GTX 670 vs GTX 590

[olivierhacking]

Hi,
I am debating between which card to get of the two, a GTX 590 for 400 euros (but second hand) or a GTX 670. What would be a better choice, even though the actual price of the GTX 670 is not known? Lets say its 350 euros?
Thans!

 

[whoareyou1982]

Take a look here:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4710/nvidia_geforce_gtx_670_2gb_video_card_performance_preview/index3.html

There's no 590 for comparison, but the 6990 is kinda close. Should you give you a rough idea about performance, anyway. Look through all the benchmarks. There are several.

 

[alvine]

please teach me how to compare a card to something that has not been released yet

 

[cuecuemore]

please teach me how to compare a card to something that has not been released yet

You go to the review that was linked at the top of the page.

 

[monsta]

Go for the 670, the 590 is second hand and you dont want to be stuck with it if it has problems down the track.
The 670 also draws much less power , less heat and less noise and its also a smaller card.
The 670 has plenty of performance and you will find it easier later to add another if you wish to SLI.

 

[Rockdpm]

Yea the 670 is going to be a better option, SLI it if you need more performance but if its beating the 680 in some benchmarks... the 670 is a clear choice

 

[olivierhacking]

Ok, thanks for the advice! Will wait for some 670's with aftermarket coolers on them

 

[monsta]

Have a look at this

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4710/nvidia_geforce_gtx_670_2gb_video_card_performance_preview/index.html

 

[rdzona]

I would not base any buying decision from tweaktown reviews, that would be step one. Just be patient a few more days and when real reputable reviews are released from reviewers like [H], guru3d, Toms, which hopefully will be on the 10th as well, then check those out and then make your decision.

 

[olivierhacking]

Yes, I was thinking the same thing But I'm sure the GTX 670 will max out games such as BF3 on 1080p?

 

[monsta]

Yes, I was thinking the same thing But I'm sure the GTX 670 will max out games such as BF3 on 1080p?

Yeah I agree , what proof do you have to say they aren't reliable?

The testing they did looks legit , and they are already on sale here in Australia from 3 days ago and guys are already confirming the results.

 

[rdzona]

If you can show how tweaktown reviews are not trustworthy, then you should post that evidence. Otherwise, don't talk nonsense. Just because you do not *like* a site does not mean their reviews are not *reputable*.

Also @OP - I would expect the 670 to handle games like BF3 just fine.

Well, first off it has nothing to do with if I "like" them. I'm not childish and I don't let emotional attitude sway my opinion. I'm also not the only one stating this opinion. Just look at their numbers. They're suspect to say the least. Using games that are 4 years old. Think logically why would nvidia have a card perform so close to the 680? Also if every other bench I've seen, the 7970 beats the 680, yet this is not the case in their bench.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-680-twinfrozr-iii-oc-review/18

They also leaked these early because why? They don't play nice with nVidia? Since they can't reveal their source they can't state any info on the card, how do we know that the card they benched is reference? It could be an OC model.

Believe it if you want, but they have a poor history.

-- "Originally, TweakTown broke the NDA with MSI's GeForce 8800GT"
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1024345/8800gt-scores-leak-intraweb

-- Same story with the 9800 GX2.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1351/nvidia_s_9800_gx2_the_week_that_was/index.html

-- "Galaxy cut us off at one point and threatened to sue TweakTown because we broke an NDA which we hadn’t signed or been given"
http://www.shanebaxtor.com/

Seems a bit too convenient to be able to use that story over, and over, and over again. It isn't any wonder that nVidia (and AMD for that matter) has little interest in working with that site -- clearly Shane and company want to play by their set of rules and release content in advance of any NDA dates that bind other reviewers.

 

[rdzona]

So... basically what you're saying is that because they have fooled around NDAs before, and because they get (with their different test system) different results than another website, and because you don't like their own explanation for the early review, therefore their reviews are untrustworthy? Yeah that makes a LOT of sense........

Also, in both guru3d's and tweaktown's reviews the 7970 is ahead in Metro, it is just less so in the tweaktown one. But again, they're using different test platforms and it doesn't even look like they test the same segment.

You may not be swayed by childish emotions, but you seem to be being swayed by childish logic. It's fair to say "you should always read more than one review before making a purchase" but it's nonsense to say "yeah that review looks weird to me and I don't know why its there so therefore it must be untrustworthy".

Dude, I'm not going to sit here and argue this with you. All I'm saying and I believe I said it in an appropriate manner and provided some evidence that it's SUSPECT. I didn't come out and slander them, you're the one getting kind of rude by repeatedly bringing up inappropriate remarks such as "childish logic". Don't listen to anything I have to say I don't care. But when there are plenty of quality reviewers there will most likely be some kind of heirarchy. I tend to put ones like [H], guru3d at the top, and naturally there are going to be the ones at the other end.

 

[photonboy]

GTX670:
I'd simply ESTIMATE that it works 85% as well as a GTX680 and then use GTX680 benchmarks for now.

Also, apparently the 28nm process is slowly improving producing chips which can overclock better so a GTX670 in a few months may work almost as well as a GTX680 when overclocked (with a good non-reference cooler).

 

[voodooking]

Seems a bit too convenient to be able to use that story over, and over, and over again. It isn't any wonder that nVidia (and AMD for that matter) has little interest in working with that site -- clearly Shane and company want to play by their set of rules and release content in advance of any NDA dates that bind other reviewers.

Well you posted enough for me. I rely heavily on NDAs with my startup right now. If they break an NDA agreemnet with the big suppliers in the industry in front of their compeditors and in public then they will screw anyone. That means that they believe they are above everyone else and will happily publish what they want for any price.

Tweektown is out of my favorites.

 

[monsta]

Tweaktown has the GTX 670 as (across all resolutions) 6% slower than the GTX 680. That's very good and not unheard of... average step down is about 10% for a second tier card so this would be just slightly better than typical. It's not hard to explain, either - they can't supply enough 680 chips to fail to sell them, so they're not gonna be competing with themselves here. This also positions the 670 well against the 7970 and places even more pressure on AMD.

Their review also fits in with other information we have starting to trickle in.

Like I said, rather or not you like tweaktown has no bearings on rather or not their 670 review is legit. Right now we have nothing to suggest that it is not, and in fact all the evidence points to the fact that it is. Unless you are a conspiracy theorist, their actions related to any NDAs have no bearing on this review's quality.

Well said , some people get upset when a card performs so well and have to make it a conspiracy theory, is it cos its from Nvidia? If it was AMD's card would you react the same way? , Just be happy about it!

 

[monsta]

Told ya so

Anyways, @OP - since you mentioned wanting a custom 670, why not see if you can find one of these? Looks pretty amazing:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670_Direct_Cu_II/

That looks like the one to get , great factory oc too!

 

[olivierhacking]

I was just going to say, I am planning on getting the ASUS GTX670-DC2T-2GD5
The only concern I have is that it will be pretty much the exact same price as the second hand GTX 590 but perform worse (I think around 20%). Is the 670 surely a better choice?

EDIT: just saw in the review posted above about the Asus 670 that is performs just better than a GTX 680!!! :O
And it is SO quiet !!
Oh man, I have made my choice
Just need some confirmation from you all.

 

[monsta]

In my opinion I would personally prefer to buy a brand new card, that has a warranty.
The 590 is a fast card, but its also , power hungry , noisier, and hotter than the 670.
The 670 performs very well for its price and you can always get another if you wish to go SLI.
If you game at 1920x1200 the 670 is more than enough to play any game you throw at it.
The 670 is an excellent deal.

 

[olivierhacking]

Just reading another review at Guru3d, also of the Asus- seems to be a popular card. I don't understand how it is so quiet, the previous DCII cards were surely louder.
(guru review here: http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-directcu-ii-top-review/)

 

[monsta]

Guess the 670 has better thermals and doesn't heat up as much for the fans to go crazy.

 

[olivierhacking]

Hmm, well I live in Belgium so the situation is a bit different
But nonetheless I will order as soon as I can, I can only order tomorrow at earliest though. Otherwise I will have to wait a while for it to be back in stock. I am sure in the next month I will be able to purchase it if stock somehow runs out today though? Or is stock really that low?

 

[monsta]

Its strange because the 670 has been here for sale in Australia for almost a week already.

 

[monsta]

15 minutes?

 

[monsta]

Hehe I bet the EVGA goes first!