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What PSU is compatible and will this GPU work?

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May 5, 2012 8:48:43 AM

Hi guys, I have 200$ to spend, and I'm looking to upgrade my computer so it can handle some new games. I'm playing WoW these days, but ill also be playing a few new-ish games, like Fallout: New Vegas, or Deus ex 3, etc. I heard that this card can handle anything that WoW can throw at it easy: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... , as well as some newer games. Also considering my price range, this thing is a godsend, even if it is refurbished. (Also while I'm here, is it wise to buy refurbished from newegg? i see a lot of bad comments some times...)

So here is my computer: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF06b/12132708-...

All parts are original, I have never upgraded this. That being said, the CPU in this is still very good people have told me, and it passes a lot of benchmarks even for most newer games, its just the 8500GT that needs to go, I mean i cant even get 20 frames on Fallout 3 with all settings as low as possible and all hardware acceleration off.

In order to put that card into that machine, I need a 450w PSU to be safe, or so I'm told, So what PSU can I throw in my machine that will have all the right plugs, I mean its an older computer (2008). Can anyone tell me? or explain to me how I can tell?

So in recap: Will that card handle WoW as well as many other games easy? Am I safe to buy it refurbished? and What PSU should I put in there that will be compatible? Remember I only got like $200-$250 (with shipping) to work with here, so If you can help me find a Card + PSU combo in that price range that's even better than the card I listed, that would be gravy (Dont think my case will hold a 10" card btw, maybe not even an 8" so I might have to get a new cheap case too. The card in there is a 6" I believe, and it looks like it could reach further length wise, however the card case might not be able to fir on a larger card, especialy a dual-slot cause of how tall it is.).
May 5, 2012 9:23:55 AM

Well I wanna be sure that I can max out WoW, all settings max, x16aa, the whole 9 yards, at 60fps. I know that may change if i do a 25 man raid for instance, but I mean 60frams on those settings 99% of the time. Also thats a 600w PSU, wouldnt it be better for me to spend half that on a 500w or a 450w, and use the extra cash to perhaps get a 480? or better? the less money I have to put into a PSU, the better a GPU I can get. Remember I got up to and around $250 to spend so please be creative with me.

Take this for example I jsut found: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Only $165 after rebate.

Perhaps that card + a cheap 500w PSU as according to: http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-146... , that card only requires 450w.
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May 5, 2012 9:40:16 AM

You wont hit 60 fps with either of those cards at the settings your talking about.One thing you dont want to skimp out on is the power supply.$75 is pretty cheap for a solid 600 watt psu.Others might dissagree but i would never go by what the reccomended psu is..Im sure a 500 watt will work just make sure its a brand name like corsair.In your price range i might go with a ati 6850 or 6870 and get the psu i reccomended.If your talking gtx 480 noway will that run on a 450 watt and if it did the psu would have a very short life span
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May 5, 2012 9:44:22 AM

for card get this its already factory overclocked and you can overclock it more it has better cooling with good overclocking ability it can play wow on 1080 p with high settings with some aa you will get an decent fps.:) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

review

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

this psu can power that card and even cards such as hd 6870 and gtx 560ti at max this is in cheaper price with good performance.:) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

for case this one with good air flow to keep heat away.:) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this all you can get in 279.99 dollars really will be an good upgrade if u buy all this items which i have given.:) 
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May 5, 2012 9:46:49 AM

here what you need to know As much as the power (Watts) requirement matters, the current requirement, measured in Amps is as important if not even more important. This is especially true if you have a or several dedicated video card(s). As a general rule of thumb, you’re aiming for the highest number on the 12V line.Power Supplies that are certified 80 PLUS have been independently tested for their efficiency. Now, there are 4 different 80 PLUS certifications, depending on how efficient the power supply is:

80 PLUS: The power supply is at least 80% efficient at 20%,50% and 100% load
80 PLUS Bronze: The power is at least 82% efficient at 20% and 100% and 85% efficient at 50% load.
80 PLUS Silver: The power is at least 85% efficient at 20% and 100% and 88% efficient at 50% load.
80 PLUS Gold: The power is at least 87% efficient at 20% and 100% and 90% efficient at 50% load.

The 80 PLUS and higher certifications are the way to go when you are looking for an efficient power supply

Do not trust specifications such as “Efficiency: 80% to 85% Efficiency Typical” that are not 80PLUS certified. 80 PLUS is an independent standard test. No 80 PLUS and “Efficiency: 80% to 85% Efficiency Typical” means that it is 80% to 85% efficient, according to the manufacturer that is, using their own in-house test, which may or may not so much represent real efficiency.Overclocking, or raising a part (CPU, Video Card, RAM) frequency beyond the manufacturer set frequency to gain extra performance, is a strain for a power supply. If you overclock, it is even more important to have a high-quality power supply that can handle the extra load.

As the frequency increase, so does the power consumed by the overclocked part. If you raise the voltage, the power consumption goes up even more, putting even more stress on your power supply. How much is hard to quantify, as every CPU and video card have different power requirements. However, it is not rare to see the power consumption go up by 50W, 100W, 150W or even more, depending on your computer setup.

I simply recommend that if you overclock, make sure that your power supply is powerful enough to handle the extra load. If you have a cheap power supply or are already close to its limit, do not overclock as you’re putting your power supply and possibly your computer on the line!
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May 5, 2012 9:56:25 AM

Keep in mind a gtx 480 can push a whole system to 475 watts under full load so anything under a 550 watt good psu would be pushing it.
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May 5, 2012 5:35:24 PM

I think I was misunderstood, I'm concerned that I will buy a PSU, and the connections on it wont work with my computers already existing parts cause its 4 years old, is there any way you can tell whether or not that will happen?

Also I have to disagree about the GTX480, based on this chart done by our own Toms forums: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/world-of-warcraft-c...

So what about this then? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... , Its 90$ off, and by looking at the charts above you can see the Difference between the 480 and 580 is completely negligable.

@Suunk: With the card above, I get 50-60% more performance, for only 40$ more, so I gotta say thats the better deal. Perhaps that wouldnt be so if the card wasnt already $90 off, but it is, and that seems like the way to go.

Do you think its likely that my CPU will bottleneck that GPU? I mean my CPU is still fairly decent so I hear..

Also should this PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... power the 480? its a single rail at 12v @ 52a, the recommended for a 480 is a 12v @ 42a and a 600w PSU, so it should be fine considering i have no plans to OC right?
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Anonymous
May 5, 2012 9:30:13 PM

that chart shows 1680x1050 Im sure his test didnt include every setting to max shadows ect.Trust me no card will give you consistant 60 fps in wow with everything turned all the way up.even my 7970 stays more towards 40 fps then it does 60 maxed out.
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May 5, 2012 9:33:45 PM

His tests included everything on the preset ultra settings of WoW, which is 16x aa, shadows maxed, everything at the top. Your probably considering your FPS during Raids which of course will drop, that cant be helped. I'm just looking for the best passible in my price range and that 480 seems to be it.
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Anonymous
May 5, 2012 10:09:00 PM

You want 60 fps im telling you with eerything maxed you will not get it consitantly.Ive been playing the game for years with atleast 5 different configs and 3 of which were way more powerful then what your building.You will not get these kind of numbers atleast not anymore.I have a gtx 480 in my rig right now ill run fraps later on maxed out and see what i comeup with.that test is old as time goes on there adding little graphical differences that makes it harder on your system.gtx 480 is good just make sure you got the psu to run it.550 watt good one should do as long as you dont plan to overclock
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May 6, 2012 8:57:10 AM

get this psu that is not an good psu i have heard bad things about it so dont waste your money get this one its enough to power gtx 480 and shouldhandle overclocked cpu or maybe gpu.:) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this psu is good read the whole review then u will understand.:) 

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/OCZ-ModXStream-P...

and for cpu you should overclock it in cpu dependent game it will bottleneck and the gpu will not get the whole advantage of the gpu so overclock it to get the benifits of the card.:) 
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May 6, 2012 9:04:31 AM

overclock it to atleast 3.0ghz.:) 
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