't know much and like i said i don't want something i wont regret.

The Corsair 500R is an excellent case - I have the Graphite 600T and it has great cable management.

Also when you said your not a fan, whats the difference in the coolers like in a very short sentence because the hyper is like 30$, and the other one is 100$, and i'm pretty sure this is like one of the most important pieces because there are days were i game all day, when i got no girl interference...

Closed liquid loops generally are not the way to go when a strong air fan will give you the same or better results. With liquid cooling it's too much risk for not a lot of payoff, and my personal take on liquid cooling is to not go with a closed loop. You either go with a real custom loop or not at all. It's mainly for people who really know what they're doing - some swear by it, others don't.

Also is the Western digital caviar black any good? And i went with 2TB because fraps takes a lot of memory... like 1 min=1gig.. LOL.

The Caviar Black HDs are really good - I have a 500GB that I use in an HTPC. However - there were floods in Thailand last year which shut down Western Digital and Seagate's main production plants and caused HD prices to skyrocket. The WD drives are good but you pay huge premiums for them and to me it's not really worth it right now when you can get something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245

About the graphic card, i know you said the 670 is the best for its value, but the 7970 is near it's value, and which 1 in general gives more fps and can last for longer hours of gaming without an issue, and is the 680 better than both to be worth the 100$ more? And whatever you think one is best, can you give the link from new eggs that you think i should go with?

If it's only 1 FPS more the 670 is better - ATI/AMD have some great manufacturers like Sapphire and Power Color, but I personally really like EVGA - their warranty is pretty much unmatched in most of the graphics world. 1 FPS is not really going to make much of a difference in the long run. I'm no fanboy of either - I used to have NVIDIA in my system, now I use a Radeon card but I'd still get the 670 if I had the choice again.
 

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Alrighty, so ive made another quick changes and im still kinda sketchy on somethings and i really love your help btw :p

Windows Pro 64 Bit

2tb Western Digital Caviar Black or Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200 RPM<-Like 90 bucks cheaper but same speed O_O
Crucial M4 128GB SSD

Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131735 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-GIGABYTE-_-13128545 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Motherboards%20-%20Intel-_-ASUS-_-13131837&AID=10440897&PID=3938566&SID=

Gtx 670 (Which brand?)

mushkin 16 Gb (8 Gb x 2)

XFX Core Edition Pro 750W

Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

Corsair 500R or Graphite 600T

i7 3770k

Ok so,

Graphic Card: I'm stuck on the GTX 670 Which brand should i go.

Motherboard, theres 4 motherboards there, which 1 you think i should go with ( I might be adding another 670 on the future, not sure yet if it matters anyways) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131735 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-GIGABYTE-_-13128545 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Motherboards%20-%20Intel-_-ASUS-_-13131837&AID=10440897&PID=3938566&SID=

Case: You suggested the graphite i think or at-least i saw it somewhere... Which one you think i should go for, both around same prize, and i think graphite had better reviews, but it is a bit smaller but i don't know if it matters,

Memory: Do you think Seagate is good? The one i'm getting is 2tb and has 7200 RPM 64MB Cache, and 6.0 GB/s... for 110,Same speed as the WD black but 90 dollars cheaper than the WD Black but the seagate has a lot of bad reviews, but A lot of good reviews too... So i don't know.... Maybe you know if it's good or not?

And after everything I heard the i7 3770k was best for gaming/video rendering.. But idk =p

I went with the cooler master after what you told me, simplicity at its best =)

I stayed with XFX after the good reviews / a lot of people suggested

I heard mushkin was the best if not one of the best for ram, even better than gskill or whatever...

I think you suggested the Crucial m4 and said it was really good so i'm going with 128 GB CM4 for SSD.

Going with windows pro 64 bit, just in-case of more ram and what not...
 

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So if im going with I7 3770k I need to get the Asus? I have 4 different motherboards im stuck on (which one is best for 3770k I7 Motherboard - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131735 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-GIGABYTE-_-13128545 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131837&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-Motherboards%20-%20Intel-_-ASUS-_-13131837&AID=10440897&PID=3938566&SID=
 

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The Asus Crosshair V motherboard is NOT compatable with Intel processors ( the 3770k an intel therefore won't work). IMO the best choice is the GIGABYTE UD5H http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Motherboards+-+Intel-_-GIGABYTE-_-13128545 That is the motherboard I selected after a moths time comparing/research. Its BIOS are great and easy, plus the board itself has So many features. (And the most important thing is, no problems for me after a months use.)
 

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Can that motherboard hold two 670's? And do you think the best brand for 670's is EVGA? And Is the http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=04G-P4-2673-KR&family=GeForce%20600%20Series%20Family&sw worth it, or should i just go for 680, but that 670 is OC