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July 31, 2014 3:08:01 AM

Fidgetmaster said:
the 8350 still needs OCed to perform on par with Intel....



Stock compared to stock, the 8350 is usually pretty close to I5, at least in multi-threaded things. Admittedly single core vs single core AMD doesn't have anything to compete.

Key point here though is many many more applications actually use more threads now so the 8350 is ageing quite well, and given it's price it's actually quite a bargain now. The main downside to it is that you don't really have anywhere to go beyond that whereas you can always get an i3 on a reasonable motherboard and have a good opportunity to upgrade in the future if you go Intel.
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July 31, 2014 3:09:24 AM

esrever said:
I just meant it as where information is stored for a program is always in a memory hierarchy and that this can change as our memory systems change and evolve. I think in memory processing is something else entirely.

ah, i see that now.
jdwii said:
As always the majority of the benchmarks matter more than a few so even if juan is right on a couple of benchmarks(never even heard of john the ripper before) then fine. But the majority is what matters in terms of benchmarks. For example in the majority of benchmarks the 8350fx is above the I5 but in gaming its around I3-I5(except in newer games).

google says it's a ...uhm... security testing tool. i am afraid that discussing it may violate tom's t.o.c.....? anywho, the benchmark seems to show high degree of variance depending on flags used, o.s., heterogenous processing(where gpu also works), software versions etc. it's not a gaming benchmark.

July 31, 2014 3:12:49 AM

Still the though 8350 is kinda slow at stock 4ghz....my 920 Oced to 4ghz even beats it in some areas....the 8350 is much better waaay up there....and you are correct how more applications are starting to use/benefit more threads.

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July 31, 2014 6:55:06 AM

amd a10 7800 review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8291/amd-a10-7800-review-...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8288/amd-launches-65w-45w...
i knew that teaser the other day was about a10 7800! another prediction confirmed! even if i didn't predict anything!

AMD Readies Steamroller Based A4-7300, Athlon X4 860K / 840, Athlon X2 450 and FX-8370 For AM3+ Processors For Q3 2014
http://wccftech.com/amd-readies-steamroller-based-a4730...
so the new unlocked athlon is 860K. but the real news is the eol of a88x chipset. so far, we've seen chipsets carry over to the next apu or socket. this may be the indication of a change in carrizo's chipsets and the bga socs.
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July 31, 2014 7:58:12 AM

de5_Roy said:
amd a10 7800 review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8291/amd-a10-7800-review-...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8288/amd-launches-65w-45w...
i knew that teaser the other day was about a10 7800! another prediction confirmed! even if i didn't predict anything!

AMD Readies Steamroller Based A4-7300, Athlon X4 860K / 840, Athlon X2 450 and FX-8370 For AM3+ Processors For Q3 2014
http://wccftech.com/amd-readies-steamroller-based-a4730...
so the new unlocked athlon is 860K. but the real news is the eol of a88x chipset. so far, we've seen chipsets carry over to the next apu or socket. this may be the indication of a change in carrizo's chipsets and the bga socs.


Where was info about a88x EOL?
July 31, 2014 8:06:19 AM

cdrkf said:


Where was info about a88x EOL?


There’s also some information regarding the EOL dates for several chipsets which show that AMD’s A78, A58, A55 and even the A88X chipset will retire in December 2014. Along side the new Kaveri lineup, AMD has also announced anew A10 Game bundle promotion which rewards you with one AAA title (Thief/ Sniper Elite III/ Murdered Soul Suspect) on the purchase of an AMD A10 APU adding $60 US value.


Search for "EOL" and you'll find it.
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July 31, 2014 8:09:50 AM

Ranth said:
cdrkf said:


Where was info about a88x EOL?


There’s also some information regarding the EOL dates for several chipsets which show that AMD’s A78, A58, A55 and even the A88X chipset will retire in December 2014. Along side the new Kaveri lineup, AMD has also announced anew A10 Game bundle promotion which rewards you with one AAA title (Thief/ Sniper Elite III/ Murdered Soul Suspect) on the purchase of an AMD A10 APU adding $60 US value.


Search for "EOL" and you'll find it.


Ah thanks, well if they're going EOL in dec 2014 on FM2+, then FM3 socket (or something similar) has to be coming soon, so hopefully Carrizo will make it to the desktop rather than being mobile only.
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July 31, 2014 9:26:30 AM

What will end up happening will be basically like the changeover from AM2+ to AM3. Essentially the right boards will be forward compatible, though they will be pushing FM3 I am sure...
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July 31, 2014 10:23:18 AM

@juanrga:

John the Ripper is a notoriously good benchmark for AMD. The fact that you present it as being significant proof that an APU would beat an i5 is questionable.

John the Ripper is extremely well threaded. So much so to the point that the FX8350 would handily beat the 3770k in that benchmark routinely without compiling favorably. If you compiled with flags to optimize for AMD hardware, it was a joke, even doing the same for intel hardware.

While I concede it does show what the integer processing capability is of the AMD hardware, and how it can be advantageous when you optimize for it. The point is, most software is not indicative of the level of threading John the Ripper is capable of using.
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July 31, 2014 10:26:10 AM

^^^^fx 8370, higher clocks and lower tdp, still piledriver, I wonder is this 'richland' now?
edit 95w 8310 and 125w 8370
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July 31, 2014 10:35:34 AM

8350rocks said:
@juanrga:

John the Ripper is a notoriously good benchmark for AMD. The fact that you present it as being significant proof that an APU would beat an i5 is questionable.

John the Ripper is extremely well threaded. So much so to the point that the FX8350 would handily beat the 3770k in that benchmark routinely without compiling favorably. If you compiled with flags to optimize for AMD hardware, it was a joke, even doing the same for intel hardware.

While I concede it does show what the integer processing capability is of the AMD hardware, and how it can be advantageous when you optimize for it. The point is, most software is not indicative of the level of threading John the Ripper is capable of using.


Now re-write that same benchmark to use OpenCL, run it on the GPU, and watch every dGPU crush the APUs. Its the prototypical example of software the does scale to massively multicore levels, and thus is a primary candidate to be moved off the CPU in the first place.
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July 31, 2014 10:51:55 AM

@8350rocks: i was under the impression that jtr benchmarks (newer versions) used the igpu already.

con635 said:
^^^^fx 8370, higher clocks and lower tdp, still piledriver, I wonder is this 'richland' now?
edit 95w 8310 and 125w 8370

fx 8310 (probable clockrate may be 3.4 GHz base) is like older 95w fx8100, fx8300 cpus. fx8370 has the same tdp as the fx8350, so it might get a clockrate bump.

July 31, 2014 11:29:57 AM

jdwii said:
juanrga said:
My predictions about the A10 7850k were verified up to the single digit percent. And my predictions about future APUs will be verified as well.


Lol do you work at Amd for marketing just wondering ha ha


gamerk316 said:
8350rocks said:
@juanrga:

John the Ripper is a notoriously good benchmark for AMD. The fact that you present it as being significant proof that an APU would beat an i5 is questionable.

John the Ripper is extremely well threaded. So much so to the point that the FX8350 would handily beat the 3770k in that benchmark routinely without compiling favorably. If you compiled with flags to optimize for AMD hardware, it was a joke, even doing the same for intel hardware.

While I concede it does show what the integer processing capability is of the AMD hardware, and how it can be advantageous when you optimize for it. The point is, most software is not indicative of the level of threading John the Ripper is capable of using.


Now re-write that same benchmark to use OpenCL, run it on the GPU, and watch every dGPU crush the APUs. Its the prototypical example of software the does scale to massively multicore levels, and thus is a primary candidate to be moved off the CPU in the first place.


Johntheripper actually does have OpenCL support.

http://openwall.info/wiki/john/GPU

7970 scores 92,000 c/s. Juan's benchmark for Kaveri doesn't even explain what hashing algorithm was used. But if Juan used MSCash2, it's a complete domination for dGPU.

Like I said earlier, all Juan did was cherry pick benchmarks to prove his numbers correct. No one in their right mind would run JTR on CPU if they have a GPU available.
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July 31, 2014 11:53:26 AM

What the actual hell? I hate apple as a company. I also heard someone say a while back that Vendors aren't going to do 20nm this year due to apple. Something about getting sued? xD

And Piledriver... wth! What's the point of that CPU unless if they're bringing in a new socket with DDR4 and PCIe 3.0? What ever... I guess GPUs should be exciting!
July 31, 2014 12:42:47 PM

Wccftech - isn't that the website that takes some unsubstantiated rumour from some random Chinese website, puts it through Google translate and then misinterprets whatever gobbledygook it has into an unquestioning news article?
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July 31, 2014 1:12:17 PM

colinp said:
Wccftech - isn't that the website that takes some unsubstantiated rumour from some random Chinese website, puts it through Google translate and then misinterprets whatever gobbledygook it has into an unquestioning news article?


Pretty much, yeah.
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July 31, 2014 1:37:54 PM

colinp said:
Wccftech - isn't that the website that takes some unsubstantiated rumour from some random Chinese website, puts it through Google translate and then misinterprets whatever gobbledygook it has into an unquestioning news article?


I thought that was juan?
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July 31, 2014 2:03:05 PM

8350rocks said:
colinp said:
Wccftech - isn't that the website that takes some unsubstantiated rumour from some random Chinese website, puts it through Google translate and then misinterprets whatever gobbledygook it has into an unquestioning news article?


I thought that was juan?

Juan doesn't need any sources.
July 31, 2014 2:10:25 PM

colinp said:
Wccftech - isn't that the website that takes some unsubstantiated rumour from some random Chinese website, puts it through Google translate and then misinterprets whatever gobbledygook it has into an unquestioning news article?


Don't forget how he does things like pay for articles behind pay walls and then writes articles about how his "sources" (which only consist of the article he paid for) confirm something is coming.

More like Woeful Content Copying Fraud Tech.

It's not as bad as Guru3D stealing an image from a thread on OCN where the thread states they're photoshopping something, and then stealing a user's post verbatim that he made as a joke, and posting it as real news.
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August 1, 2014 6:06:46 AM

moar a10 7800k and 7400k reviews:

AMD Launches the A10-7800 Desktop APU
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/07/31/amd-launches-a10-780...

AMD's A10-7800 processor reviewed
..and the A6-7400K, too
http://techreport.com/review/26845/amd-a10-7800-process...

AMD Kaveri A8-7600 and A10-7800 APU Review
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-kaveri-a8-7600-a10-7800...

AMD A10-7800 APU Review
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/2014/07/amd-a10-7800-apu-...


AMD A10-7800 Kaveri APU Review
http://www.techspot.com/review/856-amd-a10-7800-kaveri/

and many moar!
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-a10-7800-kaver...
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/72709-amd-a10-7800-28...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-review/ (no gold awards over core i7 4790k!:pt1cable: )


AMD Officially Announces Steamroller Based Athlon X4 860K and Piledriver Based FX-8300 Processors At ChinaJoy 2014
http://wccftech.com/amd-officially-announces-steamrolle...
the new athlons seem to be aimed at chinese markets. who knows when these'll show up in the u.s. last time, llano, trinity and richland athlons all came to the market near the end of cycle.
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August 1, 2014 8:30:36 AM

de5_Roy said:
moar a10 7800k and 7400k reviews:

AMD Launches the A10-7800 Desktop APU
http://semiaccurate.com/2014/07/31/amd-launches-a10-780...

AMD's A10-7800 processor reviewed
..and the A6-7400K, too
http://techreport.com/review/26845/amd-a10-7800-process...

AMD Kaveri A8-7600 and A10-7800 APU Review
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-kaveri-a8-7600-a10-7800...

AMD A10-7800 APU Review
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/2014/07/amd-a10-7800-apu-...


AMD A10-7800 Kaveri APU Review
http://www.techspot.com/review/856-amd-a10-7800-kaveri/

and many moar!
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-a10-7800-kaver...
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/72709-amd-a10-7800-28...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-review/ (no gold awards over core i7 4790k!:pt1cable: )


AMD Officially Announces Steamroller Based Athlon X4 860K and Piledriver Based FX-8300 Processors At ChinaJoy 2014
http://wccftech.com/amd-officially-announces-steamrolle...
the new athlons seem to be aimed at chinese markets. who knows when these'll show up in the u.s. last time, llano, trinity and richland athlons all came to the market near the end of cycle.


:( 
Sorry those benchmarks make me sad that goes for all of the APU's i guess its nothing new but still. I'm happy to hear that they will be making a Steamroller 4 core without a dGPU(probably disabled) lets hope its priced well. I actually don't know how i feel about a 8370fx probably going to have a 4.2Ghz stock with maybe a turbo at 125watts is my guess. This will make it 5% faster lol.
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August 1, 2014 8:40:39 AM

CPU wise, AMD has been quite the letdown, and will probably continue to be until they release their new arch.
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August 1, 2014 8:48:11 AM

"There’s a reason why AMD desperately needs all the help they can get. Despite their graphics superiority and even with Steamroller’s notable IPC improvements over Piledriver and Bulldozer, Kaveri’s general processing performance in everyday applications is still in a decrepit state. If we rolled back the clock to 2011 and told you then that AMD’s 2014 lineup would barely outperform a three year old X4 980 in games and many productivity-based benchmarks, pitchfork-wielding mobs would have turned up at our doors. However, that’s exactly what is happening. "
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
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August 1, 2014 8:49:15 AM

jdwii said:

:( 
Sorry those benchmarks make me sad that goes for all of the APU's i guess its nothing new but still. I'm happy to hear that they will be making a Steamroller 4 core without a dGPU(probably disabled) lets hope its priced well. I actually don't know how i feel about a 8370fx probably going to have a 4.2Ghz stock with maybe a turbo at 125watts is my guess. This will make it 5% faster lol.

amd is positioning the unlocked and locked apus differently despite using same series number. previously they didn't publicize the lower tdp, locked apus much except overprice them. with kaveri, amd is putting the a10 7800 practically between the 7850k and 7700k. if you don't want unlocked, want configurable tdp at a cheaper price than 7850k but don't want to lose the shaders, then 7800. however, amd has priced these such a way that the newly price-reduced 7850k might cannibalize 7800. i still like the 7800 for it's saner launch price.
amd seems unfazed by potential price war among it's own chips. i don't understand what they're thinking.


August 1, 2014 10:47:47 AM

de5_Roy said:
jdwii said:

:( 
Sorry those benchmarks make me sad that goes for all of the APU's i guess its nothing new but still. I'm happy to hear that they will be making a Steamroller 4 core without a dGPU(probably disabled) lets hope its priced well. I actually don't know how i feel about a 8370fx probably going to have a 4.2Ghz stock with maybe a turbo at 125watts is my guess. This will make it 5% faster lol.

amd is positioning the unlocked and locked apus differently despite using same series number. previously they didn't publicize the lower tdp, locked apus much except overprice them. with kaveri, amd is putting the a10 7800 practically between the 7850k and 7700k. if you don't want unlocked, want configurable tdp at a cheaper price than 7850k but don't want to lose the shaders, then 7800. however, amd has priced these such a way that the newly price-reduced 7850k might cannibalize 7800. i still like the 7800 for it's saner launch price.
amd seems unfazed by potential price war among it's own chips. i don't understand what they're thinking.




AMD is doing this solely for market share. They've done similar things in the past as well with GPUs (7790, 7870 XT, etc).

HSA needs capable systems for HSA software to exist. So they want HSA capable parts in as many systems as possible. It's better for them to undercut themselves and gain market share than it is to isolate potential customers. Their goal is not profits in the short term with this move, but long term profits by getting a foundation for an ecosystem established.
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August 1, 2014 11:11:35 AM

jdwii said:
"There’s a reason why AMD desperately needs all the help they can get. Despite their graphics superiority and even with Steamroller’s notable IPC improvements over Piledriver and Bulldozer, Kaveri’s general processing performance in everyday applications is still in a decrepit state. If we rolled back the clock to 2011 and told you then that AMD’s 2014 lineup would barely outperform a three year old X4 980 in games and many productivity-based benchmarks, pitchfork-wielding mobs would have turned up at our doors. However, that’s exactly what is happening. "
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

Decrepit??? I have a8 5600 and played alot of arma on it amongst other games at 720 just fine on the igp, it boots win7 and works so fast the tablet and netbook are now redundant even for surfing whilst I'm in the house and not in bed. Paired with a dgpu I've clocked up serious hours in bf4 with no problem mostly above 60fps and never really any lower than 40 that I have noticed. Any modern cpu can game and just generally work fine.
I'd love someone to do a mass 'blind test' doing everyday stuff and games on a range of hw just to see if benchmarks mean anything outside of reviews, obviously time means money to business so just everyday useage.

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August 1, 2014 11:14:26 AM

de5_Roy said:

:( 
Sorry those benchmarks make me sad that goes for all of the APU's i guess its nothing new but still. I'm happy to hear that they will be making a Steamroller 4 core without a dGPU(probably disabled) lets hope its priced well. I actually don't know how i feel about a 8370fx probably going to have a 4.2Ghz stock with maybe a turbo at 125watts is my guess. This will make it 5% faster lol.


Still, would be nice to see a new review of the fx8***, using modern os and software and games, I think its aged so well a fair review could surprize many.

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August 1, 2014 11:43:12 AM

jdwii said:
"There’s a reason why AMD desperately needs all the help they can get. Despite their graphics superiority and even with Steamroller’s notable IPC improvements over Piledriver and Bulldozer, Kaveri’s general processing performance in everyday applications is still in a decrepit state. If we rolled back the clock to 2011 and told you then that AMD’s 2014 lineup would barely outperform a three year old X4 980 in games and many productivity-based benchmarks, pitchfork-wielding mobs would have turned up at our doors. However, that’s exactly what is happening. "
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

To be fair, intel's current 2014 lineup barely outperforms the i7-980x in games and many productivity-based benchmarks. Its like comparing apples to oranges. The phenom II were flagships, the kaveri apu is low end. And to be honest, my phenom II still plays games fine.
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August 1, 2014 4:03:02 PM

con635 said:
jdwii said:
"There’s a reason why AMD desperately needs all the help they can get. Despite their graphics superiority and even with Steamroller’s notable IPC improvements over Piledriver and Bulldozer, Kaveri’s general processing performance in everyday applications is still in a decrepit state. If we rolled back the clock to 2011 and told you then that AMD’s 2014 lineup would barely outperform a three year old X4 980 in games and many productivity-based benchmarks, pitchfork-wielding mobs would have turned up at our doors. However, that’s exactly what is happening. "
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

Decrepit??? I have a8 5600 and played alot of arma on it amongst other games at 720 just fine on the igp, it boots win7 and works so fast the tablet and netbook are now redundant even for surfing whilst I'm in the house and not in bed. Paired with a dgpu I've clocked up serious hours in bf4 with no problem mostly above 60fps and never really any lower than 40 that I have noticed. Any modern cpu can game and just generally work fine.
I'd love someone to do a mass 'blind test' doing everyday stuff and games on a range of hw just to see if benchmarks mean anything outside of reviews, obviously time means money to business so just everyday useage.



Sorry but everything is not just games and when it is i can easily tell the difference under some games(don't even get me started on dolphin emulator) even more so the ones 2-3 years old and do you think its never going to get more intensive in gaming. You can play BF4 however have fun. A 4 core fx(4300) easily bottlenecks anything higher than a 7770ghz edition i noticed it at my brothers every single game we turned on was so much slower(compared to my old 1100T) i gave him my old 6950HD. Anything under a 6300 isn't worth it for any series gamer or a gamer who likes to play games at high-ultra without stuttering. Also i would love to take you on that blind test i have a suite of software(including games) i use all the time that i would easily tell doing little facebook crap is nothing a A4 can do that.
Edit plus this statement just proves what that review says to be more accurate anyways Amd keeps running away from their real problems in CPU architecture its been this way sense the Phenom II x6 add more cores and now include a iGPU which is all fine but in reality its not giving them more money in the CPU/APU division.
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August 1, 2014 4:08:35 PM

Spoiler
esrever said:
jdwii said:
"There’s a reason why AMD desperately needs all the help they can get. Despite their graphics superiority and even with Steamroller’s notable IPC improvements over Piledriver and Bulldozer, Kaveri’s general processing performance in everyday applications is still in a decrepit state. If we rolled back the clock to 2011 and told you then that AMD’s 2014 lineup would barely outperform a three year old X4 980 in games and many productivity-based benchmarks, pitchfork-wielding mobs would have turned up at our doors. However, that’s exactly what is happening. "
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

To be fair, intel's current 2014 lineup barely outperforms the i7-980x in games and many productivity-based benchmarks. Its like comparing apples to oranges. The phenom II were flagships, the kaveri apu is low end. And to be honest, my phenom II still plays games fine.


I noticed on my Phenom II x6 some games did play 20-30% worse than a 8350fx 2 games i can name now are Far cry 3 at ultra the village area would dip with 35FPS with my 770gtx and now its around 48fps in that area. Also Simcity was horrible on my 1100T easily around 18FPS in big city's now its around 26-28FPS in huge city's.

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August 1, 2014 6:10:37 PM

The Athlon X4 860K was the most interesting of the bunch. Where are those benchmarks hiding.
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August 1, 2014 6:15:57 PM

Regarding the A1100 I hope Phoronix gets one soon. They seem to do the most thorough Linux benchmarking of anyone.
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August 1, 2014 9:32:43 PM

would not classify a fx 4300 as a turd, at stock clocks it can be slow but does make up ground fast when you over clock.
August 1, 2014 10:31:14 PM

its really damn slow at stock clocks....it needs oced waaay up there....
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August 2, 2014 7:04:06 AM

Fidgetmaster said:
its really damn slow at stock clocks....it needs oced waaay up there....


To be honest i was disappointed i never thought it would bottleneck a old 6950 so much and even the day to day performance on chrome felt slower i eventually overclock it to 4.4Ghz i kept telling him not to get it but he kept telling me "people don't use more than 4 cores anyways" and i kept telling him that it gets way slower once games use more than 2 cores heavily i tested that on my 8350fx on GTA4 locked the threads to 1,2,3,4 and it was way slower(20%). Most games still use 3 threads heavily which is why i recommend a 6300fx as a minimum choice from Amd for gaming if you care enough to not have random skips all the time, be even better if they can afford a 8320fx to future proof them more.

Also compared to my friends I5 Haswell i5-4460 (priced the same as a 8350fx) its actually quite even with my 8350fx and actually my friend compiles stuff a lot and wishes he went with my CPU but he also plays chess to and we put my PC at 4.3Ghz towards his at 3.2ghz and his creamed mine on using Arena chess. But in gaming such as BF4 and watch dogs he's I5 was weaker and slower but in simcity it came out even. I suspect in newer games he's CPU will continue to lose.
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August 2, 2014 9:19:43 AM

tourist said:
would not classify a fx 4300 as a turd, at stock clocks it can be slow but does make up ground fast when you over clock.


for a budget build its ok. I did a lot of testing with my 8120 clocked at 4.7 ghz. cut off 4 cores and it runs most games with a 6970 @ 1ghz with all the cores pegged at 100%

4300 + high end graphics ... no, just don't, spend the extra $10 at newegg and get the 6300 at least, this gets you away from loading some moldules for the 20% penalty.

jdwii is correct, loading cores 0 2 4 6 >>0 2 4 5 >> 0 1 2 3, with the 4300, that's the only option. (ya, windows starts numbering with 0)
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August 2, 2014 9:22:37 AM

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1543/10
Actually by accident was looking for Sims 2 benchmarks to see how much it killed CPU performance.
Found this old thing don't we all miss it well the ones who are old enough to remember and thanks noob was just saying a 4300 bottlenecked a lot of games my brother had it was actually sad
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August 2, 2014 9:51:16 AM

A 6950 yes ,but a 7770 is weaker than my 650 ti and it does not bottleneck my 750k. 4300 should be faster
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August 2, 2014 11:21:18 AM

tourist said:
A 6950 yes ,but a 7770 is weaker than my 650 ti and it does not bottleneck my 750k. 4300 should be faster


According to Techpowerup it is around 20% faster compared to a 7770 and around 5% slower than a 6850. My friend had a 6850HD for awhile(still has it setting around) and it was bottlenecking in some newer games with a phenom ii x4 but not a lot. You are not bottlenecking your video card but a 6950 is easily bottlenecking it and a 4 core fx which isn't much faster than your CPU. it really has to do with it being able to handle 4 threads heavily without a 20% hit. Most games now are starting to use 3 cores heavily if not more and when that happens a 4 core fx will bottleneck almost any mid-range GPU.
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August 2, 2014 8:55:39 PM

It started as a cheap gaming build for under 500 and found myself liking it better than my 955 gtx 460 combo gave the 955 to my little brother.

Maybe the 860k when it is available will get me going to upgrade.
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August 2, 2014 9:44:36 PM

wccftech makes a discovery so startling that i typed their name right:
AMD Toronto APU and CPUs will Include Dual IMCs for DDR3 and DDR4 Support
http://wccftech.com/amd-toronto-apu-feature-dual-imc-dd...
wut?! servers be using ddr4 memory and toronto to supprort ddr4 and ddr3 both with the hybrid imc that we already know about?!

two moar kaveri a10 7800 reviews
http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/highlights2/leo-waldoc...
http://lanoc.org/review/cpus/6905-amd-a10-7800-kaveri
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August 2, 2014 10:23:45 PM

I really wonder what the performance is like on toronto compared to their x86 cpus.
August 3, 2014 4:45:28 AM

de5_Roy said:
wccftech makes a discovery so startling that i typed their name right:
AMD Toronto APU and CPUs will Include Dual IMCs for DDR3 and DDR4 Support
http://wccftech.com/amd-toronto-apu-feature-dual-imc-dd...
wut?! servers be using ddr4 memory and toronto to supprort ddr4 and ddr3 both with the hybrid imc that we already know about?!
http://lanoc.org/review/cpus/6905-amd-a10-7800-kaveri


Unbeliveable.

Oh, wait.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MSi-Eight-Memory-Slots...
August 3, 2014 9:44:39 AM

szatkus said:
de5_Roy said:
wccftech makes a discovery so startling that i typed their name right:
AMD Toronto APU and CPUs will Include Dual IMCs for DDR3 and DDR4 Support
http://wccftech.com/amd-toronto-apu-feature-dual-imc-dd...
wut?! servers be using ddr4 memory and toronto to supprort ddr4 and ddr3 both with the hybrid imc that we already know about?!
http://lanoc.org/review/cpus/6905-amd-a10-7800-kaveri


Unbeliveable.

Oh, wait.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/MSi-Eight-Memory-Slots...


I don't see them wasting DIMMs in a server when physical space is important. My guess is either DDR3 and DDR4 DIMMs are compatible or we will have two sockets.
August 3, 2014 10:18:51 AM

What I dislike about amd right now is they are building awesome laptop cpus for the desktop.

Not to say hsa and mantle are not awesome but til they hit that point where they are more widely useful amd still needs to make 100% cpu options.

They don't have to make as many but give us a strong cpu without the gpu attached

At least until amd gets the apu to a r9 270 I don't see the point of buying a super laptop cpu for my desktop

Amd doesn't ever have to be intel they just need to be better then they are now
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August 3, 2014 2:40:12 PM

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james pinnix said:
What I dislike about amd right now is they are building awesome laptop cpus for the desktop.

Not to say hsa and mantle are not awesome but til they hit that point where they are more widely useful amd still needs to make 100% cpu options.

They don't have to make as many but give us a strong cpu without the gpu attached

At least until amd gets the apu to a r9 270 I don't see the point of buying a super laptop cpu for my desktop

Amd doesn't ever have to be intel they just need to be better then they are now


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What I dislike about amd right now is they are building awesome laptop cpus for the desktop.


I don't know what you mean here do you mean small portable desktops?

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They don't have to make as many but give us a strong cpu without the gpu attached


They have the FX series and the 6300 is a better choice then a I3 any day for modern gaming or applications and a 8320fx is a no brainier when compared to a I3 and a Athlon Steamroller 4 core will probably be a better choice then a Pentium for general computing and about even in gaming compared to a Pentium. The 8350fx really competes in price with a locked I5 haswell at only 3.2Ghz and in newer games the 8350fx wins and in a LOT of applications it also wins compared to that CPU.

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At least until amd gets the apu to a r9 270

When that time comes a 270 will barley be able to play modern games at anything higher than medium settings at 1080P, they will probably not even make a discrete card with that level of performance since it would be a 100$ video card if that.
August 3, 2014 6:43:23 PM

At this rate they are long way off seeing 270 performance and yes by the time they get to it, it will be struggling to run anything.....

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