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June 23, 2012 7:59:11 PM

Hello,

I'm building a gaming computer for a budget at around £600 (Possibly more).

I am thinking of purchasing the i5 3570k CPU but i'm not sure which GPU to get and Motherboard to get.

Any advice and guiders will be much appreciated.

June 23, 2012 10:02:22 PM

If youre on a tight budget, why not try an AMD build?

The Phenom II X4 965 is dirt cheap right now at £87 and is a great performing proc, especially if you overclock it. Get an AM3+ motherboard and you can upgrade to Piledriver later on when it comes out and you save up a little more cash. And you can take the money you saved on the X4 and put it towards a better video card.
June 23, 2012 10:20:29 PM

axe1592 said:
If youre on a tight budget, why not try an AMD build?

The Phenom II X4 965 is dirt cheap right now at £87 and is a great performing proc, especially if you overclock it. Get an AM3+ motherboard and you can upgrade to Piledriver later on when it comes out and you save up a little more cash. And you can take the money you saved on the X4 and put it towards a better video card.


Thank you, i will look into it, motherboard like this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... In £'s though not $'s

How would it be for gaming?

Thank you
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June 23, 2012 10:21:16 PM

But it £'s not $'s.
June 24, 2012 3:52:03 AM

gblackburn said:
Thank you, i will look into it, motherboard like this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... In £'s though not $'s

How would it be for gaming?

Thank you


That is a very good, well built motherboard. Itll handle the FX processors too if/when you decide to upgrade and should hold a respectable overclock as well.

And yes, Intel is faster in gaming but those differences will only show up in very high resolutions and multiple GPU's. Anything less than that, and the horsepower required to max out your system is well within the abilities of an AMD processor like the 965. When you get into the higher resolutions and muti-GPU systems, thats when you see Intel's extra speed start to pay off. And Id take a Phenom II X4 over a Pentium all day long and twice on Sunday.
June 24, 2012 4:53:35 AM

Anonymous said:
that is completely WRONG, all of it, higher resolutions, only in multi gpu configurations . .
http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/N/323915/original/Skyrim.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/F/323907/original/Averages.png

the ONLY difference would be BF3 multi player maps . . nothing wrong with liking AMD but you don't need to conjure up false scenarios . .


Skyrim is a terrible example. The game is poorly optimized and is VERY CPU-Intensive, so naturally the faster CPU will win out in Skyrim. That's why you can see 7970 setups get dumped on by Skyrim because they have a low-ish AMD CPU.

In BF3 - There are no real differences between 965 and 2500K...

AMD is optimal for the gamer looking for a budget build gaming rig -- they cost less than Intel and gaming wise, Intel processors exhibit no real advantages expect for CPU intensive games, which are a minority
June 24, 2012 6:46:35 AM

You're an idiot, there is a difference between a CPU intensive game and a game that is not well optimized, though the lines are blurred often.

A CPU intensive game is simply a pc game that utilizes more resources from the CPU than from the GPU... Yeah, compared to a GPU intensive game, the CPU tensile would be considered "poorly optimized" --- but not really, it simply the resources that a pc gamer is likely to have in lower amount - Pure CPU power..

A truly badly optimized game is a game that neither uses ample amounts of CPU nor GPU and fails to run well because of that, like GTA 4 or fallout.

You have to remember CPU intensive games are rare, so if you want to by a CPU based off the base that it will perform significantly better in 1 or 2 games, at a much higher cost, that would be stupid.

AT most games, AMD processors equal INTEL processors because most games user GPU power, so the differences in CPU would be negligible....

And you're an idiot if you think crysis 2 is CPU intensive...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bul...

And you saying bf3 is a GPU benchmark furthers my argument, you idiot... That is a very popular, very optimized game, so don't you think someone with a tight budget should focus more energy in GPU than CPU?

Yes, AMD says they won't compete in pure performance, because any idiot knows that pure performance is INTELS last name... BUT .. Pure CPU performance doesn't necessarily translate to games, only CPU intensive games, which, one again ,, ARE MINORITY *****

If you are on a budget and need a gaming pc and let's say are struggling between 2500k or bulldozer, go 50$ cheaper bulldozer 8120 because most games won't even show and increase in fps from a faster raw performance CPU... So why would it make sense to buy the more expensive CPU, albeit better performing, if that extra power won't translate to the applications your running?

C'mon now no need to get emotional over this...


June 24, 2012 6:51:05 AM

Anonymous said:
thats not making sense at all. if skyrim is poorly optimized then what CPU you have doesn't matter; its a level playing field. and would not a good cpu do better in cpu intensive games? you're actually saying intel cpus are better, watch out. nor do i believe you are aware that a PIIx4 980 is 3.7Ghz - if what you are saying, that a faster cpu would bench better in skyrim how is a i5 2400@3.1, i5 2500K@3.3 clearly bea it and a i3-2100@3.1 matches it? no that doesn't make sense at all.

i didn't post a BF3 benchmark because that is a GPU game except in multi player maps as i said before but if it makes you happy:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/G/323908/original/Battlefield3.png
ANY cpu does well in single player so it would not be a good example of a cpu when gaming - BF3 is a gpu benchmark. which goes further to your comment about cpu intesive games being the minority, oh you no play crysis2? metro 2033? starcraftII?
Picking A Sub-$200 Gaming CPU: FX, An APU, Or A Pentium?
go see for yourself the results.
also take a look at the monthly recommended cpu's for gaming for the last year here at THG. AMD is suffering more and more losses at each price point to intel.
Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: June 2012
it has gotten to the point that AMD has admitted they can't/won't complete any more.
[UPDATE]AMD Not Competing with Intel Anymore, Goes Mobile
the only minority when it comes to gaming is the low end cpus amd offers to compete at the bottom end of the market. which is only a handful of dead end chips/platforms.

and before you type piledriver . .maybe it will be on par with first generation icore cpus but no where near the third generation.



And oh my god .. When I say faster CPU, any idiot knows I don't mean clock speed........... I mean really don't be THAT stupid.....
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June 24, 2012 6:57:22 AM

bctande1 said:
C'mon now no need to get emotional over this...


:lol:  For the record, I basically agree with your argument (on a budget, AMD CPU's are passable for gaming purposes. Just not great), but take your own advice. I believe you're the one that's letting their emotions (and possible fanboyism) get to you here.

You're taking your argument WAY overboard though. Tone it down a bit if you ever want anyone to listen to you.
June 24, 2012 7:20:55 AM

Anonymous said:
you really need to watch what you're calling people there bucko.

butthurt from getting a few things pointed out to you.

fact of the matter, the only people on steam forums or any where cmplaining about skyrim are people with low end systems. know how to google?

you n00bs who come in here and promote AMD for a cheap solution and then cry and resort to name calling when you get spank not having some facts straight is endless.

and anyone knows when you say faster you mean clock speed.


I ain't "butt hurt".

Please specificy what you "pointed out" to me, because I took on every pointless arguement you so valiantly threw at me..

And please, if your being pedantic, just stop, no one finds you funny or intellectually superior to anyone. Clock speed.. C'mon wake up kid..
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June 24, 2012 7:25:10 AM

Oh, this should be good.

June 24, 2012 7:27:09 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
:lol:  For the record, I basically agree with your argument (on a budget, AMD CPU's are passable for gaming purposes. Just not great), but take your own advice. I believe you're the one that's letting their emotions (and possible fanboyism) get to you here.

You're taking your argument WAY overboard though. Tone it down a bit if you ever want anyone to listen to you.

:D  Emotions yes. I admit haha

But I hate fanboyism with a passion. I strongly believe is picking high quality components if you need a high quality pc. But if you're on a 700$ budget for gaming, by today's standards, you don't need to get a super-performing pc, and I'm talking in terms of truly high perfomers.

I believ intel is doing it right by putting out great, quality products. The only reason amd is competitive in the CPU market is price, that's it, nothing more.

And if you don't game and are not on a budget , there is simply no reason to buy an AMD CPU, they're simply isn't any, because, frankly, compared to INTEL, AMD is just not high quality whatsoever.

Not like super serious or anything haha :pt1cable:  I just never liked the whole concept of fanyboy hehe.
June 24, 2012 7:45:53 AM

get the 3550 instead of the 3570k, assuming your on a budget you wont be overclocking anytime soon and throw in the ASUS GTX 560 DirectCU TOP perfect match to me :) 
June 24, 2012 10:03:44 AM

NZLove said:
get the 3550 instead of the 3570k, assuming your on a budget you wont be overclocking anytime soon and throw in the ASUS GTX 560 DirectCU TOP perfect match to me :) 


Thank you, an answer that isn't an argument, them two would £280, how much would you say to purchase a motherboard for? Been looking at this motherboard :http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-P8Z77-V-LK-Motherboard-PCI...

I think they are compatible, will this leave enough money for all the other components?

Thanks.
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June 24, 2012 10:29:17 AM

£600 gaming rig

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz Quad Core Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/26600/HDZ965FBGMBOX/CP...

Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 PCI-Express ATX Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/77029/GA-970A-DS3/Moth...

G.Skill 8192MB DDR3
http://www.cclonline.com/product/42189/F3-10666CL9D-8GB...

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Hard Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/66223/ST500DM002/Hard-...

Xigmatek Asgard ATX Mid Tower Case
http://www.cclonline.com/product/25920/CPC-T45UB-U01/Ca...

OCZ 700W StealthXStream II Power Supply
http://www.cclonline.com/product/75953/OCZ700SXS2-UN/Po...

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler
http://www.cclonline.com/product/76741/RR-TX3E-22PK-R1/...

Asus GeForce GTX560Ti 448 Edition Graphics Card
http://www.cclonline.com/product/70126/90-C1CRI0-X0UAY0...

60GB OCZ Agility 3 2.5" Solid State Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/58357/AGT3-25SAT3-60G/...

Samsung DVD RW
http://www.cclonline.com/product/73600/SH-222BB/BEBE/Op...

Total £605.05

Now that CPU can be OC'd and I included a cooler to do it. The 560ti 448 edition is £40 cheaper than a 570 and gives similar performance. There is an SSD for your OS and games so load times will be lightening fast and there is a 500GB HDD for normal storage. I used your budget totally on hardware if you don't already have a retail copy of windows you either need to add £69 to get windows or cut out some of the fancier bits on the build (SSD and Cooler) to fit Windows in the budget

Link for Windows

http://www.cclonline.com/product/55272/GFC-02050/Operat...

*edit* if your after intel similar price you could use an i3 and a h61 motherboard

Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual Core Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/44985/BX80623I32100/CP...

Asus P8H61-I Rev 3.0 Socket 1155
http://www.cclonline.com/product/55610/90-MIBFB0-G0EAY0...

The cons here are the board is less featured and personally I would much rather the quad Phenom it is better outside of gaming and with a relatively easy OC it will level with the i3 in gaming.

If you want to build with an i5 you would have to lose the SSD and take a lower graphics card. Gaming on a single monitor with most games the Phenom and 560 448 edition combo are going to give you a better experience than an i5 and a lower GPU. Yes the Phenom is not as powerful as the i5 but pairing the i5 with a cheaper card will not give you a better experience. Gaming rig is about getting the best GPU possible (as no CPU is going to bottleneck a GPU in your budet) while balancing the rest of the parts. An i5 build on your budget would be out of balance you would simply have wasted CPU grunt compared to GPU grunt.

I also think NZlove needs to learn the price's of parts in the UK sure use an Ivybridge i5 and a 560ti but then compromise like hell to fit in the budget on everything else and end up getting lower FPS at lower details in many games than an AMD rig with a better GPU
June 24, 2012 11:28:44 AM

wr6133 said:
£600 gaming rig

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz Quad Core Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/26600/HDZ965FBGMBOX/CP...

Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 PCI-Express ATX Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/77029/GA-970A-DS3/Moth...

G.Skill 8192MB DDR3
http://www.cclonline.com/product/42189/F3-10666CL9D-8GB...

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Hard Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/66223/ST500DM002/Hard-...

Xigmatek Asgard ATX Mid Tower Case
http://www.cclonline.com/product/25920/CPC-T45UB-U01/Ca...

OCZ 700W StealthXStream II Power Supply
http://www.cclonline.com/product/75953/OCZ700SXS2-UN/Po...

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler
http://www.cclonline.com/product/76741/RR-TX3E-22PK-R1/...

Asus GeForce GTX560Ti 448 Edition Graphics Card
http://www.cclonline.com/product/70126/90-C1CRI0-X0UAY0...

60GB OCZ Agility 3 2.5" Solid State Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/58357/AGT3-25SAT3-60G/...

Samsung DVD RW
http://www.cclonline.com/product/73600/SH-222BB/BEBE/Op...

Total £605.05

Now that CPU can be OC'd and I included a cooler to do it. The 560ti 448 edition is £40 cheaper than a 570 and gives similar performance. There is an SSD for your OS and games so load times will be lightening fast and there is a 500GB HDD for normal storage. I used your budget totally on hardware if you don't already have a retail copy of windows you either need to add £69 to get windows or cut out some of the fancier bits on the build (SSD and Cooler) to fit Windows in the budget


Hi wr6133,

+1 for the build you suggested! It is ideal for budget gaming. I think OP should go with this build as it offers the best value for money.

Regards,
SmartGeek
June 24, 2012 12:24:20 PM

wr6133 said:
£600 gaming rig

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition 3.4GHz Quad Core Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/26600/HDZ965FBGMBOX/CP...

Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 PCI-Express ATX Motherboard
http://www.cclonline.com/product/77029/GA-970A-DS3/Moth...

G.Skill 8192MB DDR3
http://www.cclonline.com/product/42189/F3-10666CL9D-8GB...

Seagate Barracuda 500GB Hard Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/66223/ST500DM002/Hard-...

Xigmatek Asgard ATX Mid Tower Case
http://www.cclonline.com/product/25920/CPC-T45UB-U01/Ca...

OCZ 700W StealthXStream II Power Supply
http://www.cclonline.com/product/75953/OCZ700SXS2-UN/Po...

Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO CPU Cooler
http://www.cclonline.com/product/76741/RR-TX3E-22PK-R1/...

Asus GeForce GTX560Ti 448 Edition Graphics Card
http://www.cclonline.com/product/70126/90-C1CRI0-X0UAY0...

60GB OCZ Agility 3 2.5" Solid State Drive
http://www.cclonline.com/product/58357/AGT3-25SAT3-60G/...

Samsung DVD RW
http://www.cclonline.com/product/73600/SH-222BB/BEBE/Op...

Total £605.05

Now that CPU can be OC'd and I included a cooler to do it. The 560ti 448 edition is £40 cheaper than a 570 and gives similar performance. There is an SSD for your OS and games so load times will be lightening fast and there is a 500GB HDD for normal storage. I used your budget totally on hardware if you don't already have a retail copy of windows you either need to add £69 to get windows or cut out some of the fancier bits on the build (SSD and Cooler) to fit Windows in the budget

Link for Windows

http://www.cclonline.com/product/55272/GFC-02050/Operat...

*edit* if your after intel similar price you could use an i3 and a h61 motherboard

Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual Core Processor
http://www.cclonline.com/product/44985/BX80623I32100/CP...

Asus P8H61-I Rev 3.0 Socket 1155
http://www.cclonline.com/product/55610/90-MIBFB0-G0EAY0...

The cons here are the board is less featured and personally I would much rather the quad Phenom it is better outside of gaming and with a relatively easy OC it will level with the i3 in gaming.

If you want to build with an i5 you would have to lose the SSD and take a lower graphics card. Gaming on a single monitor with most games the Phenom and 560 448 edition combo are going to give you a better experience than an i5 and a lower GPU. Yes the Phenom is not as powerful as the i5 but pairing the i5 with a cheaper card will not give you a better experience. Gaming rig is about getting the best GPU possible (as no CPU is going to bottleneck a GPU in your budet) while balancing the rest of the parts. An i5 build on your budget would be out of balance you would simply have wasted CPU grunt compared to GPU grunt.

I also think NZlove needs to learn the price's of parts in the UK sure use an Ivybridge i5 and a 560ti but then compromise like hell to fit in the budget on everything else and end up getting lower FPS at lower details in many games than an AMD rig with a better GPU



Thank you, That was very helpful! I'm not sure if i should go down the intel build route or the AMD building route. What's better in the long term and easier to replace? I don't know much about overclocking, but i've read a lot and it's mentioned all the time. I'm just really going to use it for word processing and gaming (skyrim, bf3, fifa12 and gw2 and hopefully metro when they are released). Thank you for the configuration, it's much appreciated and very helpful.
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June 24, 2012 3:18:22 PM

Well if your talking upgrades the intel i3 could be upgraded to a i5 but next year haswell is released so that will be a new CPU socket s realistically by the time you do upgrade you will likely not be using that motherboard to upgrade anyway. With the AMD piledriver comes out later this year which should fit that board but again as with the intel i doubt you will need or plan to upgrade in such a short time so its not highly relevent.

The reason I would go with the AMD now is outside of gaming that true quad core will be better than the i3. With an overclock which is easy to do it will game as well as the i3, as you mention BF3 that is one of the few current games that will actually benefit from that quad core too on large multiplayer maps. Right now few games may make full use of more than 2 cores but as we see with BF3 (so likely any new frostbite engine games too) the trend has begun.

Now as too i5 yes this is the stronger CPU but as I said before to get a decent i5 and motherboard your going to eat up a large chunk of your budget so your going to be getting a cheaper lower GPU now in gaming terms this means your playing on lower settings we are not talking top of the line multiple GPU set ups here so bottlenecks are not a concern on the majority of games you will be GPU limited not CPU limited so we want to spend as big as we can here. Thers no point in having the best CPU in the world if your GPU sticks you on low settings especially when you could have a slightly weaker (but still strong enough) CPU and a better GPU that will allow you then to turn settings up higher.

The SSD in the build is just some icing on the cake for you as I found the 560ti 448 edition 35 quid cheaper than a 570 (similar performance) it meant we could afford the SSD which will mean your load times will be lightening fast. The whole build should keep you gaming for sometime to come definitely until we see a couple more generations of CPU's and GPU's and by then upgrading is pointless on any platform its time to build new :) 
June 24, 2012 4:41:31 PM

I will now give some advice.
Tone it down, or someone will be tuned out
June 24, 2012 4:51:40 PM

wr6133 said:
Well if your talking upgrades the intel i3 could be upgraded to a i5 but next year haswell is released so that will be a new CPU socket s realistically by the time you do upgrade you will likely not be using that motherboard to upgrade anyway. With the AMD piledriver comes out later this year which should fit that board but again as with the intel i doubt you will need or plan to upgrade in such a short time so its not highly relevent.

The reason I would go with the AMD now is outside of gaming that true quad core will be better than the i3. With an overclock which is easy to do it will game as well as the i3, as you mention BF3 that is one of the few current games that will actually benefit from that quad core too on large multiplayer maps. Right now few games may make full use of more than 2 cores but as we see with BF3 (so likely any new frostbite engine games too) the trend has begun.

Now as too i5 yes this is the stronger CPU but as I said before to get a decent i5 and motherboard your going to eat up a large chunk of your budget so your going to be getting a cheaper lower GPU now in gaming terms this means your playing on lower settings we are not talking top of the line multiple GPU set ups here so bottlenecks are not a concern on the majority of games you will be GPU limited not CPU limited so we want to spend as big as we can here. Thers no point in having the best CPU in the world if your GPU sticks you on low settings especially when you could have a slightly weaker (but still strong enough) CPU and a better GPU that will allow you then to turn settings up higher.

The SSD in the build is just some icing on the cake for you as I found the 560ti 448 edition 35 quid cheaper than a 570 (similar performance) it meant we could afford the SSD which will mean your load times will be lightening fast. The whole build should keep you gaming for sometime to come definitely until we see a couple more generations of CPU's and GPU's and by then upgrading is pointless on any platform its time to build new :) 


This is well confusing, so your saying to get an AMD CPU and get a better GPU? for example the phenom ii 965 and the geforce 560 ti? i'm not sure which GPU to then get with the AMD phenom 965? When it comes to the motherboard, would the best option to get a gigabyte motherboard if i go for phenom cpu?
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June 24, 2012 5:04:05 PM

gblackburn said:
This is well confusing, so your saying to get an AMD CPU and get a better GPU? for example the phenom ii 965 and the geforce 560 ti? i'm not sure which GPU to then get with the AMD phenom 965? When it comes to the motherboard, would the best option to get a gigabyte motherboard if i go for phenom cpu?


ok for gaming you want the best GPU you can afford the build I listed for you I believe is the best performance you will get gaming on your budget. If we used an i5 CPU we would have to get a cheaper GPU and for games that means you are turning down settings. The Phenom is more than enough CPU power to game with the graphics cards that you can afford on your budget infact it allows us to get the more powerful 560ti 448 edition if we built i5 you would have to have a weaker GPU and then it doesnt matter about the better CPU you will be runing games at lower settings due to a weaker GPU. In simpler terms an i5 with a 560 is going to run BF3 at lower settings than a Phenom II with the 560ti 448 edition.

I like to think I'm not a fanboy of AMD or Intel the build I listed for you I truly believe is the best gaming machine to fit your budget. If you really really want to go Intel for some reason then use the i3 and H61 motherboard I listed instead of the Phenom and 970 board but my recommendation is firmly on the Phenom.
June 24, 2012 6:02:23 PM

wr6133 said:
ok for gaming you want the best GPU you can afford the build I listed for you I believe is the best performance you will get gaming on your budget. If we used an i5 CPU we would have to get a cheaper GPU and for games that means you are turning down settings. The Phenom is more than enough CPU power to game with the graphics cards that you can afford on your budget infact it allows us to get the more powerful 560ti 448 edition if we built i5 you would have to have a weaker GPU and then it doesnt matter about the better CPU you will be runing games at lower settings due to a weaker GPU. In simpler terms an i5 with a 560 is going to run BF3 at lower settings than a Phenom II with the 560ti 448 edition.

I like to think I'm not a fanboy of AMD or Intel the build I listed for you I truly believe is the best gaming machine to fit your budget. If you really really want to go Intel for some reason then use the i3 and H61 motherboard I listed instead of the Phenom and 970 board but my recommendation is firmly on the Phenom.


Thank you for your help, I think I have decided to go for the AMD build, your help is much appreciated, thanks very much!
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June 24, 2012 6:05:33 PM

Your welcome, glad to help
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June 24, 2012 6:07:19 PM

gblackburn said:
This is well confusing, so your saying to get an AMD CPU and get a better GPU? for example the phenom ii 965 and the geforce 560 ti? i'm not sure which GPU to then get with the AMD phenom 965? When it comes to the motherboard, would the best option to get a gigabyte motherboard if i go for phenom cpu?


Yes, If you're picking between say a i5-2500k with a 550 TI video card (yes I said 550, I know you're looking at a 560 TI, just to make sure you know that wasn't a typo), or say a Phenom II with a 7850 video card. The price difference between the Phenom II and 2500K can make the difference (since its almost $100 bucks), the Phenom II with the 7850 is going to game better under most circumstances. Of course the 2500K with the 7850 would help you out in the few games that are CPU intensive, but these are few and far between. Sorry Intel guys.
June 24, 2012 6:20:21 PM

Anonymous said:
that is completely WRONG, all of it, higher resolutions, only in multi gpu configurations . .
http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/N/323915/original/Skyrim.png
http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/F/323907/original/Averages.png

the ONLY difference would be BF3 multi player maps . . nothing wrong with liking AMD but you don't need to conjure up false scenarios . .


Yep AMD gets owned in Skyrim. Also gets owned in Starcraft 2 and Civilization V. If you play those games a lot then Intel is right for you.

However, aside from those 3 games, an AMD powered rig will work just fine. Here is a review comparing a Nehalem, SB and BD with a single 7970 at resolutions up to 2560x1600. In these, the 8150 runs very close to the Intel's in all but those 3 games and the differences won't be enough to be noticed in game.

http://www.techpowerup.com/mobile/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_C...

I'm not saying Bulldozer is Intel's equal, I'm just saying you can have a perfectly capable and high performing gaming rig with an AMD proc. So yeah, if you've got $1700 invested in video cards and monitors then you're better off with an Intel proc. If you're running a more modest system with a $500 video card then nothing wrong with an AMD chip and it might save you a few bucks.
June 24, 2012 6:26:34 PM

wr6133 said:
Your welcome, glad to help


I've been looking up parts, I found all the parts you listed (excluding tower case) for £485.00?
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June 24, 2012 6:37:18 PM

£485?

Sure they are the same parts? Remember that GPU is the 448 cores edition not the standard 560ti (would explain the price difference)

If they are the same please share links you have found some bargains! :) 
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June 24, 2012 7:07:46 PM

bctande1 said:
A truly badly optimized game is a game that neither uses ample amounts of CPU nor GPU and fails to run well because of that, like GTA 4 or fallout.

A badly optimized game can also mean guzzling tons more CPU power and RAM than necessary to accomplish a given task.

Since today's PCs have so much processing power and RAM, many programmers pay little attention to wasted/redundant work and RAM allocations, favoring simply focusing on getting whatever they want to do done with the least programming effort possible. In complex programs, project fragmentation into teams may also introduce overheads and duplications between groups who need to perform similar computations on similar data sets but because the software architecture makes it so their respective functional units should be independent makes it impossible for the two to share results and avoid the data/processing duplication - at least not without added effort to re-arrange the project to accommodate optimizations on a case-by-case basis.

Today, bean-counter efficiency forces programmer to focus more on organizational efficiency (dividing work so people can focus on getting their share done without stepping over each others' feet) than functional optimization unless the application absolutely requires it.
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June 24, 2012 8:20:12 PM

no the 2nd is just a factory overclocked 560ti the 560ti 448 core is more powerful(nearly gtx570 level) they dont have any on that site.
June 24, 2012 8:32:20 PM

wr6133 said:
no the 2nd is just a factory overclocked 560ti the 560ti 448 core is more powerful(nearly gtx570 level) they dont have any on that site.


Ah yes, i've added everything up apart from the tower, comes to £548.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DESKTOP-COMPUTER-Galaxy-Bubble-...

I would like a more 'lit up' tower :) .
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June 24, 2012 8:34:57 PM

That would do the job if your after "lit up" as we dont have any super extreme stuff going on cutting edge cooling design isn't a big concern just choose what visually pleases you in your budget
June 24, 2012 8:37:42 PM

wr6133 said:
That would do the job if your after "lit up" as we dont have any super extreme stuff going on cutting edge cooling design isn't a big concern just choose what visually pleases you in your budget


You have been so much help, thank you, how much would you roughly estimate a screen at?
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June 24, 2012 8:51:28 PM

your welcome :) 
June 25, 2012 12:17:32 AM

Anonymous said:
hey, thanks for that link.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970_CPU_Scaling/images/perfrel.gif
if piledriver does increase performance by the anticipated 5-7% it will be a little more than *just* a lower/modest budget option.

just thought a thank you post was in order . .nothing to see here . .moving along . . .


Thats very clever. Problem is those total benchmarks are a crock and very misleading. Go back and actually look at all the benchmarks. Its 2 or 3 games where Intel runs off and leaves AMD. The rest of them, the Bulldozer is very competitive and in almost all of them, you wouldnt notice a difference in actual game play. Like I said, if you play Starcraft 2 or Civilization V a lot then youre better off with Intel. Anything else, and AMD is just fine.

And Piledriver is looking to come in at 15% better performance over Bulldozer. Its already 10+% better than Llano. Add to that not having to worry about energy efficiency, sharing half the die with an IGPU and having a L3 cache and 15% or more is pretty possible. It wont be enough to overtake Intel but if it can come in at $200 or below, itll be very competitive especially if Intel keeps charging a $240 minimum to overclock.
June 25, 2012 12:44:27 AM

Anonymous said:

and NOT to dispute you, everyone will have different hopes for PD but isn't it not a apples to apples comparison to Llano since it is an atholon cpu and not bulldozer modules? and i5 2500K do run under $180.


2500K's only run under $180 at Microcenter and since the vast majority of people dont have one anywhere near them, I dont count that. The i5-2500K is $220 right now at Newegg, followed by the i5-3570K for $230 compared to the FX-8120 for $155.

I actually just pulled the trigger on a FX-8150 yesterday for $190 and it should be here Tuesday. I went with the 8150 because its higher binned and that may mean I can get an extra MHz or two out of it. Im mainly just wanting it for some overclocking fun so it was worth the extra $25 to me. Otherwise, just get the 8120 cause its the same thing.

And Llano uses Phenom cores which are faster than Bulldozer cores in IPC so if Trinity which is using Piledriver cores is 15% faster than Llano, then I dont think its a stretch to expect 15 and maybe even 20% improvement over Bulldozer when Vishera comes out.

Piledriver doesnt have to be faster, just close enough and then if they come in with some competitive pricing, then we've got a competitive CPU market again and thats nothing but good news for us enthusiasts. ;) 
June 25, 2012 4:37:19 AM

Anonymous said:
simple, you are butt hurt. i pointed out where intel cpus perform better while gaming. you inadvertently pointed out that intel cpus perform better while still defending your precious amd choice. then you "taking on every argument i so valiantly threw at you" was just you spouting off and hurling insults.

if you really think i am off with clock speed being related to how fast a cpu is, try taking a poll. methinks you would be in the minority as to it not being clock speed. and please not just get a dictionary but know the proper use of word, not just denotation but also connotation.

and since i am in a giving mood ATM, i'll give you some unsolicited advice and suggest you just stick to the mantra that amd provides reasonable performance at an affordable cost and go no further. any other point you tried to make wasn't exactly presented in appealing manner.

i got a kick out of "kid". i'll lay any thing for a bet that i built my first rig, which had a K5 in it btw, before you wet your first diaper; no offense.




simple, you are butt hurt. i pointed out where intel cpus perform better while gaming. you inadvertently pointed out that intel cpus perform better while still defending your precious amd choice. then you "taking on every argument i so valiantly threw at you" was just you spouting off and hurling insults.

The only benchmark you put up there was skyrim, which, was not a good example of why someone should buy a more expensive CPU, because while they may see an improvement in skyrim, a CPU intensive game, they will so no relevant improvements in any other games, nice to see that I shut you up about CPU intensive games versus unoptimized games btw.. And then I said bf3 showed no diifference, and you agreed with me and put up the benchmark to prove me right, THEN you said crysis 2 was CPU intensive, so I put up the benchmark and proved you wrong again.... And wtf I agreed that INTEL makes better CPUs in terms of raw speed and performance.. I will say this once more.... The raw performance of an INTEL CPU will not be relevenat to a BUDGET gamer looking for a nice gaming build because RAW CPU speed only becomes relevant in games when you are playing CPU intensive games, which are a minority. So is there a need for a BUDGET gamer to spend an extra 50$ if he will only see an improvement in a hand ful of games? No there is not.

if you really think i am off with clock speed being related to how fast a cpu is, try taking a poll. methinks you would be in the minority as to it not being clock speed. and please not just get a dictionary but know the proper use of word, not just denotation but also connotation.
Yes, it seems you were trying to be pedantic because you were over concerned with the word speed, pointing out CPU speed can only refer to its clock speed, speed implies many different things.

and since i am in a giving mood ATM, i'll give you some unsolicited advice and suggest you just stick to the mantra that amd provides reasonable performance at an affordable cost and go no further. any other point you tried to make wasn't exactly presented in appealing manner.
"appealing" manner, wtf do you think I'm trying to make you feel comfortable with my arguement or something I don't know how the word has no implications in this arguement and please pick apart my arguement instead of making generalities.
 
i got a kick out of "kid". i'll lay any thing for a bet that i built my first rig, which had a K5 in it btw, before you wet your first diaper; no offense.
...... No one cares.........


Dude all you are doing is making generalities intead of specifically pointing out parts of my arguement you had disproven, which there were non. See how I took your arguement paragraph by paragraph ? Do that with my previous one then report back, kiddo.
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June 25, 2012 6:55:44 AM

I should sell tickets to this.
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June 25, 2012 8:28:08 AM

Guys can you bugger off and bitch at each other elsewhere your abducting this guys thread he is asking questions and getting pages of crap to read that don't even answer him.

gblackburn said:
I'm sorry, but whats the problem with this motherboard?

http://www.cclonline.com/product/77029/GA-970A-DS3/Moth...


Nothing wrong with that motherboard. Its pretty well featured the reason its cheaper than the other Gigabyte 9xx series is that its not the UD range.
June 25, 2012 2:58:17 PM

wr6133 said:
Guys can you bugger off and bitch at each other elsewhere your abducting this guys thread he is asking questions and getting pages of crap to read that don't even answer him.



Nothing wrong with that motherboard. Its pretty well featured the reason its cheaper than the other Gigabyte 9xx series is that its not the UD range.


I was thinking the exact same thing, what's the UD range and what does it mean?
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June 25, 2012 3:05:21 PM

UD = Ultra Durable

http://www.cclonline.com/product/60859/GA-990XA-UD3/Mot...
Thats a UD (using a 990 chipset) I have that board. It just uses better capacitors, double thickness copper in the PCB slightly better heatsinks on the board. Not essential the 970 I linked you before is more than fine. Only real reason to buy the 990xa-UD3 is if you ever plan to SLi 2 graphics cards the "durable" features aren't really a reason to spend alot more.

*edit for typos*
June 25, 2012 3:11:26 PM

wr6133 said:
UD = Ultra Durable

http://www.cclonline.com/product/60859/GA-990XA-UD3/Mot...
Thats a UD (using a 990 chipset) I have that board. It just uses better capacitors, double thickness copper in the PCB slightly better heatsinks on the board. Not essential the 970 I linked you before is more than fine. Only real reason to buy the 990xa-UD3 is if you ever plan to SLi 2 graphics cards the "durable" features aren't really a reason to spend alot more.

*edit for typos*


I see, i'm torn now becuase my uncle says to go intel build route, i believe he know's his stuff as he does programming for a big company i think, nova sparks or something. I am still thinking of doing the AMD build, but what's all the talk about the Piledriver and bulldozer cpu's?
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June 25, 2012 3:18:47 PM

Bulldozer (FX) was the replacement for Phenom II basically it was/is a bit crap. Piledriver is the upcoming replacement for bulldozer and should offer some improvement (your board is AM3+ so should accept piledriver if you ever wanted to upgrade).

Personally i recommend the Phenom II for the reasons I said in earlier posts but if you do go Intel don't go i5 on your budget that means getting a crappier graphics card and your gaming will suffer, if you must go intel get an i3 and bear in mind to stay in budget the mobo will be less featured.

i3
http://www.cclonline.com/product/44985/BX80623I32100/CP...

mobo
http://www.cclonline.com/product/75860/GA-H61M-S2PV/Mot...

June 25, 2012 3:22:28 PM

wr6133 said:
Bulldozer (FX) was the replacement for Phenom II basically it was/is a bit crap. Piledriver is the upcoming replacement for bulldozer and should offer some improvement (your board is AM3+ so should accept piledriver if you ever wanted to upgrade).

Personally i recommend the Phenom II for the reasons I said in earlier posts but if you do go Intel don't go i5 on your budget that means getting a crappier graphics card and your gaming will suffer, if you must go intel get an i3 and bear in mind to stay in budget the mobo will be less featured.

i3
http://www.cclonline.com/product/44985/BX80623I32100/CP...

mobo
http://www.cclonline.com/product/75860/GA-H61M-S2PV/Mot...


I think I want to get the Phenom, but i've been told different things by different people and it's a mind ***! I have some serious brainstorming to do, thank you so much for your help.
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