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June 24, 2012 11:49:18 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: end of July

Budget Range: around 2200$

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, movies, internet

Parts Not Required: speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: canadacomputers.com

Country: Canada

Parts Preferences: Nvidia, Intel, Asus for mobo, Kingston for ram and a high quality cpu cooler

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 it needs to be a high quality 120hz monitor

Additional Comments: color match, quiet and well cooled pc with quality components

Here is my build:

NZXT Phantom 410 RED Crafted Mid Tower Case: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6...

ASUS DRW-24B1ST Black SATA 24X DVD-Writer 24xDVD+R/-R 24xDVD+/-R DL 8xDVD+RW/6xDVD-RW 48xCD-R OEM: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3...

Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 22nm (Retail Boxed) Gen3 (BX806237I53570K): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

Noctua NH-C14 Six Heatpipe Dual 140MM fan CPU Cooler for Intel LGA1366, LGA1156, LGA1155, LGA775 & AMD AM2, AM2+, AM3 (backplate required): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8...

Kingston HyperX Red Limited Ed. 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 DIMMs, w/XMP (KHX1600C9D3B1RK2/8GX): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SteelSeries 6G V2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (64225) (Retail Box): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Logitech (910-001260) G500, 5700dpi Gaming Laser Mouse (Retail Box): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Asus VG236HE, 23" 3D 120Hz LCD Monitor, 1920x1080, 2ms, 100000:1(DCR), Dual DVI-D, HDMI: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Asus Maximus V GENE Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset Dual channel 4 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2x PCI-Express 3.0 x16 GLAN 8-CH High Definition Audio 2x SATA 3.0Gb/s 2x SATA 6.0Gb/s 1x eSATA 3Gb/s 1 x mini-SATA 3Gb/s 8x USB 3.0 10x USB 2.0 Micro ATX: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Seasonic X-760 Fully Modular 80PLUS Gold 760W PSU (SS-760KM Active PFC F3): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3...

Plextor M3 Series 128GB 2.5" SATA3 6GB/s Solid State Drive (SSD), Read: 510MB/s, Write: 210MB/s (PX-128M3S): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=1...

EVGA GeForce GTX 690 4096MB GDDR5 (04G-P4-2690-KR) nVidia GeForce GTX 690 Chipset (1019Mhz) 4096MB GDDR5 (6008Mhz) 3x DVI-I/Mini Display Port PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

I appreciate the feedback, thank you.
June 24, 2012 11:52:15 PM

Probably not at 120fps, but close enough. FYI, you don't need 120fps to make full use of 120Hz.
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June 24, 2012 11:54:19 PM

What do you mean? O and btw, I am not interested in 3d. Just 2d 120hz gaming for games like battlefield3, cs, cod, skyrim, etc.
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June 24, 2012 11:55:43 PM

LonelyMan said:
Approximate Purchase Date: end of July

Budget Range: around 2200$

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, movies, internet

Parts Not Required: speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: canadacomputers.com

Country: Canada

Parts Preferences: Nvidia, Intel, Asus for mobo, Kingston for ram and a high quality cpu cooler

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 it needs to be a high quality 120hz monitor

Additional Comments: color match, quiet and well cooled pc with quality components

Here is my build:

NZXT Phantom 410 RED Crafted Mid Tower Case: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6...

ASUS DRW-24B1ST Black SATA 24X DVD-Writer 24xDVD+R/-R 24xDVD+/-R DL 8xDVD+RW/6xDVD-RW 48xCD-R OEM: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3...

Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 22nm (Retail Boxed) Gen3 (BX806237I53570K): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

Noctua NH-C14 Six Heatpipe Dual 140MM fan CPU Cooler for Intel LGA1366, LGA1156, LGA1155, LGA775 & AMD AM2, AM2+, AM3 (backplate required): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8...

Kingston HyperX Red Limited Ed. 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 DIMMs, w/XMP (KHX1600C9D3B1RK2/8GX): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

SteelSeries 6G V2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard (64225) (Retail Box): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Logitech (910-001260) G500, 5700dpi Gaming Laser Mouse (Retail Box): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Asus VG236HE, 23" 3D 120Hz LCD Monitor, 1920x1080, 2ms, 100000:1(DCR), Dual DVI-D, HDMI: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Asus Maximus V GENE Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset Dual channel 4 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2x PCI-Express 3.0 x16 GLAN 8-CH High Definition Audio 2x SATA 3.0Gb/s 2x SATA 6.0Gb/s 1x eSATA 3Gb/s 1 x mini-SATA 3Gb/s 8x USB 3.0 10x USB 2.0 Micro ATX: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=2...

Seasonic X-760 Fully Modular 80PLUS Gold 760W PSU (SS-760KM Active PFC F3): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3...

Plextor M3 Series 128GB 2.5" SATA3 6GB/s Solid State Drive (SSD), Read: 510MB/s, Write: 210MB/s (PX-128M3S): http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=1...

EVGA GeForce GTX 690 4096MB GDDR5 (04G-P4-2690-KR) nVidia GeForce GTX 690 Chipset (1019Mhz) 4096MB GDDR5 (6008Mhz) 3x DVI-I/Mini Display Port PCI Express 3.0 Graphics Card: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4...

I appreciate the feedback, thank you.


That GTX 690 is overkilled for that 23'' monitor you have. Get a single GTX 680 or a binned preoverclocked GTX 670 like the Asus TOP or EVGA GTX 670 FTW instead.
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June 24, 2012 11:57:01 PM

Nvm, at 1080p, you will get 120fps, but I see no need when 120Hz doesn't need 120fps to be useful. I agree with the above.
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June 24, 2012 11:57:49 PM

Flare01 said:
That GTX 690 is overkilled for that 23'' monitor you have. Get a single GTX 680 or a binned preoverclocked GTX 670 like the Asus TOP or EVGA GTX 670 FTW instead.



It is not overkill since a single 680 won't push 120fps with max aa and ultra settings. Also, I would like this build to last me 3-4 years.
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June 24, 2012 11:59:27 PM

Actually, it is, because 120fps is not needed to get perfect smooth gameplay.
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June 25, 2012 12:00:43 AM

Or maybe i could get 2 gtx 670 power editions since they will have voltage control? Will they be better than 1 690?
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June 25, 2012 12:01:15 AM

Yeah, they should be cheaper, but why do you want 120fps+?
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June 25, 2012 12:02:07 AM

azeem40 said:
Actually, it is, because 120fps is not needed to get perfect smooth gameplay.


Than what is the point of 120hz monitors if you do not need 120fps for perfect gameplay, besides 3d?
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June 25, 2012 12:03:17 AM

Read post 2.
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June 25, 2012 12:04:39 AM

azeem40 said:
Read post 2.


So you mean I can keep the monitor and still get the benefit of it with say 90fps?
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June 25, 2012 12:05:22 AM

Whether it is 120fps or 60fps, you will get a much smoother gameplay.
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June 25, 2012 12:06:19 AM

I agree with Flare01. Get a single GTX 680 or a preoverclocked binned GTX 670 instead. Your eyes cannot tell the difference between 120 fps vs 60 fps unless you have FRAPS on and you see the little number on the upper corner of the screen to tell you whether its 120 or 60.
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June 25, 2012 12:07:25 AM

azeem40 said:
Whether it is 120fps or 60fps, you will get a much smoother gameplay.


Okay, then I need to change the GPU. Do I need 4gb of vram for the GPU so I know which model I can get to replace the 690?
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June 25, 2012 12:08:33 AM

jacknhut said:
I agree with Flare01. Get a single GTX 680 or a preoverclocked binned GTX 670 instead. Your eyes cannot tell the difference between 120 fps vs 60 fps unless you have FRAPS on and you see the little number on the upper corner of the screen to tell you whether its 120 or 60.


So should i keep this monitor or get a 60hz or 75hz one instead?Or maybe an IPS panel at 60hz?
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June 25, 2012 12:09:07 AM

At 1080p, no, you do not need 4GB unless you run at 5760x1080, and even then, that is only if you play BF3.
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June 25, 2012 12:12:21 AM

azeem40 said:
At 1080p, no, you do not need 4GB unless you run at 5760x1080, and even then, that is only if you play BF3.


Okay, with the future proofing in mind, which of these is the best?

EVGA gtx 670 FTW
MSI gtx 670 power edition
Asus gtx 670 top edition(but i hear they have problems)
Msi gtx 680 lightning(my favourite)
Or another EVGA gtx680, they are so many of them woah.....
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June 25, 2012 12:13:02 AM

LonelyMan said:
So should i keep this monitor or get a 60hz or 75hz one instead?Or maybe an IPS panel at 60hz?


To be honest, i would rather get a good IPS 26-27'' monitor rather than 23'' with 120 Hz. If you have the money, a 30'' monitor with 2560 resolution is best.
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June 25, 2012 12:13:52 AM

ASUS TOP, unless you plan to CF/SLI.
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June 25, 2012 12:15:59 AM

This is what I'd do.



You don't need a 690 to play max settings on games.
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June 25, 2012 12:16:18 AM

jacknhut said:
To be honest, i would rather get a good IPS 26-27'' monitor rather than 23'' with 120 Hz. If you have the money, a 30'' monitor with 2560 resolution is best.


Sorry, 2560 resolution is too expensive for me. How is the Dell u2312hm for gaming?It is an IPS monitor, 60hz, 1920 by 1080 resolution.
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June 25, 2012 12:17:57 AM

eqwoody said:
This is what I'd do.

http://i.imgur.com/Bi2PQ.jpg

You don't need a 690 to play max settings on games.


Is the Hyper 212 Evo silent? And how does it perform compared to the noctua one I chose?
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June 25, 2012 12:20:22 AM

The U2312HM is good, but if you play BF3, it might not bring optimal experience.
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June 25, 2012 12:20:52 AM

LonelyMan said:
Is the Hyper 212 Evo silent? And how does it perform compared to the noctua one I chose?


I've used the noctua before. It's a great cooler. I chose the hyper 212 because it's a great price vs performance value. It's the most popular air cooler on the market and it works great. As far as it being silent, I guess that all depends on the fans you decide to use and the speeds you run them at.
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June 25, 2012 12:21:06 AM

LonelyMan said:
Sorry, 2560 resolution is too expensive for me. How is the Dell u2312hm for gaming?It is an IPS monitor, 60hz, 1920 by 1080 resolution.


Not a good choice especially for gaming due to 8 ms Grey to Grey response time. You want a monitor with 2 ms grey to grey response time or highest is 4 ms for gaming without seeing ghosting effects.
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June 25, 2012 12:22:05 AM

2ms GTG is not needed lol. You obviously haven't seen forums where people talk about the U2312HM.
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June 25, 2012 12:23:38 AM

Okay I decided to switch the 690 to a 680 lighting. I consider that voltage control to overclock the card more as well as custom cooling is worth it over anything else evga or asus have to offer. I will keep the seasonic x-760 since its only 5$ more than the x-560. Still undecided on a monitor. The dell u2312hm or one from asus?
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June 25, 2012 12:23:48 AM

As a matter of fact, I have. That doesn't negate the fact that the monitor has 8 ms response time which may produce ghosting during action games like BF3.
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June 25, 2012 12:25:12 AM

LonelyMan said:
Okay I decided to switch the 690 to a 680 lighting. I consider that voltage control to overclock the card more as well as custom cooling is worth it over anything else evga or asus have to offer. I will keep the seasonic x-760 since its only 5$ more than the x-560. Still undecided on a monitor. The dell u2312hm or one from asus?


This is a smart choice, For single monitor you're saving yourself almost $500 to put towards more parts or a better monitor.
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June 25, 2012 12:26:33 AM

Also, while I agree with azeem40 and the others about there being no noticeable difference between 120 fps and 60 fps, that's not exactly solving his original question. He wants the build to last him 3-4 years, and for that purpose, getting a gtx 690 would be more understandable, but still not as good as getting a gtx 670 for getting 60+ fps on any of today's games with high settings, and getting another 670 down the road to get 60+ fps in tomorrow's games.
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June 25, 2012 12:27:33 AM

The hyper 212 evo may be good value, but as you said I will need to change the fans, which also cost, where the noctua is silent at all times and performs very good. Plus, they have a nice customer service. For me, that is worth another 3 hours at work lol.
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June 25, 2012 12:27:46 AM

jacknhut said:
As a matter of fact, I have. That doesn't negate the fact that the monitor has 8 ms response time which may produce ghosting during action games like BF3.

Then you'd know that the response time is not everything. I don't see any correlation here.
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June 25, 2012 12:28:50 AM

Augray37 said:
Also, while I agree with azeem40 and the others about there being no noticeable difference between 120 fps and 60 fps, that's not exactly solving his original question. He wants the build to last him 3-4 years, and for that purpose, getting a gtx 690 would be more understandable, but still not as good as getting a gtx 670 for getting 60+ fps on any of today's games with high settings, and getting another 670 down the road to get 60+ fps in tomorrow's games.


This is a good option as well. If the past has told us anything about the X90's is that they are great cards, but never really stick around past their current generation. They discontinue them and are harder to find. a 670 with a future 670 is a good choice. Or you can do 680 and get a 680 later. With his budget he could really go either way.
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June 25, 2012 12:30:21 AM

LonelyMan said:
The hyper 212 evo may be good value, but as you said I will need to change the fans, which also cost, where the noctua is silent at all times and performs very good. Plus, they have a nice customer service. For me, that is worth another 3 hours at work lol.


You don't HAVE to change the fans. You can get whatever you want.
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June 25, 2012 12:31:27 AM

I think i got a bit eager at getting the best of the best. I now realize that the 690 is foolishness for a single monitor. I think that if the 680 lighting will not cut it anymore, i can sell it and get the lighting of whatever generation happens to be at that time because the gtx 670 sli will get outmatched by a single card in 1.5 years anyway, just like the gtx 570 sli are vs 680.
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June 25, 2012 12:32:22 AM

azeem40 said:
Then you'd know that the response time is not everything. I don't see any correlation here.


Actually there is a correlation between response time and lag ghosting. While it is not the only determination factor, but it does contribute to it. If he is that picky about 120 Hz refresh rate on a monitor, why risk buying a high response time monitor knowing full well its not ideal for fast action games due to the potential lag ghosting effects?
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June 25, 2012 12:32:54 AM

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June 25, 2012 12:32:56 AM

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June 25, 2012 12:34:54 AM

LonelyMan said:
What are you trying to prove? I already chose the i5 in my build, i have no intention of getting an x79 build lol.


I was just giving you some articles showing that the GTX 690 (paired with an i7-3960x) can push nearly any game past 120 fps on 1920x1080p on ultra settings with AA enabled. It was the only article I could find at the moment that showed gtx 690 fps results, but since it was paired with a different CPU than the one you picked, I found a second article that showed that the difference between your CPU and the one from the first article wasn't a major one when it comes to gaming. Just tryin to help :/ 
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June 25, 2012 12:36:37 AM

jacknhut said:
Actually there is a correlation between response time and lag ghosting. While it is not the only determination factor, but it does contribute to it. If he is that picky about 120 Hz refresh rate on a monitor, why risk buying a high response time monitor knowing full well its not ideal for fast action games due to the potential lag ghosting effects?

Ok, then show me data on an 8ms response time monitor vs 2ms. The HM is good for gaming and I have the pages to prove it, incase you want to see.
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June 25, 2012 12:39:25 AM

Augray37 said:
I was just giving you some articles showing that the GTX 690 (paired with an i7-3960x) can push nearly any game past 120 fps on 1920x1080p on ultra settings with AA enabled. It was the only article I could find at the moment that showed gtx 690 fps results, but since it was paired with a different CPU than the one you picked, I found a second article that showed that the difference between your CPU and the one from the first article wasn't a major one when it comes to gaming. Just tryin to help :/ 


O.O. I'm sorry, i'm still a beginner in computers and did not know the relation of those links. Now that you explained it in further detail, it makes sense. But since the general consensus is that I won't be able to tell the difference between 60 fps and 120fps, I decided not to get the 690 and get the 680 lightning instead. Still, I am undecided on a monitor. Some people say that the u2312hm is good, others say it is not.I'm confused :( 
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June 25, 2012 12:41:33 AM

azeem40 said:
Ok, then show me data on an 8ms response time monitor vs 2ms. The HM is good for gaming and I have the pages to prove it, incase you want to see.


Wow you are serious ? Are you saying the 8 ms response time monitor has no lag ghosting at all? I not only have pages but dozen reviews to back that up.

Look here for the review of that monitor. The author concludes that while it has good image quality, this is no doubt, but it also has minor/moderate ghosting due to high response time.

"In gaming scenarios, we found this panel to be just as good as its bigger brother the U2412M. In fact, we slightly prefer it. Both have the same published response rate, but if we had to decide which one was better, our initial impression would be that the panel used in the U2312HM is actually the faster of the two. In both cases the amount of image blurring / ghosting is only moderate and you will probably only notice it if you’re looking for it, but it does stand out from time to time.

While we still would not recommend the U2312HM for hardcore gamers, for most consumers its minor to moderate ghosting is more than made up for by the massive increase in image quality. Unless your games really accentuate this issue, you will be focusing most of your attention upon the stunning picture the display creates rather than noticing the occasional hiccup."

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

Now its your turn to show me data to back up claims that the 8ms response time monitor has no lag ghosting.
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June 25, 2012 12:42:00 AM

LonelyMan said:
I think i got a bit eager at getting the best of the best. I now realize that the 690 is foolishness for a single monitor. I think that if the 680 lighting will not cut it anymore, i can sell it and get the lighting of whatever generation happens to be at that time because the gtx 670 sli will get outmatched by a single card in 1.5 years anyway, just like the gtx 570 sli are vs 680.


Idk, I've read about the GTX 670 being awfully close in performance to the GTX 680. My thinking was, if this is true, that having two 670s down the line would save quite a bit of power compared to two 680s while giving close to the same performance as them.
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June 25, 2012 12:42:16 AM

Those who just see response time and number next to it not being 2ms assume the monitor is bad. There is more to ghosting than just response time. Input lag is also important, and the HM has 10.6ms of it, which is basically unnoticeable.
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June 25, 2012 12:47:44 AM

azeem40 said:
Those who just see response time and number next to it not being 2ms assume the monitor is bad. There is more to ghosting than just response time. Input lag is also important, and the HM has 10.6ms of it, which is basically unnoticeable.


I never said the monitor is bad in terms of image quality. If you read my post above, you will see that I say it is not a good choice due to potential lag ghosting.

To the OP, I just pointed out for you that the monitor you pick while has very good image quality, it also has that minor/moderate lag ghosting effects especially in fast action games if you look for it. Now its your choice to make up your mind whether that is significant or not.
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June 25, 2012 12:47:51 AM

Well the Dell monitor got good reviews on newegg, and the tft central review also likes it. If this monitor might have problems, then is there another IPS monitor that is better but not over 300$?I'd prefer an IPS over a TN because of superior image quality.
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