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Gtx 680 vs gtx 460, why slower?

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May 3, 2012 5:42:08 PM

Hi

Just bought a zotac gtx680 and installed it

my rig is

Motherboard: ASUS P6T SE X58 S-1366 ATX
Memmory: CORSAIR 6GB DDR3 XMS3 INTEL I7 9XX PC12800 1600MHZ CL9 (3X2GB)
Cpu: INTEL CORE I7 950 3.06GHZ 8MB S-1366
Psu: COOLER MASTER SILENT PRO M ATX12V 2.3 700W
Hdd: WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR BLACK 640GB 7200RPM SATA/300 32MB


I get 8400 points in 3dmarks 11.
Is that normal?

I get a decent fps in battlefield 3.
But for some reason, i get very low fps in Borderlands, its even lower than with my old gtx460, and the same thing in batman arkham city?

Why is this??

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a c 88 U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 5:46:19 PM

Sounds like your cpu could be a bottleneck, overclocking your cpu will give you more fps with your 680 as it needs good cpu power for it to be used at its full potential. your 460 performed well as the cpu wasnt a bottleneck for it.

You will need a decent cooler for your cpu , and would be good to follow an overclocking guide if you dont have much experience with it.
Toms has a good overclcoking guide in the overclcoking section of the forums.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/263043-29-1156-core-c...
a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 5:50:16 PM

Perhaps a problem with Unreal engine... However, there was a video about PhysX in Borderlands 2 with the 680 as a prime example GPU, so I would't worry too much about that. As for Batman, I have no idea.
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a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 5:56:49 PM

Have you reinstalled drivers from scratch? If not, download and install driversweeper, go to control panel, uninstall nvidia display driver and physx, reboot into safe mode, use driver sweeped (select nvidia - display and physx) click analyse and then clean then reboot and install latest drivers from nvidia's site (make sure you click 'perform clean installation').

Edit:
And no, i7 950 is most certainly not a bottleneck.
a b U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 5:59:58 PM

Soda-88 said:
Have you reinstalled drivers from scratch? If not, download and install driversweeper, go to control panel, uninstall nvidia display driver and physx, reboot into safe mode, use driver sweeped (select nvidia - display and physx) click analyse and then clean then reboot and install latest drivers from nvidia's site (make sure you click 'perform clean installation').

Edit:
And no, i7 950 is most certainly not a bottleneck.



Yeah, I don't think an i7-950 is a bottleneck. Maybe if you were using an i3 chip or something.
May 3, 2012 6:02:19 PM

Truth is, the newest drivers for the 680 gave me a black screen on startup.
The zotac drivers that came with the card worked however.
And, i tested the beta drivers from nvidia, wich i am running now and seems to be working.

I called the store i bought the card from and explained this to them and they told me to chill because according to them, there should be nothing wrong with the card since it works, performs good in BF3 with no artifacts or anything like that.
So i guess i have to take their word for it.
a c 271 U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 6:06:17 PM

What resolution are you running at?
May 3, 2012 7:00:45 PM

1920x1080 120hz

Tried the Batman arkham city benchmark now.
My settings were 1920x1080.
DX 11 OFF
no AA.
PhysX Normal.
No motion blur
Everything else was on max.

Score was:
Min 29
Max 124
Avarage 69

Very freezelaggy game, I cant play that with highest settings and dx11, it annoys me too much that it runs soo bad when im turning around and stuff. Not smooth at all. And the fps never go over 62 for some reason?
I dont have vsync and the fps was well above 62 in the benchmark?
a c 271 U Graphics card
May 3, 2012 9:45:37 PM

Are you running the latest drivers? And if so have you tried playing about with the new Vsync option?
May 4, 2012 7:35:34 AM

Where do i find the option for this new vsync?
May 4, 2012 9:16:19 AM

Fjeskiny said:
Hi

Just bought a zotac gtx680 and installed it

my rig is

Motherboard: ASUS P6T SE X58 S-1366 ATX
Memmory: CORSAIR 6GB DDR3 XMS3 INTEL I7 9XX PC12800 1600MHZ CL9 (3X2GB)
Cpu: INTEL CORE I7 950 3.06GHZ 8MB S-1366
Psu: COOLER MASTER SILENT PRO M ATX12V 2.3 700W
Hdd: WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR BLACK 640GB 7200RPM SATA/300 32MB


I get 8400 points in 3dmarks 11.
Is that normal?

I get a decent fps in battlefield 3.
But for some reason, i get very low fps in Borderlands, its even lower than with my old gtx460, and the same thing in batman arkham city?

Why is this??


I have a very similar setup to you, and I'm getting very good FPS across all games.

You should be getting more than decent FPS in BF3, Arkham City is VERY taxing when all settings are enabled (Ultra). Even my SLI GTX 580s hit a slight dip sometimes - but it should be WAY above a GTX 460's level.

BF3 is a very CPU-intensive game as well, will be worth overclocking it to at least 3.7GHz if you have air cooling or 4GHz if you have a high performance air or watercooling.
May 4, 2012 9:18:16 AM

Fjeskiny said:
1920x1080 120hz

Tried the Batman arkham city benchmark now.
My settings were 1920x1080.
DX 11 OFF
no AA.
PhysX Normal.
No motion blur
Everything else was on max.

Score was:
Min 29
Max 124
Avarage 69

Very freezelaggy game, I cant play that with highest settings and dx11, it annoys me too much that it runs soo bad when im turning around and stuff. Not smooth at all. And the fps never go over 62 for some reason?
I dont have vsync and the fps was well above 62 in the benchmark?


No, Fjeskiny, something is wrong here...

Can you try overclock your CPU and re-run the benches?
a c 88 U Graphics card
May 4, 2012 9:21:25 AM

Thats what Ive been saying, you gotta overclock the cpu, running SLI with at only 3ghz on the processor is not gonna give you good fps, its going to hold it back and feel like a bottleneck, your low fps says it all.
May 4, 2012 9:24:27 AM

monsta said:
Thats what Ive been saying, you gotta overclock the cpu, running SLI with at only 3ghz on the processor is not gonna give you good fps, its going to hold it back and feel like a bottleneck, your low fps says it all.


Sorry man, I didn't read through the entire thread before posting my suggestion.

+1
May 4, 2012 9:26:51 AM

Why is SLI in the equation?

I have a single gtx 680.
May 4, 2012 9:30:56 AM

Fjeskiny said:
Why is SLI in the equation?

I have a single gtx 680.


Poster's mistake, we're both saying that the CPU (powerful as it is) is bottlenecking your card. You need to overclock it and re-run the benchmarks
May 4, 2012 9:39:44 AM

If its so simple as the CPU is bottlenecking my GPU, then why oh why do i have an insane FPS in bf3, but i have lower fps than my gtx460 in borderlands?

It doesnt make any sence to me.
a c 84 U Graphics card
May 4, 2012 9:41:44 AM

if u overclock your cpu then you will get more juice and benifits of the card.:) 


first place to start is to download MSI Afterburner and monitor your fps and gpu clock speeds in-game. Be sure you're 680 is at full 3d clocks - 1006 MHz or higher.

Also, be sure your refresh rate is correct in the Nvidia control panel.
May 4, 2012 9:43:27 AM

Fjeskiny said:
If its so simple as the CPU is bottlenecking my GPU, then why oh why do i have an insane FPS in bf3, but i have lower fps than my gtx460 in borderlands?

It doesnt make any sence to me.


Because certain games rely more on the GPU than on the CPU.

It's not going to hurt you to try this; we're trying to help you troubleshoot the problem here.
May 4, 2012 10:27:30 AM

ok So i can use the MSI afterburner even tho i have a zotac card?


Graemevermeulen, I am ready to try everything, im going to buy a noctua D12 fan and overclock my CPU sometime soon.

But i cant help it if some things just dont make sence to me, I dont know much about these things. So i might ask stupid questions and have weird assesments.
May 4, 2012 10:37:29 AM

Fjeskiny said:
ok So i can use the MSI afterburner even tho i have a zotac card?


Graemevermeulen, I am ready to try everything, im going to buy a noctua D12 fan and overclock my CPU sometime soon.

But i cant help it if some things just dont make sence to me, I dont know much about these things. So i might ask stupid questions and have weird assesments.


That's why we're here to help :) 
May 4, 2012 11:00:06 AM

Ok so i downloaded a program called ZOTAC FireStorm NITRO.

I run it in windows and it gives me this information:

Engine Clock: 705
Memory Clock: 6008
Shader Clock: 1411
Fan speed: Auto

Temp: 57
May 4, 2012 11:13:48 AM

Fjeskiny said:
Ok so i downloaded a program called ZOTAC FireStorm NITRO.

I run it in windows and it gives me this information:

Engine Clock: 705
Memory Clock: 6008
Shader Clock: 1411
Fan speed: Auto

Temp: 57


Hang on, the engine clock should be at 1015MHz... it's downclocked by 310MHz!
May 4, 2012 2:37:39 PM

uhm, that doesnt bode well.

But still i have 75fps on ultra in BF3?
May 4, 2012 2:48:24 PM

Fjeskiny said:
uhm, that doesnt bode well.

But still i have 75fps on ultra in BF3?



I don't think many of us are familiar with the Zotac software, I'd recommend you to use the MSI Afterburner tool. And yes, it works with almost every graphics card on the market right now, and will definitely work with your 680. Check the core clock again.
May 4, 2012 3:09:16 PM

Ok i used MSI afterburner now.

Played borderlands

Core clock 1006 mhz.
Shader clock 2012 mhz
Memory clock 3005 mhz

50-70 steady fps, my girlfriends computer has gtx 580 and she is around 100fps.
This feels bad considering how much i spent on the card
a c 271 U Graphics card
May 4, 2012 6:05:06 PM

Fjeskiny said:
Where do i find the option for this new vsync?

What driver version are you using?
May 4, 2012 7:13:23 PM

Right now im using the beta drivers.
a c 271 U Graphics card
May 4, 2012 7:27:44 PM

In the Nvidia control panel under 'Manage 3D Settings' is where you will find the Vsync options, a different setting may help.
May 4, 2012 8:47:59 PM

Vertical sync was "Let the 3d application decide"

"Vertical Sync", is that their defenition of their new Adaptive Vsync?
May 5, 2012 7:16:00 AM

I played some Red Faction Armageddon today.
With no AA, everything else is maxed out and i use 1920x1080 resolution.

The fps dipped in the 30 region when i destroyed a building and i used DX9!?

When using dx11 i have an fps at around 30-70, with no AA.

I expected so much more from this expensive card.

I can buy that the card gets bottlenecked by my i7 950 but by this much? Seriously?
How can it bottleneck my 680 to perform the same as my old 460 in borderlands for example?
How is that making any sence to anyone?
May 5, 2012 8:42:46 AM

You might have a bad card. Return the card and get a replacement to see if it does the same.
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 5, 2012 9:00:12 AM

Sounds really like a driver problem. I know you reinstalled drivers, but remnants are hard to get rid of. Is there any chance you have a spare partition you could try fresh installing windows to? That way you could eliminate/confirm any driver problems,
a c 271 U Graphics card
May 5, 2012 10:16:38 AM

Fjeskiny said:
Vertical sync was "Let the 3d application decide"

"Vertical Sync", is that their defenition of their new Adaptive Vsync?

Vsync has always been there but now clicking on that option gives you a couple of choices rather than just on or off.
May 5, 2012 11:35:58 AM

Does your Motherboard have a PCIe 3.0 x16 slot? If not then you won't be using your GTX680's FULL potential (Not sure how much slower it would be from PCIe 3.0-2.1/0 though.). That may be a reason why your FPS is slightly lower than your girlfriend's GTX580.

My suggestion: Return and get the GTX580 ;]. Or upgrade your overall system.
May 5, 2012 11:49:08 AM

Ok so now i tested this 680 in my girlfriends new computer.

System specs:
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR GREEN 1.5TB SATA/600 64MB
CPU: INTEL CORE I7 2600 3.40GHZ 8MB S-1155
MEM: CORSAIR 16GB DDR3 XMS3 INTEL I5/I7 PC10666 1333MHZ (4X4GB)
MB: ASUS MAXIMUS IV GENE-Z/GEN3 Z68 S-1155 M-ATX


She got 9144 3dmarks11, I guess thats ok.

But, she got less FPS in borderlands with 680 than her gigabyte OC 580.
Also, she got lower fps in Fallout New vegas with 680 than with her gigabyte OC 580.
Altho in BF3, her fps skyrocketed, when i played BF3 it fealt like i was using a gtx680, just like with my rig. But what is up with the other games? Why cant this 680 handle games that are alittle older than BF3?


Or, is her i7 2600 3.4ghz also bottlenecking this gpu?

a c 291 U Graphics card
May 5, 2012 2:57:41 PM

aznwings said:
Does your Motherboard have a PCIe 3.0 x16 slot? If not then you won't be using your GTX680's FULL potential (Not sure how much slower it would be from PCIe 3.0-2.1/0 though.). That may be a reason why your FPS is slightly lower than your girlfriend's GTX580.

My suggestion: Return and get the GTX580 ;]. Or upgrade your overall system.


You're wrong. GTX 680 doesn't even fully saturate PCIe 2.0, so there will be absolutely no performance loss.

@OP: Seems like you got a faulty card. You should return it.
May 5, 2012 6:12:42 PM

Sunius said:
You're wrong. GTX 680 doesn't even fully saturate PCIe 2.0, so there will be absolutely no performance loss.

@OP: Seems like you got a faulty card. You should return it.



Yeah seems like this might be the case :( 

Even tho, it seems so weird to have a faulty card, that performs awesome in Battlefield 3.
But nothing else.

How can that be?
May 5, 2012 9:57:28 PM

Crysis 2 seems to run fine.

Dont know what my fps should be at but with hardcore graphics settings at 1920x1080 i never got below 60 fps in the open in the beginning of the game.


So what does BF3 and Crysis2 have in common, that Borderlands doesnt?
a c 271 U Graphics card
May 6, 2012 9:47:28 AM

Fjeskiny said:
Crysis 2 seems to run fine.

Dont know what my fps should be at but with hardcore graphics settings at 1920x1080 i never got below 60 fps in the open in the beginning of the game.


So what does BF3 and Crysis2 have in common, that Borderlands doesnt?

In Borderlands, have you tried turning down the FOV setting?
May 6, 2012 10:32:17 AM

Mousemonkey said:
In Borderlands, have you tried turning down the FOV setting?




So... you're saying that in order for me to get the same or higher fps with my expensive new gtx680 in borderlands, that i had with my old cheap gtx460, i have to turn down the FOV?
a b U Graphics card
May 6, 2012 1:21:48 PM

Fjeskiny said:
So... you're saying that in order for me to get the same or higher fps with my expensive new gtx680 in borderlands, that i had with my old cheap gtx460, i have to turn down the FOV?


Again, if Crysis 2 also runs fine, maybe it's that your card has a problem with games built on Unreal engine. You should return it for a new one and while you're there, ask support why they think this is happening.
May 6, 2012 1:28:22 PM

auntarie said:
Again, if Crysis 2 also runs fine, maybe it's that your card has a problem with games built on Unreal engine. You should return it for a new one and while you're there, ask support why they think this is happening.



Can that be it?

That gave me a reason to dust off Bioshock.

Will report back after i have tested it.
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 6, 2012 2:28:35 PM

I guess you just confirmed your card is buggy.
a b U Graphics card
May 6, 2012 7:09:43 PM

EVGA precision.
May 6, 2012 8:11:19 PM

Ok so EVGA precision tells me that when i have that low fps in Borderlands, im using 35-40% of my GPU.... Well i guess that explains alot
a b U Graphics card
May 6, 2012 8:34:55 PM

Indeed it does. I still remain true to my theory about the engine. Apparently it somehow doesn't utilize the GPU fully(I don't say). I've no idea why it's doing it though.
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