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Core 2 duo E8500 @3.6ghz to AMD FX-4100 @3.60Ghz good?

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November 3, 2012 2:55:51 PM

Hello,
This is my first post so be kind ;) 

Well i want to upgrade my cpu at year end and I don't know if the FX 4100 is worth the buy.

I personaly think this cpu is still ok for now. I am a serious gamer and play Battlefield 3 (online) everyday at medium settings. So can you guys tel me if i should upgrade my cpu or gpu first?

My system specs:

Cpu: Intel core 2 duo E8500 @ 3.6 ghz
Gpu: HD 4850 512MB
Ram: Corsair 4gig ddr2 800
PSU: Superchannel S500 :??: 

(Sorry if my English is bad :na:  )
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November 3, 2012 3:09:28 PM

Hi, What motherboard do you use?
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November 3, 2012 3:12:52 PM

alexoiu said:
Hi, What motherboard do you use?


hi,

Thanks for the reply.
I use the MSI MS-7514
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November 3, 2012 3:20:19 PM

Many models. Can you be more specific, or give a link? Does the board support the FX-4100?
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November 3, 2012 3:32:27 PM

alexoiu said:
Many models. Can you be more specific, or give a link? Does the board support the FX-4100?


It only supports Intel's socket 775. If you can tell me if the fx 4100 is worth buying for battlefield 3 playing at 1280x1024 resolutions then i am going to by a new motherboard , and ram with the fx-4100.

What i want to buy:

RAM: http://www.comx-computers.co.za/computer-hardware.php?c...

MOBO : http://www.comx-computers.co.za/760GM-P21-FX-MSI-AMD-76...

CPU: http://www.comx-computers.co.za/FD4100WMGUSBX-AMD-FX-41...

Is this a good upgrade or should i rather upgrade my GPU ?

Sorry if I was unclear. :) 
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November 3, 2012 3:40:46 PM

Stanton_11 said:
Hello,
This is my first post so be kind ;) 

Well i want to upgrade my cpu at year end and I don't know if the FX 4100 is worth the buy.

I personaly think this cpu is still ok for now. I am a serious gamer and play Battlefield 3 (online) everyday at medium settings. So can you guys tel me if i should upgrade my cpu or gpu first?

My system specs:

Cpu: Intel core 2 duo E8500 @ 3.6 ghz
Gpu: HD 4850 512MB
Ram: Corsair 4gig ddr2 800
PSU: Superchannel S500 :??: 

(Sorry if my English is bad :na:  )


Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 @ 3.6 GHz. Are you sure about this...???
I think it is 3.16 GHz.
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November 3, 2012 3:42:46 PM

vinaykumar5320 said:
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 @ 3.6 GHz. Are you sure about this...???
I think it is 3.16 GHz.


HI,
It is overclocked to 3.6 ghz at the moment. :D 
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November 3, 2012 3:53:48 PM

alexoiu said:
Now I see that the CPU is an Intel one.Here's a test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbUUTQOZ3wY. There are other similar videos on Youtube. It's for you to decide.


OK. Thanks allot. So I will upgrade my cpu first and then later on upgrade my gpu ? (looking for a hd 6850 :bounce:  ).
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November 3, 2012 3:57:18 PM

If the main purpose is gaming than IMO no the Bulldozer and Piledriver aren't worth it. The I5 is the best choice and is far ahead in perfomance especially in single threaded programs like games. The I5 is faster and more effcient than anything AMD offers right now.
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November 3, 2012 4:01:06 PM

Upgrade firstly the motherboard, CPU and RAMs, see how it goes, and then decide if you need upgrading the GPU too. Here's a chart that might help you regarding the CPU: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
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November 3, 2012 4:06:08 PM

rds1220 said:
If the main purpose is gaming than IMO no the Bulldozer and Piledriver aren't worth it. The I5 is the best choice and is far ahead in perfomance especially in single threaded programs like games. The I5 is faster and more effcient than anything AMD offers right now.


I realy like Intel cpu's but i am on a real tight budget at the moment so i will stick to my current build and save up for Intel .
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November 3, 2012 4:08:53 PM

alexoiu said:
Upgrade firstly the motherboard, CPU and RAMs, see how it goes, and then decide if you need upgrading the GPU too. Here's a chart that might help you regarding the CPU: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html


Passmark is a joke and can't be taken seriously, it is one of the worst benchmarking programs. Here are some real benchmarks:

















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November 3, 2012 4:12:07 PM

Stanton_11 said:
I realy like Intel cpu's but i am on a real tight budget at the moment so i will stick to my current build and save up for Intel .


Well how tight, what is your budget? You could also go with the I3 it's cheaper and will perform just fine on pretty much all games.
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November 3, 2012 4:16:01 PM

Stanton_11 said:
HI,
It is overclocked to 3.6 ghz at the moment. :D 


Yes, you should upgrade your CPU & Mobo first, and then bother about GPU.

And, Really, FX 4100 isn't worth it. Even an Intel Pentium G2120 beats it in most of the gaming benchmarks.

If you really are a serious gamer. extend your budget a bit and go for Intel Core i5 3570K.

It's worth every penny, and I bet, you won't regret it, even if you run it at stock speed.

And, after you overclock it, you can do wonders, believe me. AMD Stands nowhere when it comes to i5 or higher. (I'm impressed at your overclocking ability with your Core 2 Duo. I think you'll prove to be a good master of 3570K !!!).

For, the Mobo, pick up a Z77. Gigabyte or ASUS.
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November 3, 2012 4:24:28 PM

With only 230 dollars your not going to be able to do much on either side Intel or AMD. That I3 is fine but if you are saving up you might as well save up and go one step better and get the I5.
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November 3, 2012 4:33:10 PM

@rds1220 No argue, but according to your post, 3470 is better than 3570k or 3770k? I wouldn't say that Passmark is a joke. You can't judge a CPU only through game performnce, where from a certain level up what does count is the GPU and not the CPU.
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November 3, 2012 4:39:43 PM

alexoiu said:
@rds1220 No argue, but according to your post, 3470 is better than 3570k? I wouldn't say that Passmark is a joke. You can't judge a CPU only through game performnce, where from a certain level up it counts the GPU and not the CPU.


Passmark is highly unreliable and uses results submitted by end users. This can easily skew the results. It's no better than going onto NewEgg and using the "reviews" as proof as to how good or bad a CPU is. There is nothing scientific about the process and it's to easy to have bias or skew results.
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November 3, 2012 4:48:24 PM

Thanks allot guys for all your help and i will most definitaly get a i5 soon.
What do you guys think of the Intel i5-2320 3.0 ghz ? And it is at a good price aswell.
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November 3, 2012 5:14:36 PM

Stanton_11 said:
Thanks allot guys for all your help and i will most definitaly get a i5 soon.
What do you guys think of the Intel i5-2320 3.0 ghz ? And it is at a good price aswell.


Not a very good value for money, but still, a very nice option.
I wonder if you could extend your budget to at least i5 3450, a generation ahead, with no significant price difference.
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November 3, 2012 5:41:45 PM

vinaykumar5320 said:
Not a very good value for money, but still, a very nice option.
I wonder if you could extend your budget to at least i5 3450, a generation ahead, with no significant price difference.


Yes that makes sence! Will save for the i5 3450! You guys really helped me not to waste my money to buy AMD ***. :D 
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November 3, 2012 6:08:21 PM

Something else to think about, do you plan on overclocking? If not than the I5 3450 is fine, if you do plan on overclocking you will want to get 3570K. You won't really be able to overclock the 3450, not to the same level as a CPU with an unlocked multiplier like 2500k or 3570K.
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November 3, 2012 7:07:51 PM

Good performance in BF3 multiplayer requires 4+ cores, good single thread performance and good gpu performance - its a greedy pig!
I presume single player frame rates at 1280x1024 are ok otherwise upgrade gpu.
If you want a higher frame rate in multiplayer then consider upgrading cpu to second hand socket 775 core 2 quad (for the right price!) and overclock it.
Haswell will be released in second quarter of 2013 with a new socket - so not the right time to buy socket 1155.
FX 4100 has 4 cores but poor single thread performance compared to intel - even with overclock its not a great upgrade.
I advise wait until Haswell for cpu upgrade if possible - many will upgrade - second hand cpu and motherboard prices could be good.





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November 3, 2012 8:00:54 PM

Faustus said:
Good performance in BF3 multiplayer requires 4+ cores, good single thread performance and good gpu performance - its a greedy pig!
I presume single player frame rates at 1280x1024 are ok otherwise upgrade gpu.
If you want a higher frame rate in multiplayer then consider upgrading cpu to second hand socket 775 core 2 quad (for the right price!) and overclock it.
Haswell will be released in second quarter of 2013 with a new socket - so not the right time to buy socket 1155.
FX 4100 has 4 cores but poor single thread performance compared to intel - even with overclock its not a great upgrade.
I advise wait until Haswell for cpu upgrade if possible - many will upgrade - second hand cpu and motherboard prices could be good.


Thanks for the advice. With my current setup i get around 28-40 frames on medium settings (depending on map size).

Is the new Haswell product an Intel product? Will it be afordable? And will it be socket 775?
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November 3, 2012 8:08:43 PM

4 cores are better than 2. regardless to how much cache you throw in a cpu. upgrade the 4 core. the benchmark test dont determine what the average joe does. you can open more programs and run them with a quad core than you can a duo core. its been proven many times over without a benchmark.
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November 3, 2012 8:16:14 PM

I'm getting a little lost in all this but you do realize if you buy an i5 you also need a new motherboard and new memory right ?
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November 3, 2012 8:50:01 PM

swifty_morgan said:
I'm getting a little lost in all this but you do realize if you buy an i5 you also need a new motherboard and new memory right ?


Yeah...thanks. I realized. ;) 
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November 3, 2012 8:52:58 PM

All I want to know guys if the AMD FX-4100 cpu is good enough for Battlefield 3 for a future upgrade. Some said the i5's are better.
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November 4, 2012 8:22:01 AM

swifty_morgan said:
you'll have to google that but here's a chart showing the difference in a couple of tough games. use the drop down menu.... also video card was a 580.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8150_8120_6...


Thanks for the link. I think it will be best if i save up for a little longer and buy myself a nice i5 and then later on upgrade my gpu.
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November 4, 2012 8:59:50 AM

better get fx 6300 far better then that fx 4100 just $20 more in apps it performs similar as i5's and in game it will get about 5 fps less in games then i5.piledriver cpus are the best cpus in price performance just the con is single threaded performance and power consumption but who cares about power and multi threaded apps are the future of computer.btw get that chip and be happy goodluck:) if u want u can get a mobo of 970 chipset or 990fx:) overclock it be happy:) 

review:-

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

that chip is giving such good performance for price its on par with i5 in application and with i3 in gaming but for that price its a good chip u can get advantage in multitasking + it can be overclocked:) 
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November 4, 2012 2:13:37 PM

Stanton_11 said:
Thanks for the link. I think it will be best if i save up for a little longer and buy myself a nice i5 and then later on upgrade my gpu.


IMO that's the best choice. If you are saving up anyway then get the I5. It is still far ahead of Bulldozer and Piledriver in single threaded programs like gaming.
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November 4, 2012 5:39:27 PM

Thanks to ALL you guys for helping me . You all taught me something regarding cpu's
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November 5, 2012 5:38:47 AM

your welcome goodluck:) 
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November 6, 2012 2:20:13 PM

Just wait for the 4300 if you want to

Otherwise just gen a i5

Is the 4100 good enough to run BF3 at that res? YES
Is the 4300 better than the 4100? YES
Is the i5 better than the 4300? YES

There you go. Now according to your budget you decide
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