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NVidia 7850 Equivalent... 660Ti? 670?

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May 4, 2012 1:42:43 AM

Hello,

So I would like to buy the GPU for my new system within two weeks. I had almost decided on an ASUS 7850, but I really like Nvidia... the cores help with C++ programs, and the drivers are nice. The thing is that Nvidia is more pricey... but that's for a later time :sarcastic: 

Anyway, I had almost decided on a 7850 (vs, say, a 560 Ti) because of price/performance, some extra RAM, and, most importantly, the OC potential... I've heard 40% from people who own it without any extra special cooling. I've heard that the 660Ti may be delayed until Q3... which seems to be true as far as I know. I don't really want to buy something older like a 480, since I'm always hesitant about buying old hardware. Any suggestions? I can probably stretch to $300... but any more, and we really start pushing it.

By the way, two fans (or more) are a must and it has to be quiet... so MSI Twin Frozr II OC, ASUS, Gigabyte (sometimes), and Sapphire are preferred. That's to factor in the price.

Thanks!
a b Î Nvidia
May 4, 2012 7:04:22 AM

Yes, 660 Ti/660 would be probably priced around $250. If you really want to wait to Q3 2012, it seems worthwhile to wait for them. Otherwise if you don't want, go and stay with the 7850. Also note, if you wait until those NVidia card are released, 7870 may have been dropped in price to 7850 pricing...
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May 4, 2012 8:04:30 AM

refillable said:
Yes, 660 Ti/660 would be probably priced around $250. If you really want to wait to Q3 2012, it seems worthwhile to wait for them. Otherwise if you don't want, go and stay with the 7850. Also note, if you wait until those NVidia card are released, 7870 may have been dropped in price to 7850 pricing...


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a b Î Nvidia
May 4, 2012 8:15:04 AM

What no
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May 4, 2012 8:32:24 AM

7870 will not drop 100$ in 3 months.
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May 4, 2012 11:21:32 AM

Yeah, I know that the 7870 won't drop. How much will the 670 go for? Is it worth it? Overclockability in Kepler cards is something I know next to nothing about, as well.
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a b Î Nvidia
May 4, 2012 11:33:34 AM

I said after the release of the Kepler card... If the kepler card is too good for AMD (as it is for the GTX 680)... Say a 660 Ti is priced $250 and performs like 7870, 7870 will drop $100.

I think 670 will be priced like 7950 now, but yes it is a prediction... Yes Kepler doesn't OC as well as AMD GCN, but it is still acceptable, I think I saw a 680 getting stable at 1150Mhz easily.
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May 4, 2012 12:05:39 PM

Well... I guess I have to ask this, then. Any reason why you guys would go with Nvidia? I mean, I know AMD/Radeon because it's cheaper and better OCing, but I'm kind of worried about drivers. Someone told me that it's better to go Nvidia for mathematical calculations because of the CUDA cores, but any math calculations I need to run can be done at my University's "supercomputer".

Do any of you guys have a 7850? A 7870 will also be good to know about, but a 7850 would be the best. How are drivers?

Really, why would I go Nvidia?
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a b Î Nvidia
May 4, 2012 12:17:10 PM

Pricing for the 670 is starting at 399$ as of right now. Sources also tell me that OC editions are pricing around 415-425 starting. The GTX 660 is going to run around 249$. More info and possible release date for 670 is May 10th. the 660 and 660 ti are going to be a little later in the year due to issues within the kepler process.
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a b Î Nvidia
May 4, 2012 12:17:26 PM

The 7870 is going to get you in the $350-$400 range.

A GTX 570 at stock ($300) would, in most cases, be better than an OC'd 7850, and you'd still have a warranty.
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a b Î Nvidia
May 4, 2012 12:20:13 PM

Kepler GK104 has weak compute calculation... I think NVidia design it like that for purpose...

There is absolutely a point of getting NVidia...
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May 4, 2012 12:45:58 PM

Refillable, did you mean "no point of getting Nvidia" or that I should get Nvidia? I think I'll go with Radeon.

Also, does OCing your GPU void your warranty? I didn't know that... how would you stress-test it to make sure it doesn't fail, then? Would you stress test at stock and not OC for like a month? I'm just worried that it'll run into issues not caused by my OCing.
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May 4, 2012 12:50:09 PM

why nvidia? on general consensus it has more quality driver (means more stable, less buggy/hassle, friendly ui, better update), more features, better support in gaming community (sli profiles, 3d profiles, optimized in many games). Altough, in this 600series gen, nvidia has to compromise its compute power (silly, the only drawback for now).
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May 4, 2012 1:18:33 PM

I haven't heard any complaints from 7850 owners on driver issues, though.

What features does Nvidia have that AMD doesn't?
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a b Î Nvidia
May 4, 2012 1:31:14 PM

Physx, better video quality. FXAA, TXAA etc. Just go to NVIDIA's website and see their technologies. CUDA is my favorite.
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May 4, 2012 1:37:14 PM

Is it anything that affects framerate, or does it just improve video quality? I mean, it doesn't mean the card is faster... just that it can make graphics better, right?

I haven't seen anything that really affects benchmarks.
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May 4, 2012 1:55:36 PM

Rockdpm said:
Physx, better video quality. FXAA, TXAA etc. Just go to NVIDIA's website and see their technologies. CUDA is my favorite.


CUDA is moving to Quaddro exclusively. The compute power of the "gaming" GTS and GTX graphics cards will be artificially limited going forward. If you like CUDA, prepare to spend 3-5 times as much for the "same" chip flashed to a different BIOS moving forward.

In other news, OpenCL, supported by all new AMD HD7XXX series GPUs, is becoming more and more popular. Adobe's CS6 products are reported to have support for OpenCL.
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May 4, 2012 3:08:39 PM

I mean, there is a point of getting nvidia, there is a point to wait for other keplers.
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May 4, 2012 4:44:28 PM

refillable said:
I mean, there is a point of getting nvidia, there is a point to wait for other keplers.


The point of GeForce is gaming, the point of Quadro is workstation/design/compute. Nvidia is quietly making distinct product differentiations between the two lines. There is no point in waiting until September (at the earliest) for a graphics card that has no hard launch date.
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May 4, 2012 6:37:48 PM

You were saying something about OpenCL? Is it okay? Please report objectively... I've seen way too many comments (not here,mind you, but when I'm helping people on builds) where a "fanboy" will be raving about their brand and not offer any actual benchmarks/statistics/graphs, etc.

Also, that makes me wonder... is there anything in AMD/Radeon's GPUs that Nvidia doesn't have? Meaning things that AMD/Radeon does better (besides overclocking and price/performance, as well as availability).
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May 4, 2012 8:42:14 PM

ddan49 said:
You were saying something about OpenCL? Is it okay? Please report objectively... I've seen way too many comments (not here,mind you, but when I'm helping people on builds) where a "fanboy" will be raving about their brand and not offer any actual benchmarks/statistics/graphs, etc.

Also, that makes me wonder... is there anything in AMD/Radeon's GPUs that Nvidia doesn't have? Meaning things that AMD/Radeon does better (besides overclocking and price/performance, as well as availability).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL

OpenCL is an open GPU compute instruction set. It is an emerging alternative to CUDA.
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May 4, 2012 8:52:22 PM

OpenCL can get updated through software, right? Like if I want the next version, I can just download the drivers?
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May 4, 2012 10:39:33 PM

ddan49 said:
OpenCL can get updated through software, right? Like if I want the next version, I can just download the drivers?


OpenCL is updated via the drivers for the graphics card. You will see it in the installation of the driver software and when it updates.
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May 4, 2012 11:21:38 PM

Do you personally have an AMD/Radeon card? I don't have any hands-on experience with a lot of components. Any driver issues? Also, I think my question has been answered.
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May 4, 2012 11:22:26 PM

Best answer selected by ddan49.
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May 8, 2012 3:58:46 AM

ddan49 said:

Also, that makes me wonder... is there anything in AMD/Radeon's GPUs that Nvidia doesn't have? Meaning things that AMD/Radeon does better (besides overclocking and price/performance, as well as availability).


What AMD cards have that NVIDIA doesn't is Eyefinity.
AMD cards could drive up to 6 monitors per card. Yes, that's per card. So if you have four of them bad boys in your rig, 24 monitors setup is not a dream.

I think NVIDIA wins with PhysX support, now that Kepler's power consumption and price is on par with Southern Islands, and Kepler reportedly could now drive up to 3 monitors, there's no reason not to get equivalent NVIDIA cards for $10-$20 more just for PhysX support.

I mean, come on, 7850 for $250 vs 660 Ti for $265, roughly same performance, both low wattage reqs, both silent, but one of them has PhysX support. But then again, we can get 7850 NOW. So, AMD wins (for now).
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May 8, 2012 12:04:57 PM

Multiple monitors aren't for me ;) 

I'll see if the 660 Ti can come out a little earlier just for me
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