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July 1, 2012 1:03:04 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: The next few months

Budget Range: $1-$1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, 3d Rendering, HD video editing

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, gpu, psu (500 watt, corsair), hdd, optical drive

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, ncix, bestbuy, amazon

Country: US

Parts Preferences: full tower case, biostar/asus mb
Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Dont care about how it looks really, I need suggestion for the motherboard, case, cooling. I am planning on crossfiring two 6870's (I have one atm)
Also I would prefer If the motherboard had tons of pci slots
Also keep in mind the 6870's takes up two pci spaces each, so It would be great if the mb's pci were spacey, I am putting in 1 pci express and another pci (besides the two gpu's) extentsion
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Here is what I have picked out that I need to purchase
cpu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wireless lan-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bbTn

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July 1, 2012 1:15:04 AM

You want tons of pci slots and not pci-e slots?
You chose an AMD buldozer cpu for a gaming/video editing/rendering computer?
Good luck with your build.
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July 1, 2012 1:17:34 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Best motherboard you can get for that CPU. Oddly enough I used to have one and also ran 6870s crossfired. Its quadruple spaced and the cards both run in x16. You can plug x1 and x4 in any of the other PCIe slots. There will also be an available PCI legacy slot open right under your first card. As for the case that's really personal preference. It's hard to pick a case that someone else will find aesthetically pleasing. Why dont you pick a few out that you think are cool and we will tell you if they will be good for your purposes.

As far as cooling goes, the Hyper 212 Plus is great and cheap. There are some slightly better yet more expensive options available too.

hyper evo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

these are cool too:
Antec Kuhler 620 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I run one of these and I love it.

This was a nice cooler I used to have too:

Zalman 9900MAX - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 1, 2012 1:27:08 AM

inzone said:
You want tons of pci slots and not pci-e slots?
You chose an AMD buldozer cpu for a gaming/video editing/rendering computer?
Good luck with your build.


Ignore the pci thing, I am tired sorry. What cpu would you recommend then?
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July 1, 2012 1:33:34 AM

stickg1 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Best motherboard you can get for that CPU. Oddly enough I used to have one and also ran 6870s crossfired. Its quadruple spaced and the cards both run in x16. You can plug x1 and x4 in any of the other PCIe slots. There will also be an available PCI legacy slot open right under your first card. As for the case that's really personal preference. It's hard to pick a case that someone else will find aesthetically pleasing. Why dont you pick a few out that you think are cool and we will tell you if they will be good for your purposes.

As far as cooling goes, the Hyper 212 Plus is great and cheap. There are some slightly better yet more expensive options available too.

hyper evo - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

these are cool too:
Antec Kuhler 620 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I run one of these and I love it.

This was a nice cooler I used to have too:

Zalman 9900MAX - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I dont care about aesthetics, as long as it has plenty of fans, ty for the mb/cpu fan suggestion. Do you have any suggestions for cooling for the rest of the pc?
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July 1, 2012 1:35:22 AM

Hello mate, i am going to start by saying that AMD sucks, Intel Pentium G850 puts the FX 8150 to shame in gaming.

Try one of my signature builds, let me know if you want to modify them a little, i can help you with that
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July 1, 2012 1:38:35 AM

Cheezeman78 said:
Eh, I prefer to stay away from intel


Well unfortunately Intel blows AMD out of the water pretty much in everything. So, if you want AMD, I guess go with that FX-8150 and the motherboard I mentioned earlier. You won't come close to the performance of the i7 though that is a fact. Even the i5-2500K would be better than the FX-8150.
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July 1, 2012 1:42:01 AM

stickg1 said:
Well unfortunately Intel blows AMD out of the water pretty much in everything. So, if you want AMD, I guess go with that FX-8150 and the motherboard I mentioned earlier. You won't come close to the performance of the i7 though that is a fact. Even the i5-2500K would be better than the FX-8150.


So your saying a quad core 3.3 is better than an eight core 3.6?
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July 1, 2012 1:46:55 AM

An AMD CPU is not going to do you any good in gaming, 3d rendering, or HD video editing. Something from Intel with multiple threads, like a 2600K. Even the 2500K would be a better choice over the 8150. Yea, it has 8 cores, but if the 8 cores are really really slow, then its not really any benefit to you.

Kinda like the 1980's Fox-Body Mustangs. They had a supposed 5.0L V8 engine, but they barely were able to put out 170 horsepower or so. A 2.0L 4-cylinder Volkswagen motor puts out over 200 horsepower and is more efficient.
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July 1, 2012 1:50:04 AM

Cheezeman78 said:
So your saying a quad core 3.3 is better than an eight core 3.6?


Yes, it isn't so much about the frequency and cores. The fact is the Intel has much higher IPC (Iterations/Instructions per Clock/Cycle). This is what makes them superior to any of AMD's offerings. Also the Bulldozer (FX) Series was considered a failure. Mostly because the only chip that outperformed it's 3 year old predecessor was those FX-81XXs and it is very slightly.

Here is a comparison between the i5-2500K and FX-8150, pay close attention as some benchmarks are "higher score is better" or "lower score is better" The i5 wins 80% of these and consumes much less power doing so:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=434

Here is the same comparison with an i7-2600K:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=434

The i7 wins in 100% of the categories.
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July 1, 2012 1:50:37 AM

Cheezeman78 said:
So your saying a quad core 3.3 is better than an eight core 3.6?


That is exactly what we are saying.
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July 1, 2012 1:54:21 AM

Also, Crossfire of the 6870's is not going to run on a 500W Corsair, maybe a 600W. The TX650 would do it.
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July 1, 2012 1:55:13 AM

Deemo13 said:
Also, Crossfire of the 6870's is not going to run on a 500W Corsair, maybe a 600W. The TX650 would do it.

I know I needto upgrade the psu, but i was going to do that later on.
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July 1, 2012 1:57:58 AM

Cheezeman78 said:
I know I needto upgrade the psu, but i was going to do that later on.

Yeah right now you should be perfect. Just upgrade it when you get another 6870.
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July 1, 2012 1:58:30 AM

There is two ways that you can go and it depends on how much of your budget that you want to spend. Because you have so many of the parts already then all your looking for is a cpu , motherboard , ram , cpu cooler , case and maybe a SSD.

Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
$349.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B 135mm Long life bearing CPU Cooler Blue LED
$63.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9B
$54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P8Z77-V LE PLUS LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$164.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Desktop Upgrade Kit
$169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-147-...

COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN3-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0 and Black Interior
$109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This total is $913.94 for a highend system and a top quality cpu , this build would be the expensive one and would require almost all of your budget.
You can go with a less expensive build by choosing the i5 3670k cpu and a less expensive MB.

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
$229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$114.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+
$30.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel 520 Series Cherryville SSDSC2CW120A310 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - OEM
$129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-167-...

This build is a less expensive one and the total is $670.94 and contains lower quality parts but is still a very powerful Pc.
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July 1, 2012 2:01:15 AM

Swap inzone's Ivys out for some Sandys and you got yourself some decent builds ;)  :p 
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July 1, 2012 2:03:43 AM

Cheezeman78 said:
Approximate Purchase Date: The next few months

Budget Range: $1-$1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, 3d Rendering, HD video editing

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, gpu, psu (500 watt, corsair), hdd, optical drive

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, ncix, bestbuy, amazon

Country: US

Parts Preferences: full tower case, biostar/asus mb
Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Dont care about how it looks really, I need suggestion for the motherboard, case, cooling. I am planning on crossfiring two 6870's (I have one atm)
Also I would prefer If the motherboard had tons of pci slots
Also keep in mind the 6870's takes up two pci spaces each, so It would be great if the mb's pci were spacey, I am putting in 1 pci express and another pci (besides the two gpu's) extentsion
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Here is what I have picked out that I need to purchase
cpu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wireless lan-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Ok, so now I am looking at intel suggestions compared to amd. I currently have a intel core i5 cpu 750 @ 2.67ghz 2.66 ghz cpu with my current pc and the I7 2600k doesn't look like that big of a difference. (I am also interested in very good multitasking)
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July 1, 2012 2:06:49 AM

Cheezeman78 said:
Ok, so now I am looking at intel suggestions compared to amd. I currently have a intel core i5 cpu 750 @ 2.67ghz 2.66 ghz cpu with my current pc and the I7 2600k doesn't look like that big of a difference. (I am also interested in very good multitasking)

The i7 has 4 cores with two threads per core = 8 threads = multitasking wet dream!
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July 1, 2012 2:07:09 AM

Well believe it or not, based on this here chart, the i5 750 is better than the 8150. Both the 750 and the 2600K are good multitaskers, but if you are looking for an upgrade, either get a 2600K or keep what you have. An 8150 would be a downgrade.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
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July 1, 2012 2:09:50 AM

Deemo13 said:
Well believe it or not, based on this here chart, the i5 750 is better than the 8150. Both the 750 and the 2600K are good multitaskers, but if you are looking for an upgrade, either get a 2600K or keep what you have. An 8150 would be a downgrade.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

how much of a difference would there be between my current cpu and the 2600k
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July 1, 2012 2:20:01 AM

Hyperthreading gives the Intel cpu extra virtual cores by adding another thread inside each core , so the quad core 2600k and 3770k are going to give you 8 cores to work with. The 990x and 980x are 6 core cpus with hyperthreading and that means they have 12 cores available.
I have the 980x and there are actualy 12 cores active and in the bios you hae the option to diable some of them.
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July 1, 2012 2:34:25 AM

stickg1 said:
Swap inzone's Ivys out for some Sandys and you got yourself some decent builds ;)  :p 

And OCed to 4.2 GHz, IB is the same as SB's 4.5 GHz. It is a good build regardless of whether it is SB or IB.
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July 1, 2012 2:37:50 AM

azeem40 said:
And OCed to 4.2 GHz, IB is the same as SB's 4.5 GHz. It is a good build regardless of whether it is SB or IB.


I just don't like the Ivy's on air. I've worked on a few trying to overclock them for customers and friends. I find that the temperatures of SB @ 4.5GHz are the same as temperatures on a IB @ 3.8GHz. I pushed one IB to 4.2GHz just to see and it hit 85C in less than a minute under load. This is just too hot for me and I rather run a SB @ 4.5GHz on air under 65C. Call me picky but this is how I feel.
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July 1, 2012 2:38:25 AM

inzone said:
Hyperthreading gives the Intel cpu extra virtual cores by adding another thread inside each core , so the quad core 2600k and 3770k are going to give you 8 cores to work with. The 990x and 980x are 6 core cpus with hyperthreading and that means they have 12 cores available.
I have the 980x and there are actualy 12 cores active and in the bios you hae the option to diable some of them.


Would it be worth (money wise/noticablity) to upgrade my i5 750 to the i7 2600k/3770k?
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July 1, 2012 2:42:59 AM

Cheezeman78 said:
Would it be worth (money wise/noticablity) to upgrade my i5 750 to the i7 2600k/3770k?


Do you currently find your i5-750 lacking in performance? If not then just hold on to it. It's a good chip.
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July 1, 2012 2:43:46 AM

I am not sure, but I have seen it not worth it upgrading from the i7-920.
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July 1, 2012 2:45:39 AM

stickg1 said:
Do you currently find your i5-750 lacking in performance? If not then just hold on to it. It's a good chip.


Not really, I would like an upgrade though. It isn't super fast but it works fine.
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July 1, 2012 2:47:21 AM

azeem40 said:
I am not sure, but I have seen it not worth it upgrading from the i7-920.

Ok, what cpu would be worth upgrading to then?
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July 1, 2012 2:52:22 AM

Ignore my last post. It is worth upgrading.
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July 1, 2012 2:52:45 AM

Did you check that link I posted? For encoding and rendering benchmarks the i7-2600K was twice as fast as your CPU. Keep in mind that these are stock clock rates too and the i7-2600K can go to 4.5GHz easily with a good cooler.
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July 1, 2012 2:56:16 AM

stickg1 said:
Did you check that link I posted? For encoding and rendering benchmarks the i7-2600K was twice as fast as your CPU. Keep in mind that these are stock clock rates too and the i7-2600K can go to 4.5GHz easily with a good cooler.

Ok, thanks! I might need to upgrade my mb. I will have to check what it is later.
Also I have a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (I won it in a contest) Im assuming that wouldn't be worth upgrading to? (I haven't opened it yet xD)
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July 1, 2012 2:56:57 AM

The i5-750 while still a good chip is still an i5and does not have hyperthreading and the clock speed is only 2.66ghz so if you upgrade to a i7- 2600k or i7-3770k or i7-2700k you gain a higher stock speed 3.4 for the 2600k and 3.5ghz for the 3770k and also 3.5ghz for the 2700k. You also gain the hyperthreading that now makes you have 8 total cores to use. The i5-750 is in the third level of the cpu chart and the other three i7's are at the top level.
You also gain the ability to overclock the i7 cpu's and make them that much faster since all three i7's have the unlocked multiplier.
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July 1, 2012 2:57:15 AM

Nice! Yeah don't upgrade to that but I'll buy it from ya for $50 ;) 
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July 1, 2012 2:57:35 AM

The i5-750 can go to 4 GHz easily.
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July 1, 2012 2:58:39 AM

stickg1 said:
Nice! Yeah don't upgrade to that but I'll buy it from ya for $50 ;) 

Ok, I have no use. If you are serious pm please, also thanks for the advice.
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July 1, 2012 3:06:01 AM

pm sent
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July 1, 2012 3:08:51 AM

Cheezeman78 said:
Approximate Purchase Date: The next few months

Budget Range: $1-$1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, 3d Rendering, HD video editing

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS, gpu, psu (500 watt, corsair), hdd, optical drive

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, ncix, bestbuy, amazon

Country: US

Parts Preferences: full tower case, biostar/asus mb
Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Dont care about how it looks really, I need suggestion for the motherboard, case, cooling. I am planning on crossfiring two 6870's (I have one atm)
Also I would prefer If the motherboard had tons of pci slots
Also keep in mind the 6870's takes up two pci spaces each, so It would be great if the mb's pci were spacey, I am putting in 1 pci express and another pci (besides the two gpu's) extentsion
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here is what I have picked out that I need to purchase
cpu- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Wireless lan-http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Ok so right now I am looking at these

ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-2600K
ZALMAN CNPS9900MAX-B 135mm Long life bearing CPU Cooler Blue LED
(btw ty you all you have been super helpful!)
(Btw I also have this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)
Could I get suggestions for what type of case to buy? Preferable one that has good cooling and fits the mb
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July 1, 2012 3:15:39 AM

What do you need from the Extreme6 that the Extreme3 Gen3 has? Z77 is wasted on a SB CPU. Get the Z68 Extreme3 Gen3.
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July 1, 2012 3:26:18 AM

Whats your exact budget?
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July 1, 2012 4:35:33 AM

The Antec 300 is such a nice case!! And the ASRock is so nice to work with. Agree with everything!
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July 1, 2012 6:15:26 AM

Case is more of a preference thing though; whatever calls your name.
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July 1, 2012 6:45:01 AM

Preference alone is not what is important in a case. Cable management and airflow are much more important. If it looks good AND has those qualities, it is a good case. Even if it only has cable management and airflow, it is still a good case. However, if it looks good and has crappy thermals or wiring, it is a bad case.
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