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June 27, 2012 11:08:29 PM

My son just got back from Kajaki Afghanistan and really likes playing BF3 on my computer.
He asked me to build him one that He can enjoy playing BF3 while he is stationed in California.
We can go online and play on the same squad and it would be really kewl !!!!

I put my computer together about three years ago, but I upgraded my two EVGA 9800GT's in
SLI mode to a single GTX 580 3 gig about 9 months ago or so. Here are my specs:

CPU: Core i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz
Speed : 2.67 GHZ (overclocked to 3.8)
Motherboard: ASUS P6T DELUXE V2
Memory: 12 gigs of Corsair CM3X2G1600C9 2GB DIMM DDR3 PC3-12800U DDR3-1600
Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 580 (1584) 3 gigs of mem
Hard drives: "2" WDC WD740ADFD-00NLR5 (74.4GB, SATA150, 3.5", 10000rpm, NCQ, 16MB Cache) : 69GB ( I have BF3 installed in a seperate partition by itself )
"1" WDC WD7500AADS-00L5B1 (750.2GB, SATA300, 3.5", NCQ, 32MB Cache) : 699GB
dvd:HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH20LP20 (ATA66, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 2MB Cache)
Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A (ATA66, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 2MB Cache)
Case: Antec nine hundred two
X-fi XtremeGamer sound card
Creative Labs T7700 7.1 surround sound speaker system
Zalman 9900 LCD CPU cooler ******* at least im not running a stock cooler
Corsair TX850W Power Supply
Cyberpoint 850 AVR LED UP
Acer GD235 monitor ( 120 hz for 3D, and only 1920 x 1080 )
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So my Son already has a monitor and mouse and keyboard and just wants me to build him a system where He can play BF3 on very high settings, but not extreme.

I prefer Asus motherboards and corsair memory and psu's My old GT9800's at one gig each did very well, so Im thinking two GTX 560TI's or what for Dans puter ?

The onboard 7.1 sound is ok for him for now. I was thinking 200 for MB and 200 for Video card 100 for case 120 for psu and

For 1028 plus shipping, this is what I was thinking of going for:
Dans Computer Build

Intel Core I5 2500K $220
Corsair Enthusiast TX750V2 PSU $110
Lite on iHas 24X DVD burner $20
Corsair Vengeance 8GB Memory
2 x 4 ddr3 1600 240 $60
Asus P8Z77 Pro LGA1155 MB $209
Antec Nine Hundred ATXv3.0 case $100
EVGA 2 GB 1469KR GTX560 Graphic Card $209
OS windows 7 64 bit $100
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Gaming Machine $ 1028 plus shipping


I had a friend tell me about the MB having built in Graphics card which
I dont know much about......But I am open to any suggestions for the
best bang for the buck for my son to play BF3

Thank you so much for any help, I appreciate it !!!


I have been reminded that I did not include a Hard Drive here........OOP's I would get a 7200rpm Maxtor 1tb for normal stuff and a 10K rpm raptor 70gig HD just for playing the game on. Some say a Solid state HD would be better ????? Im all ears !!

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June 27, 2012 11:14:54 PM

I forgot to mention that while I do really like the ANTEC 900 TWO case I have, its a pain in the neck to take the side off of the case and then unscrew 8 screws in order
to be able to get to the two screens that are in front of the Fans. I do not know if
this has been fixed with the newer version with usb 3.0

Also I forgot to add a fan to the CPU to replace the stock one.
Cooler Master Hyper N 520 for $36 bucks ??? $1064 plus shipping now
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June 27, 2012 11:40:06 PM

Looks great! The only suggestion I have is to make sure You get the ti version (I was a little confused as in the pc specs you said just a regular 560) without a reference cooler then overclock it a bit, I had a Phenom II x4 965 at 3.7 GHz which is not as good as that 2500k and a 560 ti at 1030 MHz and I could play BF3 at about 60 on high. A GPU overclock paired with a slight CPU overclock would run tahe game pretty darn well on high, and to save a little money, just get a 600 or 650 watt PSU, unless you plan on running SLI in the future, best of luck! Feel fee to ask questions.
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June 27, 2012 11:41:20 PM

Also, I'm sure Antec has tried to address the issue, if not, my Antec 300 works like a champ!
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June 28, 2012 12:07:21 AM

Do you plan to OC? or Crossfire in the future?

That would make part selection easier.

If no CF/SLI, get a smaller PSU.

If no OC, get the regular i5-2500.

I also wouldn't spend $210 on a mobo for a $1000 build.

Spend more on a GPU.
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June 28, 2012 12:30:07 AM

I would also suggest sticking to a single video card with a smaller PSU, and spending less on the motherboard. Two GPUs will crowd your case and add a lot more heat, when you could just spend the cash on a single more powerful card. Even a single 560 Ti should be enough to run BF3, but for the cost of two of them, a GTX 670 will offer stellar performance (with lower power consumption and less heat) and should last for several years to come, whereas the 560 is already a few years into its lifespan.

The question about overclocking is pertinent as well. If you are not planning on overclocking, I'd actually suggest getting an Ivy Bridge i5 instead of the Sandy Bridge. You'll get a 10-15% performance boost with the newer architecture and spend the same amount of money. The IB chip also in conjunction with a basic Z77 board will let you use Lucid Virtu MVP to use the i5's on-chip graphics to compliment your discrete GPU's performance, instead of just being extra dead weight that does nothing.

For HSF, I'd suggest a coolermaster Hyper212 + or EVO. I also notice you don't have a hard drive in your list - do you already have a spare on hand you're planning to use?

As for cases, take a look at the Antec Eleven Hundred. This is a great performer according to the recent roundups, and you could add a couple more 120mm intake fans for pocket change. You can get to the intake filters just by popping off the front panel, though some reviews on newegg suggest that doing so over the course of a year or more might strain or break the retaining tabs eventually. I was also personally very impressed with the Coolermaster Storm Sniper that I helped a roommate build his rig in, though it costs a bit more up front. Additionally, the CM HAF XM is the midtower version of the HAF X I am currently using, which has a front panel dust filter that is easy to remove and clean. Honestly, there are a lot of choices for cases, you could probably find any number you'd be happy with.
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June 28, 2012 12:30:17 AM

The GTX480s are going for $200. You may want to give him your computer & build yourself a new one.;-)
Bruce
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June 28, 2012 1:13:19 AM

Here's a set of links for ya:


Intel i5 3570k:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

There are other i5 ivy bridge chips that would also be perfectly viable if you're not overclocking and shave up to $30 off.


Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO HSF:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


ASUS P8Z77-V LK Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Corsair Enthusiast 650W PSU, currently $60 after promo code and rebate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Corsair 2x4GB DDR1600 RAM - I'd pick these over the vengeance, you need to make sure your heat spreaders don't interfere with your HSF:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Antec Eleven Hundred:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CM Storm Sniper:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CM HAF XM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 28, 2012 2:37:45 PM

Thank you all so much for all the help !!!! I cant tell you how much I appreciate such fast responses and great info and help,
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June 28, 2012 9:28:26 PM

Does maxtor even make hard drives still? O_o

Any brand for the secondary drive is fine though, IMO.

You should *definitely* get an SSD instead of a Raptor for the boot/gaming drive. The difference is huge, and with the recent price drops it will probably cost you about the same, if not less.

Here's a Corsair 120GB SSD going for $90 after rebate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


And if you want to spring a little extra to fit more games, here's an OCZ 256GB for $200 with an instant promo code (EMCNDHB35):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 30, 2012 12:28:25 AM

Best answer selected by ctguy1955.
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June 30, 2012 12:30:14 AM

ctguy1955 said:
My son just got back from Kajaki Afghanistan and really likes playing BF3 on my computer.
He asked me to build him one that He can enjoy playing BF3 while he is stationed in California.
We can go online and play on the same squad and it would be really kewl !!!!

I put my computer together about three years ago, but I upgraded my two EVGA 9800GT's in
SLI mode to a single GTX 580 3 gig about 9 months ago or so. Here are my specs:

CPU: Core i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz
Speed : 2.67 GHZ (overclocked to 3.8)
Motherboard: ASUS P6T DELUXE V2
Memory: 12 gigs of Corsair CM3X2G1600C9 2GB DIMM DDR3 PC3-12800U DDR3-1600
Video Card: NVIDIA GTX 580 (1584) 3 gigs of mem
Hard drives: "2" WDC WD740ADFD-00NLR5 (74.4GB, SATA150, 3.5", 10000rpm, NCQ, 16MB Cache) : 69GB ( I have BF3 installed in a seperate partition by itself )
"1" WDC WD7500AADS-00L5B1 (750.2GB, SATA300, 3.5", NCQ, 32MB Cache) : 699GB
dvd:HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GH20LP20 (ATA66, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 2MB Cache)
Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A (ATA66, DVD+-RW, CD-RW, 2MB Cache)
Case: Antec nine hundred two
X-fi XtremeGamer sound card
Creative Labs T7700 7.1 surround sound speaker system
Zalman 9900 LCD CPU cooler ******* at least im not running a stock cooler
Corsair TX850W Power Supply
Cyberpoint 850 AVR LED UP
Acer GD235 monitor ( 120 hz for 3D, and only 1920 x 1080 )
***********************************************************************************************************************************
So my Son already has a monitor and mouse and keyboard and just wants me to build him a system where He can play BF3 on very high settings, but not extreme.

I prefer Asus motherboards and corsair memory and psu's My old GT9800's at one gig each did very well, so Im thinking two GTX 560TI's or what for Dans puter ?

The onboard 7.1 sound is ok for him for now. I was thinking 200 for MB and 200 for Video card 100 for case 120 for psu and

For 1028 plus shipping, this is what I was thinking of going for:
Dans Computer Build

Intel Core I5 2500K $220
Corsair Enthusiast TX750V2 PSU $110
Lite on iHas 24X DVD burner $20
Corsair Vengeance 8GB Memory
2 x 4 ddr3 1600 240 $60
Asus P8Z77 Pro LGA1155 MB $209
Antec Nine Hundred ATXv3.0 case $100
EVGA 2 GB 1469KR GTX560 Graphic Card $209
OS windows 7 64 bit $100
********************************************
Gaming Machine $ 1028 plus shipping



Dan....I do like this Hard Drive for you...... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I had a friend tell me about the MB having built in Graphics card which
I dont know much about......But I am open to any suggestions for the
best bang for the buck for my son to play BF3

Thank you so much for any help, I appreciate it !!!


I have been reminded that I did not include a Hard Drive here........OOP's I would get a 7200rpm Maxtor 1tb for normal stuff and a 10K rpm raptor 70gig HD just for playing the game on. Some say a Solid state HD would be better ????? Im all ears !!

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June 30, 2012 12:32:20 AM

great advice
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June 30, 2012 1:01:12 AM

Intel i5 3570k: $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO HSF: $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P8Z77-V LK Motherboard $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS ENGTX560 TI DCII TOP/2DI/1GD5 GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Corsair 2x4GB DDR1600 RAM $47
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CM Storm sniper Case $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GBGT-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Lite On DVD Burner iHAS324-99 $22
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So this is looking good right now !!!! we are at 1074 bucks for the above (plus shipping) HD PSU case ram mb gpu cpu cpu fan DVD 9 items to buy....what did I forget this time?
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June 30, 2012 4:35:38 AM

Looks great! I think you'll be very happy with that build.

I assume you already have that Maxtor 1TB secondary HDD on hand, and maybe some Arctic Silver to use with the HSF? If so, I think you're all set.

Oh, and don't forget a Windows license!
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June 30, 2012 4:44:35 AM

I would swap out the 560ti for a Radeon HD 7850. Otherwise looks like an awesome build. The 7850 is just a better card across the board. 2GB card, less power consumption, less heat, great overclocking abilities.
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June 30, 2012 4:58:57 AM

rblenden said:
I would swap out the 560ti for a Radeon HD 7850. Otherwise looks like an awesome build. The 7850 is just a better card across the board. 2GB card, less power consumption, less heat, great overclocking abilities.



I'm not a big fan of AMD/ATI cards personally, but that's actually a good recommendation which is also echoed by Tom's GPU guide. I'd suggested a 670 instead of buying a pair of 560s to SLI for the same cost, but a 7850 would serve better than a 560 Ti as a solo midrange card.
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June 30, 2012 5:11:05 AM

The 670 card is a monster. Definately what I would go with if you had the budget. Being able to crossfire two 7850's on a 500w power supply is pretty sick though haha. Not that the op needs to since he's buying a 750w psu.

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June 30, 2012 6:15:26 PM

I personally only buy EVGA geforce cards for my computer builds. Everyone has favorites and there is nothing wrong with that. My GTX580 (1584) is warranted
for a lifetime, and that is something that is very important to me. I spent 500 bucks
on it and most likely I will pick up another one a year or so down the road when the 700 series comes out and the price drops down, and I will run in SLI mode or sell it and pick up a 600 series or whatever is needed for the games out at that time.


Dans girlfriend says her OS license is for two machines, so as long as its win 7 64 bit, Im fine with it........but if not, Im hoping if he buys a new licence now for win 7
that it will include a free update to win 8 like my vista did when I put my computer together. I also advised him to get a battery backup/Voltage Regulator from
Cyberpower ( 850 AVR ).
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July 15, 2012 10:50:05 PM


My Son is ordering the parts for me to build his computer and the thermal Grease is the only thing I did not have on his list. Artic Silver is good ???? How Much ?

My last question that I need help with is the video card. Keep in mind that playing BF3 is the thing that is the most important for now.

The 570 costs a little more, and it does have 280 more megs of ram the the Ti card.

The Ti card seems to have higher core clocks and I just dont know which aspects are more important when it comes to
shader clocks and cuda cores and other differences, so that is why Im coming here to ask for help in
which one of these two cards would you get. Eventually he can buy two of them and run in SLI mode and I thought
the 560 Ti would run the game really nice for now with one care and then a few weeks down the road he could
add another card for SLI and run in Ultra settings.

My 580 with 3 gigs sure runs it very nice in ultra in 60 degree FOV mode, but does my 120 HTZ monitor make any difference in 2D mode compared
to a normal monitor ????? Does mine refresh faster ???

So I guess I asked two questions. Dan said he could always buy another monitor down the road if it meant that much of a difference in 2D mode. He does
not play 3D games at all.


He could not find a place in California near Oceanside willing to build him the computer using the parts list specified and one guy offered ( home job, not storefront )
to build it for 140 bucks with no warranty at all. I told Dan to ask newegg for a package deal. If your buying everything from one place and you want it all
shipped in one large box at the same time, they it should be cheaper then mailing all at different times in different boxes. They only wanted 12 bucks to ship the
case, which is the largest and most heavy object and many of the parts ship for free anyway.


Thank you so much for all of the help that you have given so far, I really appreciate it as being 57 and having built 6 PC's back in the day, I have just not kept up
with the technology of anything past Pent 4 cpu's and the days of Front Side Buss being very important and now I rely on you younger kids to help me out.





The following is the specs on the two cards with the info about cuda cores and core clocks, ect........



EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card ((( $214 after rebate )))

Chipset Manufacturer:
NVIDIA

Core Clock:
850 Mhz (v.s. 822 Mhz reference)

Shader Clock:
1700 Mhz (v.s. 1645 Mhz reference)

CUDA Cores:
384

Effective Memory Clock:
4104 Mhz (v.s. 4000 Mhz reference)

DirectX:
DirectX 11

OpenGL:
OpenGL 4.1

HDMI:
1 x mini HDMI


********************************************************************************************************************************


EVGA 012-P3-1570-AR GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card ((( $259 with rebate )))
one point two eight gigs of mem instead of just one gig of mem in the other card.

Chipset Manufacturer:
NVIDIA

Core Clock:
732MHz

Shader Clock:
1464MHz

CUDA Cores:
480

Effective Memory Clock:
3800MHz

DirectX:
DirectX 11

OpenGL:
OpenGL 4.1

HDMI:
1 x mini HDMI


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Intel i5 3570k: $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO HSF: $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P8Z77-V LK Motherboard $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

NEW VIDEO CARD WITH LIFETIME WARRANTY ((( revised July 12th 2012)))
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16
HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 214.99 with mail in rebate. ( 244.00 )
Or do we go with the 570 ?????????


Corsair 2x4GB DDR1600 RAM $47
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CM Storm sniper Case $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Revised SSD hard drive (july 12th 2012)
Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)


Lite On DVD Burner iHAS324-99 $22
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Operating System OS Win 7 100 bucks
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July 21, 2012 4:17:03 PM

Grab the 570 and don't give it a second thought. The 560ti is a decent card but it won't hold up on the upper end settings on much over 1280x1024. I didnt see what monitor your son will be using, but if like a lot of people these days if he's using a larger monitor and planning on running 1080p then the 560 just wont hold up over medium settings. It's all a very subjective point though. What seems unplayable to one person may be totally fine with another. The difference in quality from high to ultra settings is very minimal but usually puts a much larger burden on your card. In benchmark testing though the 570 beats it pretty handidly. The 570 at full tilt does however use as much as 29% more power than the 560.

Good Luck!!
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July 21, 2012 10:26:29 PM

Thank you Rblenden, the parts are all ordered and will be here in a few days. He could not find anyone in California to do it for a decent price so I will do it for him. He can only get the manufacturers warranty now, but he did take extra insurance out on the MB and the GPU. I look forward to playing BF3 online with him in my squad !

I really appreciate your comments, as well as all of the others here who helped me.
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July 24, 2012 3:03:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Weeb3rnFvJk&feature=plc...


I am happy to report that
The computer is finished and I will be shipping it out to California today.

It took me about 8 hours to complete, but I had to look up stuff on the internet
and make some phone calls. The SSD was so tiny and the instructions had a
photo of using it in a laptop......so I thought I had the wrong one.

Dan will buy a 1 TB WC 7200 HD in a few weeks, but the 128 gigs
is fine for the OS and BF3.

He will also start looking on Craigslist for another 570 that is used
where someone has upgraded to the 600 series, and running the
two in SLI should make BF3 scream.

The only problem I had was the ethernet. The ASUS disk had two
sets of drivers for the onboard ethernet and I chose one. The
computer keeps thinking it has a modem and wants to dial out
and while Ive had that problem before and solved it, I could not
in time. The LAN side was not enabled and I could not do a bridge.

I love that Case !!!!!!!!!!! 3 really big fans and then two 120mm fans.
So nice not having to use screws, all done by hand only !!!

I cant thank you all enough for all the help you gave me in
picking out the parts and I know Dan is really going to
enjoy playing BF3 with his Dad on the net !!!!
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July 24, 2012 3:09:04 PM


The Lite ON dvd burner came as a ASUS brand !! KEWL !!!
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September 11, 2012 8:53:55 PM

Ah, sorry I stopped responding, got caught up in other things. It looks like you got everything sorted out though!

I watched the youtube video you posted of the build, and my only concern is that you mounted the HSF vertically and the video card is probably hampering the intake. Obviously if it's all been working fine then you don't have much to worry about, but if you rotate the cooler sideways so that the fan is on the right side, it will pull cool air from the front of the case and exhaust it out the back with the help of the chassis fans, and you will probably see some lower CPU temps. I'd also love to know the name of the song playing during the video, it's fantastic!

Glad to help with this project, please thank your son for his service on our behalf. :) 
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September 11, 2012 9:54:19 PM

ckholt83 said:
Ah, sorry I stopped responding, got caught up in other things. It looks like you got everything sorted out though!

I watched the youtube video you posted of the build, and my only concern is that you mounted the HSF vertically and the video card is probably hampering the intake. Obviously if it's all been working fine then you don't have much to worry about, but if you rotate the cooler sideways so that the fan is on the right side, it will pull cool air from the front of the case and exhaust it out the back with the help of the chassis fans, and you will probably see some lower CPU temps. I'd also love to know the name of the song playing during the video, it's fantastic!

Glad to help with this project, please thank your son for his service on our behalf. :) 




I cant believe the cooler is backwards, the name is horizontal where you can read it and that fan can be moved from
one side to the other if Im not mistaken...its been awhile and I dont have instructions, I mailed everything in the box.

Because there is so many fans that are really big in front and top and side and I added another fan on bottom, I
dont think there are any heating problems, but my son never overclocked it at all either. He says he is happy
with it the way it is. Asus has the new great software that OC's it for you too !

The song is from a movie with Demi Moore from 2006 called Half Light
http://www.soundtrack.net/albums/database/?id=4131
and I believe " Girl in the storm " is the one I used for the Dans Computer video. of the 29 songs, there are at least 5 that are just as good.

Things worked out really well and Dan is very happy and Im almost jealous of his computer. He spent half of what I did and mine is only two years older, but the technology just changes so much and so fast.

I cant thank you enough for all of the help you gave me !! I sure do appreciate it a lot !!!!
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