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November 4, 2012 12:11:46 AM

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November 4, 2012 12:24:30 AM

If you have no budget worries and want to clock the 8350 up to 5.0ghz then get that one. Most will tell you that the 8320 is a better bargain because you can clock it up to the 8350. I went with the 8350 because I wanted to OC high as possible.
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November 4, 2012 12:29:19 AM

AMD didn't bin the different CPUs of each family in the Bulldozer FX series differently from each other, so I doubt that they did in the Piledriver family either. For example, the FX-8120 and 8150 overclocked to the same frequency range at the same voltage range and the same was true with the FX-6200/6100 CPUs and the FX-4170/4100 CPUs.

They might have done this differently with FX-83xx, but I find it unlikely (although I haven't seen conclusive comparisons yet for Piledriver). This is something that AMD did a lot in previous generations too.
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November 4, 2012 12:33:31 AM

^ I haven't seen any concrete evidence, just anecdotal evidence from what owners of the 8320 are saying, but from what I've seen so far, the 8320 actually does look to be lower binned. Much lower max OC's, so far.
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November 4, 2012 12:34:22 AM

Its possible that AMD tests their cpu's before they decide which model to turn it into. If a cpu is a 8350 than it'll more likely be a better chip at overclocking. Depending on how good their production is, they'll turn more of the perfect chips into lower models because they need to fill the demand for the lower end. So a 8320 you purchase might be better at overclocking than a 8350 someone else purchases. Since you don't you aren't budget constrained than just go with the 8350, it'll more likely be able to overclock better.
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November 4, 2012 12:34:30 AM

chase3567 said:
If you have no budget worries and want to clock the 8350 up to 5.0ghz then get that one. Most will tell you that the 8320 is a better bargain because you can clock it up to the 8350. I went with the 8350 because I wanted to OC high as possible.


8350 is 219.99 and the 8320 189.99 on amazon what do you recommend domyou like the 8350?
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November 4, 2012 12:34:44 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
^ I haven't seen any concrete evidence, just anecdotal evidence from what owners of the 8320 are saying, but from what I've seen so far, the 8320 actually does look to be lower binned. Much lower max OC's, so far.


Is that with or without overvoltage?
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November 4, 2012 12:35:18 AM

blazorthon said:
Is that with or without overvoltage?


With
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November 4, 2012 12:38:30 AM

Phyrexiancure said:
Its possible that AMD tests their cpu's before they decide which model to turn it into. If a cpu is a 8350 than it'll more likely be a better chip at overclocking. Depending on how good their production is, they'll turn more of the perfect chips into lower models because they need to fill the demand for the lower end. So a 8320 you purchase might be better at overclocking than a 8350 someone else purchases. Since you don't you aren't budget constrained than just go with the 8350, it'll more likely be able to overclock better.


I was just looking at amandtechs cpu benchmarks amd piledriver 8320 amd 8359 killed i5 and first gen i7 but not near i7
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November 4, 2012 12:38:44 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
With


Huh. Maybe AMD has finally changed that *policy*.
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November 4, 2012 12:40:18 AM

did you buy your motherboard yet?
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November 4, 2012 12:41:16 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
I was just looking at amandtechs cpu benchmarks amd piledriver 8320 amd 8359 killed i5 and first gen i7 but not near i7


There is a huge dependence on what you're doing that determines what CPU wins in addition to how you define winning.
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November 4, 2012 12:43:33 AM

cjcj11 said:
did you buy your motherboard yet?


I did asus m5a99x evo i believe is that good will a ssd run good with that and boot quick and overclock good
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November 4, 2012 12:47:17 AM

if you have no budget why the hell are you looking into AMD cpus. thats extremely silly. Especially if you are gaming. the 8350 does not beat any current gen i5 or i7 consistently at anything. get yourself a good i5 or i7 and enjoy the better performance at a lower power draw and cooler temps.
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November 4, 2012 12:47:26 AM

+1 to blazorthon

I'm personally quite a fan of the new PD FX-83XX chips due to their value. Power consumption and gaming aside, once they're overclocked, they're almost near i7 performance. Which I find outstanding for the price point; definitely something budget-conscious workstation builders would love IMO.

However, if what DJDecibel said is true, I would definitely go with the FX-8350 for the OC potential.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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November 4, 2012 12:50:01 AM

cbrunnem said:
if you have no budget why the hell are you looking into AMD cpus. thats extremely silly. Especially if you are gaming. the 8350 does not beat any current gen i5 or i7 consistently at anything. get yourself a good i5 or i7 and enjoy the better performance at a lower power draw and cooler temps.


I said no budget between the amd 8320 and 8350 i didnt sy intel plus why would i spend $100 where all benchmarks point the amd kills i5 and dont say benchmarks lie cause according to benchmarks all i3s were better than bulldozer but look at it
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November 4, 2012 12:53:23 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
I said no budget between the amd 8320 and 8350 i didnt sy intel plus why would i spend $100 where all benchmarks point the amd kills i5 and dont say benchmarks lie cause according to benchmarks all i3s were better than bulldozer but look at it

If you don't have a budget between the two choices, definitely grab the FX-8350 :)  IMO, I wouldn't want to take the risk for a chip that doesn't overclock as well with the FX-8320.
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November 4, 2012 12:59:09 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
I said no budget between the amd 8320 and 8350 i didnt sy intel plus why would i spend $100 where all benchmarks point the amd kills i5 and dont say benchmarks lie cause according to benchmarks all i3s were better than bulldozer but look at it


hey cant argue with the all knowing but hey spend 220 on a chip that is slower then an i5 in gaming in general. if it was so good it would be sold out right now just like intels are right after launch.
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November 4, 2012 1:01:22 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
I did asus m5a99x evo i believe is that good will a ssd run good with that and boot quick and overclock good


ahh it seems i never actually hit submit, but i was basically goanna say the same thing as cbrunnem
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November 4, 2012 1:02:56 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
8350 is 219.99 and the 8320 189.99 on amazon what do you recommend domyou like the 8350?

Yes I'm very happy with my purchase and have an OC of 4.8ghz currently and will work on the 5.0ghz. Does everything I need it to do and has been a great performer in the games that I play. I run Nvidia surround and it made the much more buttery smooth when I installed this processor.
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November 4, 2012 1:04:50 AM

cbrunnem said:
hey cant argue with the all knowing but hey spend 220 on a chip that is slower then an i5 in gaming in general. if it was so good it would be sold out right now just like intels are right after launch.


Its not slower than the i5 its either on par or go check it out yourself
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November 4, 2012 1:06:49 AM

chase3567 said:
Yes I'm very happy with my purchase and have an OC of 4.8ghz currently and will work on the 5.0ghz. Does everything I need it to do and has been a great performer in the games that I play. I run Nvidia surround and it made the much more buttery smooth when I installed this processor.


Is my mobo good the m5a99x evo from asus good for overclocking fast boot ect i also bought a 7950 thats pci e 3.0 will i notice a big downside if its an pci e 2.0 slot
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November 4, 2012 1:11:58 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
Is my mobo good the m5a99x evo from asus good for overclocking fast boot ect i also bought a 7950 thats pci e 3.0 will i notice a big downside if its an pci e 2.0 slot

Very nice motherboard and better then one I use. Use will have no problems OC with that board. You won't notice any difference with using the 7950 in a 2.0 slot either.
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November 4, 2012 1:14:24 AM

chase3567 said:
Very nice motherboard and better then one I use. Use will have no problems OC with that board. You won't notice any difference with using the 7950 in a 2.0 slot either.


Do you think i should pay $50 more for a gtx 670 or keep the amd 7950
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November 4, 2012 1:17:14 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
Do you think i should pay $50 more for a gtx 670 or keep the amd 7950

If you got the cash to spare get the 7970, this will be my next upgrade :sol: 
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November 4, 2012 1:17:16 AM

blazorthon said:
BF3 MP favors the FX-8350 over the i5s, so it's not just CPU-bound games that favor Intel. There are a few other such CPU-bound games that aren't very Intel-centered. Intel is favored by a lot of games because many games use far outdated engines that aren't very multi-threaded. The ongoing trend towards better multi-threading scaling in modern software will let the eight-core FX CPUs best Intel's quad-core i5s in much more than they do today (including gaming) as time goes on.

Overall, the FX-8350 at stock, averages out to about as fast in gaming as the i3-3220/3225 at stock right now, but that can easily be changed with CPU core configuration optimization (disable the second core of each module to let the primary core monopolize the front end of its module while decreasing power consumption to optimize for current game's lightly threaded-ness), CPU/NB frequency overclocking (raises L3 cache bandwidth while decreasing its latency), and then CPU frequency overclocking (even better is using P states instead of merely overclocking the CPU frequency, this allows much more control over the CPU and can let you make it run more efficiently when not at full load, something that is rare in gaming even when it says 100% load in the task manager). Again, even at stock, there are also a few very well-threaded games that do in fact favor the FX-83xx CPUs over all i5s or at least put them on roughly equal playing fields (BF3 being perhaps the most notable example of the former).


So tell me this 8320 ocd to 4.0 will equal same performance as 8350? Is it worth $20 extra
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November 4, 2012 1:17:18 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
Its not slower than the i5 its either on par or go check it out yourself


rendering
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-a...
its beat by a i7 but not always the i5. expected as it has twice the threads.
gaming
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-a...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-rev...
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-FX-8350-Vishera-8Cor...
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46985-amd-fx-8350/?pa...
http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processo...
http://techreport.com/review/23750/amd-fx-8350-processo...

get the idea yet? btw please dont show any benchmarks that involve gpu bound games (ie crysis, bf3 sp). in those your glorious chip will be on par i will agree and if you only play those types of games then get the 8350 but please dont think you are getting a chip that can match an i5-i7 in gaming and practically most things.
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November 4, 2012 1:23:31 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
So tell me this 8320 ocd to 4.0 will equal same performance as 8350? Is it worth $20 extra


Well, DJDeCiBeL and a few others tell us that the 8350 has better overclocking headroom, but at the same frequencies, the two would have identical performance.
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November 4, 2012 1:28:00 AM

blazorthon said:
Well, DJDeCiBeL and a few others tell us that the 8350 has better overclocking headroom, but at the same frequencies, the two would have identical performance.


So 8350 it is will it go better with an amd 7950 or gtx 670 ftw
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November 4, 2012 1:30:38 AM

cbrunnem said:


get the idea yet? btw please dont show any benchmarks that involve gpu bound games (ie crysis, bf3 sp). in those your glorious chip will be on par i will agree and if you only play those types of games then get the 8350 but please dont think you are getting a chip that can match an i5-i7 in gaming and practically most things.

in other words, don't look at games that are "gpu bound", instead you can only look at games that are compiled with the Intel compiler.

as for 670 vs 7950, a lot of that will depend on the game itself, some games will prefre the nvidia, some the ati. both will be fast.
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November 4, 2012 1:32:41 AM

noob2222 said:
in other words, don't look at games that are "gpu bound", instead you can only look at games that are compiled with the Intel compiler.

as for 670 vs 7950, a lot of that will depend on the game itself, some games will prefre the nvidia, some the ati. both will be fast.


provide legit evidence of this. else google russels teapot. just cause someone says something doesnt make it true. just cause you cant prove or disprove something doesnt make it true or not true. gravity is a good example of this, as gravity is still a theory.
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November 4, 2012 1:34:38 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
So 8350 it is will it go better with an amd 7950 or gtx 670 ftw


The factory overclocked and Boost version 7950s are generally on-par with the 670 at stock and generally beat it in overclocking by a little (670 is still usually very fast and has a few victories with current drivers) despite being plenty cheaper than any 670s worth buying (aka good non-reference models). The FX-8350 doesn't really go better with either card, the 7950s are simply better values, especially considering how the 7950 and the 670 have such similar power consumption too that not even the power consumption difference can really amount to much of anything.
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November 4, 2012 1:40:02 AM

BF3 MP favors the FX-8350 over the i5s, so it's not just CPU-bound games that favor Intel. There are a few other such CPU-bound games that aren't very Intel-centered. Intel is favored by a lot of games because many games use far outdated engines that aren't very multi-threaded. The ongoing trend towards better multi-threading scaling in modern software will let the eight-core FX CPUs best Intel's quad-core i5s in much more than they do today (including gaming) as time goes on.

Overall, the FX-8350 at stock, averages out to about as fast in gaming as the i3-3220/3225 at stock right now, but that can easily be changed with CPU core configuration optimization (disable the second core of each module to let the primary core monopolize the front end of its module while decreasing power consumption to optimize for current game's lightly threaded-ness), CPU/NB frequency overclocking (raises L3 cache bandwidth while decreasing its latency), and then CPU frequency overclocking (even better is using P states instead of merely overclocking the CPU frequency, this allows much more control over the CPU and can let you make it run more efficiently when not at full load, something that is rare in gaming even when it says 100% load in the task manager). Again, even at stock, there are also a few very well-threaded games that do in fact favor the FX-83xx CPUs over all i5s or at least put them on roughly equal playing fields (BF3 being perhaps the most notable example of the former).
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November 4, 2012 1:44:04 AM

blazorthon said:
The factory overclocked and Boost version 7950s are generally on-par with the 670 at stock and generally beat it in overclocking by a little (670 is still usually very fast and has a few victories with current drivers) despite being plenty cheaper than any 670s worth buying (aka good non-reference models). The FX-8350 doesn't really go better with either card, the 7950s are simply better values, especially considering how the 7950 and the 670 have such similar power consumption too that not even the power consumption difference can really amount to much of anything.


Is my mobo m5a99x evo good
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November 4, 2012 4:20:25 AM

asus makes very good boards.

I have the step up from that one, the 990fx sabertooth. the only difference really is the number of pci-e slots, and if your not running crossfire or sli, there is no difference.

it is a very good board for overclocking.
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November 4, 2012 4:25:25 AM

noob2222 said:
asus makes very good boards.

I have the step up from that one, the 990fx sabertooth. the only difference really is the number of pci-e slots, and if your not running crossfire or sli, there is no difference.

it is a very good board for overclocking.


Will an amd 7950 that is pci 3.0 run fast in a 2.0 slot
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November 4, 2012 4:38:11 AM

noob2222 said:
until you get to 3 & 4 way crossfire (because that will force you into an x8 pci-e), there is almost 0 difference between pci 3.0 and 2.0

http://www.techpowerup.com/157253/PCI-Express-3.0-Has-Z...


So right now when i get all the parts i slap on the amd 7950 in the pci e 2.0 slot everything should work st intended speeds?
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November 4, 2012 4:40:35 AM

yep.
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November 4, 2012 4:42:49 AM

Strictly speaking (if you take the term seriously), "At intended speeds", no, but it doesn't matter anyway. About a 1% difference, in reality.
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November 4, 2012 4:45:10 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
Strictly speaking (if you take the term seriously), "At intended speeds", no, but it doesn't matter anyway. About a 1% difference, in reality.


But this is a nice card right sapphire 7950
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November 4, 2012 4:46:43 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
But this is a nice card right sapphire 7950


Of course.
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November 4, 2012 4:50:31 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
Of course.


How does my build sound?

AMD 8350 CPU
Coolermaster High Airflow 912 Case
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
OCZ VERTEX 4 256GB SSD
OCZ 700W CPU
SAPPHIRE AMD 7950 GPU
ASUS M5A99X EVO MOBO
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November 4, 2012 4:53:50 AM

Looks good to me. You didn't list the RAM, but I imagine you'll be going with something like 8GB of 1600 or 1866 RAM, correct?
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November 4, 2012 4:59:03 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
Looks good to me. You didn't list the RAM, but I imagine you'll be going with something like 8GB of 1600 or 1866 RAM, correct?


Oops lol ya 8gb 1600 ram corsair venegenace also about that on the box it says i3 i5 i7 and amd phenom only
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November 4, 2012 5:00:40 AM

hbeduryan818 said:
also about that on the box it says i3 i5 i7 and amd phenom only


Yeah, that's just marketing BS, lol. Aside from the random incompatibility issues that rarely happen, all DDR3 RAM will work with any system that uses it.
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November 4, 2012 5:03:37 AM

Best answer selected by hbeduryan818.
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November 4, 2012 5:04:05 AM

DJDeCiBeL said:
Yeah, that's just marketing BS, lol. Aside from the random incompatibility issues that rarely happen, all DDR3 RAM will work with any system that uses it.


Thx ill keep ya guys updated around wednesday or so
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November 4, 2012 5:06:15 AM

Sounds good. :) 
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