Second grade cpu's

After intel grades it's cpu's what does it do with the slow ones? I ask this because of the following....

I posted some buying requests on websites like ec21, alibaba.com and a few others and a heap of prospective Chinese suppliers, apparently verified by these websites, are offering me quotes for CPUs cheap claiming they are genuine i7 3770's (for like $80 US), or 3960x for $260Us.

Are these prices the real deal, second grade cpu's being flogged off, or just scammers?

I'm researching sourcing overseas because I'm trying to find more competitive prices from suppliers. there are a couple of well known online sellers in my country selling components at ridiculously cheap prices that leave me ( and a large number of other resellers) with almost zero profit when trying to match their pricing. My distributers just keep telling me

- that's how it is and to live with it or,
- they must be getting them from china.


Can u even buy first rate intel CPUs out of china direct for these prices?
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  1. Scam or copies! Intel has published batch prices.
  2. 99.99999% chance its scammers. Intel sells the cpus to system builders at a specified price which is at most 20% lower than the retail price on online sites. Anything below thats below the price intel set from an unreliable site is most likely a scam.
  3. Now before i go on,

    i wold just like to ensure that you all understand...i am not providing a plug for this business. I have removed all details except the supplier name simply because if they are dodgy some of you will know the name.

    I live in Australia, am new to purchasing computer components wholesale. I already have accounts with 3 reputable and well known suppliers here in my country (Mittoni, MMT, and WholesaleIT) however, i am genuinely trying to make sense of the buy from China thing.

    Take a look at this quotation. This one seems like one of the more legit efforts to provide a quote. i have about a 6 just like it... and a dozen other in the last 24 hours that are cheaper but obvious con jobs!!!

    How is this supplier doing this...are they selling Intel Seconds grade processors, or used processors or what. I do understand that a lot of these processors are old stock...but some are current models! :??:

    By the Way, the price is the number on the RHS
    eg Perntuim G530 (tray) 2C....HD G1000 21 (price is $21US)


    Carst Electronic Technology Co., Ltd


    ● LGA 1155 (applicable to H61/H67/P67/Z68 MB)
    model Core specification price(USD)
    Pentium G530(tray) 2C 2.4G/2MB/32nm/HD G1000 21
    Pentium G620(tray) 2C 2.6G/3MB/32nm/HD G1000 28
    Pentium G620(box) 2C 2.6G/3MB/32nm/HD G1000 35
    Pentium G630(tray) 2C 2.7G/3MB/32nm/HD G1000 28
    Pentium G840(box) 2C 2.8G/3MB/32nm/HD G1000 45
    Core i3 2100(tray) 2C 3.1G/3MB/32nm/HT/HD G2000 53
    Core i3 2100(box) 2C 3.1G/3MB/32nm/HT/HD G2000 57
    Core i3 2105(box) 2C 3.1G/3MB/32nm/HT/HD G3000 63
    Core i3 2120(box) 2C 3.3G/3MB/32nm/HT/HD G2000 61
    Core i5 2300(tray) 4C 2.8G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 84
    Core i5 2300(box) 4C 2.8G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 93
    Core i5 2310(tray) 4C 2.9G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 85
    Core i5 2310(box) 4C 3.0G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 95
    Core i5 2320(tray) 4C 3.0G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 90
    Core i5 2320(box) 4C 3.0G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 95
    Core i5 2400(tray) 4C 3.1G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 93
    Core i5 2400(box) 4C 3.1G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 98
    Core i5 2500(box) 4C 3.3G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 103
    Core i5 2500K UNLOCKED (box) 4C 3.3G/6MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0 110
    Core i7 2600(tray) 4C 3.4G/8MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0/HT 147
    Core i7 2600(box) 4C 3.4G/8MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0/HT 149
    Core i7 2600K UNLOCKED (tray) 4C 3.4G/8MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0/HT 156
    Core i7 2600K UNLOCKED (box) 4C 3.4G/8MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0/HT 180
    Core i7 2700K UNLOCKED (box) 4C 3.5G/8MB/32nm/95W/TB2.0/HT 230
    ● LGA 2011(applicable to X79 MB)
    Core i7-3930K(box) 6C 3.2G/12MB/32nm/HT 396
    Core i7-3960X(tray) 6C 3.3G/15MB/32nm/HT 579
    Core i7-3960X(box) 6C 3.3G/15MB/32nm/HT 634
    ● LGA 1156(applicable to H55/H57/P55 MB)
    Pentium G6950(tray) 2C 2.8G/3MB/32nm 29
    Core i3-530(tray) 2C 2.93G/4MB/32nm/HT 42
    Core i3-530(box) 2C 2.93G/4MB/32nm/HT 58
    Core i3-540(tray) 2C 3.06G/4MB/32nm/HT 40
    Core i3-540(box) 2C 3.06G/4MB/32nm/HT 49
    Core i3-550(tray) 2C 3.2G/4MB/32nm/HT 44
    Core i5-661(tray) 2C 3.33G/4MB/32nm/73W/TB2.0/HT 51
    Core i5-670(tray) 2C 3.46G/4MB/32nm/87W/Turbo/HT 70
    Core i5-750(tray) 4C 2.66G/8MB/45nm/95W/Turbo 67
    Core i5-750S(tray) 4C 2.4G/8MB/45nm/95W/Turbo 63
    Core i5-760(tray) 4C 2.8G/8MB/45nm/95W/Turbo 69
    Core i5-760(box) 4C 2.8G/8MB/45nm/95W/Turbo 83
    Core i7-860(tray) 4C 2.8G/8MB/45nm/95W/Turbo/HT 99
    Core i7-860(box) 4C 2.8G/8MB/45nm/95W/Turbo/HT 107
    Core i7-870(tray) 4C 2.93G/8MB/45nm/95W/Turbo/HT 101
    Core i7-875K(tray) 4C 2.93G/8MB/45nm/95W/Turbo/HT 116
    ● LGA 1366(applicable to X58 MB)
    Core i7-920(tray) 4C 2.66G/4.8GT/8MB/45nm/130W 100
    Core i7-930(tray) 4C 2.8G/4.8GT/8MB/45nm/130W 103
    Core i7-940(tray) 4C 2.93G/4.8GT/8MB/45nm/130W 109
    Core i7-950(tray) 4C 3.06G/4.8GT/8MB/45nm/130W 123
    Core i7-950(box) 4C 3.06G/4.8GT/8MB/45nm/130W 158
    Core i7-960(tray) 4C 3.06G/4.8GT/8MB/45nm/130W 130
    Core i7-960(box) 4C 3.06G/4.8GT/8MB/45nm/130W 166
    Core i7-975 Extreme(tray) 4C 3.33G/6.4GT/8MB/45nm/130W 436
    Core i7-980X Extreme(tray) 6C 3.3G/6.4GT/12MB/32nm/130W 444
    Core i7-990X Extreme(box) 6C 3.46G/6.4GT/12MB/32nm/130W 507
    ● LGA 775
    model Core specification price
    Pentium E2140(tray) 2C 1.6G/800MHz/1MB/65nm 18
    Pentium E2160(tray) 2C 1.8G/800MHz/1MB/65nm 19
    Pentium E2180(tray) 2C 2.0G/800MHz/1MB/65nm 20
    Celeron E3300(tray) 2C 2.5G/800MHz/1MB/45nm 19
    Celeron E3400(tray) 2C 2.6G/800MHz/1MB/45nm 21
    Celeron E3500(tray) 2C 2.7G/800MHz/1MB/45nm 22
    Pentium E5200(tray) 2C 2.5G/800MHz/2MB/45nm 27
    Pentium E5300(tray) 2C 2.6G/800MHz/2MB/45nm 28
    Pentium E5400(tray) 2C 2.7G/800MHz/2MB/45nm 28
    Pentium E5400(box) 2C 2.7G/800MHz/2MB/45nm 32
    Pentium E5500(tray) 2C 2.8G/800MHz/2MB/45nm 29
    Pentium E5800(tray) 2C 3.2G/800MHz/2MB/45nm 30
    Pentium E6500(tray) 2C 2.93G/1066MHz/2MB/45nm 31
    Pentium E6500(box) 2C 2.93G/1066MHz/2MB/45nm 33
    Pentium E6700(tray) 2C 3.2G/1066MHz/2MB/45nm 28
    Core 2 E7400(tray) 2C 2.8G/1066MHz/3MB/45nm 49
    Core 2 E7500(tray) 2C 2.93G/1066MHz/3MB/45nm 51
    Core 2 E7500(box) 2C 2.93G/1066MHz/3MB/45nm 54
    Core 2 E8200(tray) 2C 2.66G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 46
    Core 2 E8300(tray) 2C 2.83G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 48
    Core 2 E8400(tray) 2C 3.0G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 59
    Core 2 E8500(tray) 2C 3.16G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 61
    Core 2 E8600(tray) 2C 3.33G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 100
    Core 2 E8700(tray) 2C 3.5G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 104
    Core 2 Q6600(tray) 4C 2.4G/1333MHz/8MB/65nm/VT 43
    Core 2 Q8200(tray) 4C 2.33G/1333MHz/4MB/45nm 55
    Core 2 Q8300(tray) 4C 2.5G/1333MHz/4MB/45nm/ 59
    Core 2 Q8400(tray) 4C 2.66G/1333MHz/4MB/45nm//VT 61
    Core 2 Q9300(tray) 4C 2.5G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 65
    Core 2 Q9400(tray) 4C 2.66G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 88
    Core 2 Q9500S(tray) 4C 2.83G/1333MHz/6MB/45nm/VT 93
    Core 2 Q9450(tray) 4C 2.66G/1333MHz/12MB/45nm/VT 92
    Core 2 Q9550(tray) 4C 2.83G/1333MHz/12MB/45nm/VT 119
    Core 2 Q9650(tray) 4C 3.0G/1333MHz/12MB/45nm/VT 122
    Core 2 QX9650(box) 4C 3.0G/1333MHz/12MB/45nm/VT 123






    ● FM1
    model Core specification price
    A8-3850(box) 4C 2900MHz/4MB/32nm/HD6550D 79
    A6-3500(box) 3C 2100MHz/3MB/32nm/HD6530D 43
    A4-3400(box) 2C 2700MHz/1MB/32nm/HD6450D 31
    A4-3300(box) 2C 2500MHz/1MB/32nm/HD6450D 26
    Athlon II X4 631(tray) 4C 2600MHz/4MB/32nm/No GPU 35
    Athlon II X4 631(box) 4C 2600MHz/4MB/32nm/No GPU 37
    ● AM3+ “Bulldozer”
    model Core specification price
    FX8150(box) 6C 3600MHz/4+8MB/32nm/ 178
    FX8120(box) 6C 3100MHz/8+8MB/32nm/ 130
    FX6100(box) 6C 2700MHz/6+8MB/32nm/ 93
    FX4100(box) 4C 3600MHz/4+8MB/32nm/ 68
    ● AM2+/AM3
    model Core specification price
    Sempron SP130(tray) C 2600MHz/512KB/45nm 11
    Athlon X2 5200(tray) 2C 2300MHz/1MB/45nm 23
    Sempron II X2 180(box) 2C 2400Mhz/1MB/45nm 24
    Athlon II X2 220(tray) 2C 2800MHz/1MB/45nm 23
    Athlon II X2 240(tray) 2C 2800MHz/2MB/45nm 25
    Athlon II X2 245(tray) 2C 2900MHz/2MB/45nm 26
    Athlon II X2 250(tray) 2C 3000MHz/2MB/45nm 28
    Athlon II X2 250(box) 2C 3000MHz/2MB/45nm 31
    Athlon II X2 255(tray) 2C 3100MHz/2MB/45nm 29
    Athlon II X2 255(box) 2C 3100MHz/2MB/45nm 30
    Athlon II X2 260(box) 2C 3200MHz/2MB/45nm 32
    Athlon II X2 270(tray) 2C 3400MHz/2MB/45nm 28
    Athlon II X3 445(tray) 3C 3100MHz/1.5MB/45nm 27
    Athlon II X3 445(box) 3C 3100MHz/1.5MB/45nm 34
    Athlon II X3 450(box) 3C 3200MHz/1.5MB/45nm 35
    Athlon II X4 630(tray) 4C 2800MHz/2MB/45nm 36
    Athlon II X4 640(tray) 4C 3000MHz/2MB/45nm 52
    Athlon II X4 640(box) 4C 3000MHz/2MB/45nm 59
    Athlon II X4 645(tray) 4C 3100MHz/2MB/45nm 60
    Athlon II X4 645(box) 4C 3100MHz/2MB/45nm 68
    Athlon II X4 650(tray) 4C 3200MHz/2MB/45nm 39
    Phenom II X2 545(box) 2C 3000MHz/1+6MB/45nm 47
    Phenom II X2 555(box) 2C 3200MHz/1+6MB/45nm 43
    Phenom II X2 560(box) 2C 3300MHz/1+6MB/45nm 46
    Phenom II X3 720(tray) 3C 2800MHz/1.5MB+6/45nm 43
    Phenom II X4 810(tray) 4C 2600MHz/2+4MB/45nm 34
    Phenom II X4 820(tray) 4C 2800MHz/2+4MB/45nm 33
    ● AM2
    model Core specification price
    Sempron X2 2100+(tray) 2C 1800MHz/512KB/65nm 7
    Athlon 64 X2 4000+(tray) 2C 2100MHz/1MB/65nm 15
    Athlon 64 X2 4200+(tray) 2C 2200MHz/1MB/65nm 15
    Athlon 64 X2 4400+(tray) 2C 2300MHz/1MB/65nm 16
    Athlon 64 X2 4600+(tray) 2C 2400MHz/1MB/65nm 17
    Athlon 64 X2 4800+(tray) 2C 2500MHz/1MB/65nm 17
    Athlon 64 X2 5000+(tray) 2C 2600MHz/1MB/65nm 19
    Athlon 64 X2 5200+(tray) 2C 2700MHz/1MB/65nm 20
    Athlon 64 X2 5400+(tray) 2C 2800MHz/1MB/65nm 22
    Athlon 64 X2 5600+(tray) 2C 2900MHz/1MB/65nm 24
    Athlon 64 X2 5800+(tray) 2C 3000MHz/1MB/65nm 23
    Athlon 64 X2 6000+(tray) 2C 3000MHz/2MB/65nm 27
    Athlon 64 X2 6400+(tray) 2C 3200MHz/2MB/90nm 55
    Athlon 64 X2 6400+(box) 2C 3200MHz/2MB/90nm 63
  4. Hi :)

    I buy a LOT of cpus for my shops.... in the UK...

    NOBODY can buy for those prices....

    There are no second grade cpus by the way...they either work or not....neither AMD or Intel sell them to China if faulty....

    One further thought (knowing how these scams usually work)...

    Is there a MINIMUM quantity and do YOU have to pay in ADVANCE....

    As its totally impossible to get money back from ANY business in China and a foreign National (you) CANNOT sue a Chinese national.....

    All the best Brett :)
  5. you will be scammed out of your money if you buy.
  6. Hey Brett,
    They have not mentioned MOB yet. im going to ask that when i reply to their quote email.

    Is it possible they are buying in large enough qantities to be able to reduce their price to that amoun. Based on an earlier reply to my thread "iintel sells for approx 20% below retail pricing"...i worked out that these prices are probably a little on the low side.

    For example,
    one of my suppliers, WhoesaleIT, sell me the 3930K for...er...hang on just got to log back into to my supplier trade account...

    ok here's my pricing beakdown for i7 3930K

    My supplier price to me = $543.98 (ex gst =10% in our country)
    A competitor i have is selling online for = $595 (ex gst) (CORRECTION INCLUDING 10%gst)
    China supplier quote = $396

    now if what the earlier reply says in one of my threads is correct...if i take 20% off my price of $543.98 my supplier is getting them from intel for... $435.18 (ex gst).

    Now if the china supplier is offering the same processor for $396 and i take import duties (approx 5% i believe) and freight into consideration...then this price is close to being reasonable i reckon!

    what do you guys think???
  7. adamjedgar said:
    Hey Brett,
    They have not mentioned MOB yet. im going to ask that when i reply to their quote email.

    Is it possible they are buying in large enough qantities to be able to reduce their price to that amoun. Based on an earlier reply to my thread "iintel sells for approx 20% below retail pricing"...i worked out that these prices are probably a little on the low side.

    For example,
    one of my suppliers, WhoesaleIT, sell me the 3930K for...er...hang on just got to log back into to my supplier trade account...

    ok here's my pricing beakdown for i7 3930K

    My supplier price to me = $543.98 (ex gst =10% in our country)
    A competitor i have is selling online for = $595 (ex gst)
    China supplier quote = $396

    now if what the earlier reply says in one of my threads is correct...if i take 20% off my price of $543.98 my supplier is getting them from intel for... $435.18 (ex gst).

    Now if the china supplier is offering the same processor for $396 and i take import duties (approx 5% i believe) and freight into consideration...then this price is close to being reasonable i reckon!

    what do you guys think???


    Hi Adam :)

    Sorry mate, its just TOO cheap....

    I would love to see what they say about min quantities and payment up front though...

    All the best Brett :)
  8. As said it looks like a Scam.
    All Intel,and Amd cpu chips are speed binned at the factory before they leave.
    It a common misconception that say Intel and Amd make chips to a speed.
    Simply they don`t, on any given wafer of cpu dies produced there will be a percent of transistors that are malformed that cause the clock speed or the rate in Ghz it can effectively run at, That is why say you get I3,I5, and I7 chips at different frequency's.
    The same process is true for Amd cpu chips. The price of each Cpu is then set based on its speed bin rating.
    In any case yes the price does drop if you buy in bulk but you would have to buy a hell of a lot for the gains min I think it was 1000 tray to get any sort of discount of a small margin. Nothing is free in life, and if it sounds too good to be true, then it often is. In the long run it may end up costing you more money. I guess you needed to ask before you decided to take the leap. Always good to get a few second opinions, and advice never hurts. Good luck if you go for it.
  9. adamjedgar said:
    Hey Brett,
    They have not mentioned MOB yet. im going to ask that when i reply to their quote email.

    Is it possible they are buying in large enough qantities to be able to reduce their price to that amoun. Based on an earlier reply to my thread "iintel sells for approx 20% below retail pricing"...i worked out that these prices are probably a little on the low side.

    For example,
    one of my suppliers, WhoesaleIT, sell me the 3930K for...er...hang on just got to log back into to my supplier trade account...

    ok here's my pricing beakdown for i7 3930K

    My supplier price to me = $543.98 (ex gst =10% in our country)
    A competitor i have is selling online for = $595 (ex gst)
    China supplier quote = $396

    now if what the earlier reply says in one of my threads is correct...if i take 20% off my price of $543.98 my supplier is getting them from intel for... $435.18 (ex gst).

    Now if the china supplier is offering the same processor for $396 and i take import duties (approx 5% i believe) and freight into consideration...then this price is close to being reasonable i reckon!

    what do you guys think???
    Any time intel sell chips below the standard price would be to a close OEM partner such as dell which would be ordering very large quantities. The price these CPUs are listed on intel's website is what they sell to anyone else for trays of 1000 cpus. There is no way some one in china is going to have cheaper cpus considering intel does not even make the cpus in china.
  10. esrever said:
    Any time intel sell chips below the standard price would be to a close OEM partner such as dell which would be ordering very large quantities. The price these CPUs are listed on intel's website is what they sell to anyone else for trays of 1000 cpus. There is no way some one in china is going to have cheaper cpus considering intel does not even make the cpus in china.


    A very good point that has been in the forefront of my mind too. I wasnt sure, but i had been thinking Intel didnt manufacture in China.

    Is is possible for any Chinese manufacturers to clone Intel Processors???

    Also, you mention Intel Web site prices...where do i go to find these prices you speak of? I hadnt seen any pricing on their website (at least i didnt think i hadim going to go have another look)
  11. There have been a few cases yes. Dummy ones to be exact. made to look like them but no silicone chip under the heat spreader plate.
    There was another case a lot of years back as well, if my memory serves me right adamjedgar.
    It had to with cheap mother boards coming out of china, that was back in the day when instead of cache being on the die of the cpu. It was soldered to the mother board. But on some of these boards a fake chip was put on the board. A bit of plastic to look like it was a cache chip. Top and bottom is it was soon found out as you can imagine as users of the board reported bad cpu performance due to the lack of cache. Anyway it turned out it was to save money at the time, and the cache chips were expensive, and in short supply. PC chips boards were renowned for it up to the P4 line of boards. I don`t mean to worry you!. Its just I would hate to see you have a raw deal. I think the prices are too good to be true as many of us have pointed out about discount on quantity. You would have to buy a heck of a lot of 1000 tray cpus from Intel to get to a point where you could pass them on at such a reduced price to re-sell on.
  12. So I guess the only questions I can think of right now left for me to ask is this...

    what price are the Wholesalers who buy directly from Intel paying for a 3770K processor.

    I found on Intel's site the RCP prices you guys were talking about. Can safely say that the importers I am buying my components off are paying approx. 20% below the RCP on intel's site???

    If one of the quotes i have is only $40 lower than my own supplier (after taking import duties etc into consideration), Is it possible that genuine Chinese importers are saving money in the process of buying and freighting cpu's off Intel...hence being able to sell to me 10% cheaper than my own wholesaler??

    finally, does anyone know how I check business registration and trading records for Chinese businesses. In Australia its quite easy to do checks on businesses...but what about China?
  13. Problem is I don`t think China is well regulated on things like businesses, history past and present, and it may be damned hard for you to find trading records for Chinese businesses.
    You may have a hard time hunting them down as a lot of the laws that govern trading practices in the EU simply don`t apply to China in a lot of ways, I mean why do you think apple use Foxconn to make all there parts.
  14. so, what computer components can I save money buying in bulk out of places like China?

    or is it really only a place to go when you want to develop and manufacture your own brand of component?

    Is there nothing in the name brand stuff like gigabyte, EVGA, NVidia and Ati that is safe to buy from the Chinese?
  15. Just dont.

    Buy them through the regular routes, dont try and get round the prices.

    Why take the risk, its like a PSU. You buy a cheap one from china because of the price but once it goes up and takes down all your parts then you are screwed.

    As someone else said, The Chinese government dosn't have the tightest grip on business hence why 99.9% of all fakes come from china.
  16. rolli59 said:
    Scam or copies! Intel has published batch prices.

    If they copy something, it will only be the packaging since I doubt there is any fraudster on the planet with spare billions to build an undercover wafer and R&D plant to produce chips.

    Another possibility aside from outright scam and fake packaging would be resold stolen goods. Every now and then, we do read stories about trucks/containers/etc. (or their contents) disappearing in various places around the world.
  17. If it was very rare they could be stolen engineering samples they are trying to sell off.

    Which I am sure Intel would love to find out about.
  18. adamjedgar said:
    so, what computer components can I save money buying in bulk out of places like China?

    or is it really only a place to go when you want to develop and manufacture your own brand of component?

    Is there nothing in the name brand stuff like gigabyte, EVGA, NVidia and Ati that is safe to buy from the Chinese?



    Hi Adam :)

    The answer to that is NONE really.....

    I considered it myself, but after a LOT of research , I came to the conclusion that it would be easier to post my £50 notes down the nearest drain....

    They copy, they fake, and they CANNOT be held accountable to the law...

    Good idea, but not worth the hassle and lost money...

    All the best Brett :)
  19. Yeah i think im beginning to see the light.

    I have been looking closely at the dozens and dozens of email quote from suppliers from countries like China. They almost all say things like

    "Hi Dear"... blah blah blah...an obvious scam,

    "We will be looking forward to making big money with you"... another obvious con job,

    There are a number of quotes i have received that do not post any wording in an attempt to "roll dollar signs in ones eyes". I think i only have just a 1 or 2 of these quotes. 1 was very expensive when compared with my own Aussie distributors pricing...when i queried the guy in China about it i just got "sorry" and that was it! The other one does seem very legit. However, when i check out the website...well i dunno it doesnt seem to be up to the standards im used to in web sites. Some of the menu functionaility isnt working correctly, there are what seem like multiple departments that all have the exact same contact name, phone number and email, the business address doesnt have a street number (only a reference to a business district) etc.

    I have been thinking a lot about the email addresses that these Chinese email responses i have had are using...not one of them uses a paid domain email address! They are almost all hotmail addresses!

    Why is that? Is it a China thing...ie they dont give out paid domain email addresses to public queries for quotes....or is this a classic "dodgy business" tactic they use to make it almost impossible to track em down??

    I know i have started to use my hotmail address instead of my domain address for fear of spam, hackers and the like on my own domains. I only use my domain address these days with my account suppliers etc
  20. intel transfers the lower grade cpus to the mobil line. they cut the die to disable cores and slap whem on a daughter card.
  21. I wouldn't part with cash for anything from China unless you physically go there and check each and every unit first. My wife is from Beijing and I have been there often the level of fakery is insane, now on the street this can translate to simply getting something very cheaply as the seller will bargain on price with both parties knowing it's dodgy (think lowend Graphics cards tarted up and boxed as better or cheap RAM with Heatsinks and brandname stickers on it) but when they take this online and abroad they really know NO limits as to bad practice, this is because they are barely regulated, not to the extent Brett says about being unsuable by law, but to the extent they will hide behind fake companies, names, even fake government business licences can be bought for pennies (or legit ones for a few pennies more). This leads to a situation where having fleeced you and sent you a box full of empty trays or some crap you have pretty much ZERO chance of ever tracing the person to even try to get them in a court of law.

    If you want to do business with China actually fly over there meet suppliers see the product before you go handing over fistfuls of cash.
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