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Need help 7850 vs gtx 560 pros and cons

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May 3, 2012 2:07:32 AM

So im trying to decide what would be better for me... Some version of the 7850 or some version of the 560??

I will be upgrading my psu to whatever is needed. cx600?

I would like to keep the price for the card below 300$ Closer to 250$ would be nice...

My desktop was a blackfriday speacial the p6214y from a few years ago... This will be my first graphics card purchase ever and I dont know much about them. After doing hours of research I cant decide on what I want...

I notice that there are like 20 different models of the gtx 560 and I cant tell the difference.

The 7850 is interesting as most of those come as a 2gb where the 560 is mostly only 1gb... but i can get the 560 in 3** bit whereas the 7850 is 256 bit... my computer only supports pcie 2.0 and the 7850 is a 3.0 which could be nice years down the road when I get a new computer to put it in but its pointless now...

Which of these numbers should I be paying most attention to? the bits? the GB? or the 2.0/3.0

can you guys reccomend the best 7850 and best gtx 560 and let me know which one would be better for me?

Im so lost... there are so many darn models

Also newegg seems out of stock on a lot of 7850s any other sites to look at?

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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 2:17:13 AM

I would totally go for the 7850. It will give you MUCH better performance per dollar, and give you MUCH better performance overall. As for brand, choose whichever you like best.
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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 2:20:18 AM

For one thing, you're thinking of the 560 Ti. The plain 560 isn't anywhere close to the 7850. Honestly, though, even the Ti isn't quite on the same level as the 7850. They just cost pretty similar amounts because the 7850's the new generation, and new generations are generally more cost-efficient. Here's a good resource for general GPU comparison: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

Throwing the 560 Ti out the window, we now have to choose between the 7850s. Newegg is out of a bunch, yes, but most models cost roughly the same right now and this one's one of the best out there: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 3, 2012 2:39:13 AM

So i just noticed that the gtx 670 will be coming out may 10th... Will that card be better than the 7850 and will it be in my budget?

are cuda cores the same thing as stream processors? and what do they do?

Could someone also explain the bits and the GBs? Are these stats important?
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May 3, 2012 2:45:15 AM

cuda cores and stream processors are totally different things. If the 670 is anything that it should be it would be leagues ahead of the 7850. They use different architectures so they are not comparable stats for stats. your better to go off of benchmarks for the games that you play in general. right now nvidea does not have any mid new generation cards so ati is the clear winner here in comparison of the 560 ti and 7850. if you were to wait well no one knows which will be better but i can tell you it will be much more comparable in performance per dollar.
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May 3, 2012 3:00:04 AM

Any idea on how much the 670 will cost? Will it be way out of my price range?
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May 3, 2012 3:01:59 AM

Id think about getting a 660 but i hear that it wont be out for months... The 670 will be out may 10th but if its way out of my price range ill just get the 7850.
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May 3, 2012 3:03:35 AM

the 570 is running for around 329.99 in my country ( Canada ). I would assume the 670 would come in around same price as the 570 when released so around high 300's to low 400's. again cant say for sure until they release a price for it but that would be my best guesstimate. I would assume the 660 TI would be more in your price range if you are looking in the 560 ti/7850 price range.
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May 3, 2012 3:05:32 AM

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The 7850 is a decent performer if you need a new card right now.

I would agree with recon-uk right now in that price range 7850 is your best bet unless you want to wait a few months!
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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 3:16:12 AM

The GTX 660Ti will be the 7850's competitor as the GTX 570 will be well out of that price range (by $100+). If you overclock, I think a GTX 560Ti is worth it at $160 and a GTX 560Ti 448 Core (limited release version) is worth it at $190). The 7850 was just on sale earlier today for $220, but ran out of stock quickly. It's the card to beat in that price range.

Also, there was a 6950 2GB for $200, now there's one for $210: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It doesn't match the 7850, but it's better than the GTX 560Ti if that's $200 and the 6950 2GB is $210.
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May 3, 2012 3:25:18 AM

Are there any good sales coming up? Which one was on sale for 220?
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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 3:27:24 AM

7850 all the way. 2GB is perfect for what you will be doing. The PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are not really relevant for just one card and you don't need to worry about the "bits". The 7850 uses 256 bits memory and the 560ti 448 uses 320 bits memory but the 7850 still wins. It's the graphics core that is most important.
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May 3, 2012 3:32:46 AM

So any good sales coming up or do i buy this 7850 for 269.99 and this cx600 power supply(should be enough right?) I dont really need modular do I?
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May 3, 2012 3:38:36 AM

you don't need the modular. it just gives you the ability to choose which cords you have connected to the power supply rather then them all being internally mounted. and yes that psu will work fine
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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 4:02:10 AM

cuddlefish said:
So any good sales coming up or do i buy this 7850 for 269.99 and this cx600 power supply(should be enough right?) I dont really need modular do I?
I don't know what sales are coming up. Sign up for Newegg's email list. I can guarantee you something at $249.99 or possibly much lower within the next 10 days though.

The CX600 can power two 7850's. You would actually do just fine with a CX430 for the low power draw of that card. The best deal lately was when the Antec Neo Eco 620C was $35 yesterday and the day before.

EDIT: Asus DC2 7850 for $250 http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B007JLFV7U/ref=d...
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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 4:05:29 AM

pezonator said:
7850 all the way. 2GB is perfect for what you will be doing. The PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0 are not really relevant for just one card and you don't need to worry about the "bits". The 7850 uses 256 bits memory and the 560ti 448 uses 320 bits memory but the 7850 still wins. It's the graphics core that is most important.
(Expanding, not correcting you) The memory bandwidth is improved by bus width (192-bit v 256-bit v 320-bit), but also impacted by memory speed and some other factors. If you want to get into the technical details, you can look at the memory bandwidth listed on the Wikipedia articles or download and run GPU-Z and see the output. It's fun to see how this changes as you overclock your graphics memory.
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May 3, 2012 4:14:24 AM

7850 is excellent with excellent overclocking abilities. though you should only buy 3 brands, in no particular order:

1. sapphire oc edition
2. asus
3. msi twin frozer

but honestly, the 670 will also be a great card if you are comfortable swinging another 100 bucks. the 5xx series are a thing of the past, forget them.
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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 4:48:02 AM

tuffluck said:
the 5xx series are a thing of the past, forget them.
Haha...that all depends on your price range. A GTX 460 1GB is still a great card if they're at the ~$110 price range they should be at.
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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 10:57:30 AM

dalauder said:
Haha...that all depends on your price range. A GTX 460 1GB is still a great card if they're at the ~$110 price range they should be at.

Stop right there! There's a giant marketing scam going around, and you're all now in on it. The 460s currently available all have 192-bit memory interfaces. Their performance is crippled compared to the old ones, with 256-bit ones, that are on all the major sites' benchmarks. Check out the recent Tom's GPU article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car... for a little note on the change.
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May 3, 2012 11:15:54 PM

kajabla said:
Stop right there! There's a giant marketing scam going around, and you're all now in on it.
Don't worry, I'm well aware of it. I meant the original GTX 460 1GB w/ the 256-bit bus that's been from $130 to $180 the last 8 months on Newegg if it's available at all that should be at the $110 price point. All I meant was that the 500 series doesn't need to be a forgotten "a thing of the past" if a midrange 400 series is still solid.

Actually, the 192-bit GTX 460 V2 isn't THAT crippled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_400_Series
It's memory bandwidth is about halfway between the original 768MB and 1GB versions thanks to speedier newer RAM chips and the same goes for the newer GF114 core it's based on (GTX 560). Now, it's important not to confuse the versions, but the GTX 460 V2 is actually worth the $100 it was on sale for recently.

That said, I'm pretty pissed at NVidia's ridiculously (& intentionally) convoluted GPU naming schemes.
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a b U Graphics card
May 6, 2012 10:31:13 PM

OP, I'm closing this tab in my browser. PM me if you come back.
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