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November 11, 2012 1:30:22 PM

i am looking at 2 computers one with a AMD A8-4500M and one with a intel Core i5 3210M wich one??????? ps this is fore gaming and its a laptop
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November 11, 2012 3:04:48 PM

What is your budget? You have to understand that laptops aren't that great for gaming. Laptop CPU's run slower than desktop CPU's and when gaming they run hot. If you really want the best performance it's best to get something like an I7 with one dedicated graphics chip like a GTX 670M or GTX 680M. That is going to cost alot probably starting at 2000 to 3000 dollars. I wouldn't even bother with a gaming laptop. If you are dead set on it though the A-8 has better integrated and I guess if your main purpose is gaming the A-8 with integrated graphics is better. You probably aren't going to be able to play games on ultra high settings like you would with a dedicated graphics chip.
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November 11, 2012 3:43:06 PM

If you are simply going to rely on integrated graphics to play games then the A8-4500m has better performance. While the Radeon HD 7640g cannot compare to a dedicated graphics card, it should be decent enough to play games at 1366x768 resolution with medium graphics as long as the game is not graphic intensive.

Getting an A10-4600m would be a better choice since it has the slightly faster HD 7660g.
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November 11, 2012 8:09:10 PM

Well I'm not gonna be doing any hardcore gaming its just an improvement from my desktop with a e-300 but if u find any desktops or laptops from 300-450 tell me
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November 11, 2012 8:25:35 PM

I would forget the laptop and just get a new desktop. Like I said a laptop just isn't that great for gaming unless you drop 3000 dollars for an I7 QM and a dedicated graphics chip like a mobile GTX 670 or 680.
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November 11, 2012 11:34:12 PM

hafijur said:
by the way a 670m is a pile of junk. 670mx 675mx and 680m and 660m and 650m/640m etc are what the op should be looking at for gaming.


First off all there is nothin wrong with the GTX 67* and GTX 68* series of mobile video cards. Why would the OP want to get a 640, 650 and 660 mobile graphics. In case you didn't know those are low end gaming video chips and and are worse performers than the 670 and 680 chips. If his main purpose is gaming he should be looking at high-end graphics chips like the 670 and 680 not the crappy 640.

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Also rds there are a lot of laptop processors much faster then your desktop processor. In fact there are laptops nearly as powerful as your rig. Just slightly less powerful gpu wise with 680m on sli oc'd. A single gtx 680m owns a desktop gtx 580. In fact the 650m is more then enough for gaming as it is similar performance to a 5750/5770. macbook pro retina has the 650m as it is a low profile card but because kepler is so good it eats a gtx 560m that cosumes double the electricity for breakfast.


A dual core I5 is NOT the same as a desktop I5. All mobile processors are cooler slightly slower versions of desktop CPU's. They have to run cooler and draw less power than a desktop CPU and the only way to do that is to lower clock speeds. Everything else you said just states the obvious. It would be a complete disaster if th new graphics chip's didn't beat out the old graphics chips.

hafijur said:
Why would you not bother gaming on a laptop? Laptops normally are very low power consumption for gaming these days. I reckon something like an i5 3210m computer with gt 650m is decent enough for playing most games at 1080p at 40fps+ at medium/high graphics or at 720p at ultra at 60fps with no aa etc.


Why would I not bother with a laptop because you have to spend two to three thousand dollars just to get a decent gaming laptop. Even then it' still not going to perform as good as a desktop. Not to mention you'll probably burn you lap off. There are to many drawbacks of laptops that make them not worth buying.

They cost to much (desktop computers cost less and can perform better than a laptop)
No matter how you try to twist and turn it heat is always a concearn
Closed market OEM hardware
Weak performance compared to a desktop
battery that will quickly drain when gaming
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November 12, 2012 12:31:36 AM

Laptops as gaming platforms just don't make sense. I realize I'm not adding much to the discussion that Rds has already covered, but merely just to echo the sentiment as a "second opinion". You could spend thousands on a laptop for "gaming" that can't do what a $1000 desktop can do.

$450 is a pretty tight budget for a desktop system that would be a "Gaming computer", $600 (tower only, assuming you don't need an OS or monitor, keyboard and all that) can get you something quite respectable however, and something that would crush a laptop of similar price in terms of performance.
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November 16, 2012 2:25:14 AM

hafijur said:
rds, you don't know much about laptops it seems. Now is a great time for gaming laptops. You can always using cooling pads. Your i5 2500k cpu is very slow compared to a lot of mobile cpu's out now. There is like 10 mobile cpu's that beat your 2500k with ease. 2 680m's overclocked on sli come close to your desktop gtx 680's on sli at stock.

Anyway considering people were amazed by 8800gtx/8800 ultra a gt 640m/650m destroy them in gaming performance. Heck a 650m competes with a 9800gx2 and the 9800gx2 takes around another 250w more to run.

The ironic thing is the 680m scores ocer double the 670m 3dmark11 and the 670m takes more electricity. Who would buy a 670m and 675m over the new 670mx and 675mx. Resale value will be rubbish as they 670m and 675m are pile of junk.

Finally it doesn't cost a lot of money for gaming laptops. A £800 laptop on ebay and you can get a 7970m which performs similar to a desktop 7870 and it can max most games at 1080p at 60fps.

By the way there are close to 15 mobile cpu's faster then your 'desktop' 2500k so I guess your cpu is more mid range cpu.


You really are clueless and don't know what you are talking about..sorry but you are dead wrong. As both me and Nukulturny have pointed out laptop's do not make good gaming platforms. There are to many drawbacks that make it not worth it. Cooling pads only do so much, and I have to wonder if you have even gamed with laptop because I don't think you realize just how much heat a laptop puts out especially when gaming. Even with cooling pads laptop's still run hot and heat is and always will be a problem. Laptop's CPU's are not faster then there desktop counterpart. A Sandy Bridge desktop I5 will always be faster than a laptop I5. An Ivy Bridge I5 will always be faster than a laptop Ivy Bridge I5. If the I5 is so slow compared to mobile CPU's lets see some benchmarks to back up your claim. Until then I believe my I5 with two GTX 680's will blow away any overpriced 3000 dollar gaming latop.
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November 16, 2012 5:17:37 AM

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What? 7970Ms perform about on par with 7770s....You smokin crack if you think a laptop GPU 7970M is ready to take on my 7870 GHZ edition.


7770 Desktop- 3D mark
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/3330566

7970M Laptop 3D mark
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/3309756

why did you link an 7770 x2?

the 7970m is a 7870 desktop chip clocked 200mhz slower, its the same exact chip other than that.

The 680m is a lower clocked lower bandwidthed 660ti, which is probably slower than a 660 desktop.

Mobile cpus are all bad, even the I7QMs are barely better than a desktop i3 in gaming.
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November 16, 2012 5:31:41 AM

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Mobile cpus are all bad, even the I7QMs are barely better than a desktop i3 in gaming.


Thats what I've been trying to say, tell that to haf who seems to think that mobile CPU's and GPU's are just as powerful or more powerful than their desktop counterpart. :pfff: 
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November 16, 2012 6:50:18 AM

esrever said:
why did you link an 7770 x2?

the 7970m is a 7870 desktop chip clocked 200mhz slower, its the same exact chip other than that.

The 680m is a lower clocked lower bandwidthed 660ti, which is probably slower than a 660 desktop.

Mobile cpus are all bad, even the I7QMs are barely better than a desktop i3 in gaming.

It was a random google result. I didn't check it out as thoroughly as I should have, mainly because the post in which I responded to was so absurd it wasn't worth the due diligence.
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March 27, 2013 5:23:22 PM

Lol... You all are pretty stupid worrying about performance. None of you said Mobility. A word that is gracious when coming to gaming. Sure you can sit your fat asses in your rooms or basements and play a game or whine on forums, but me.. I like to go out and game, libraries, college, parks,cafes. I get a lot of compliments on my laptop with a backlit keyboard, sleek design, I7 running HD 4000 and a Nvidia card. Sure a desktop is better. No doubt about it but can you take it away from your desk? No. I can game anywhere in my room or even watch movies ANYWHERE. I spent 860$ on mine and couldn't be happier. Also Btw 2000-3000$ Could buy you a lot more than a laptop. That's some stupid laptop like an Alienware. You paying for stupid lights and a name that is burnt out. But 1000$ Can get you top of the line laptop parts,cpu,full HD !080p 3D LCD and whatever else you need.
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April 17, 2013 6:22:04 PM

Markmuffin said:
Lol... You all are pretty stupid worrying about performance. None of you said Mobility. A word that is gracious when coming to gaming. Sure you can sit your fat asses in your rooms or basements and play a game or whine on forums, but me.. I like to go out and game, libraries, college, parks,cafes. I get a lot of compliments on my laptop with a backlit keyboard, sleek design, I7 running HD 4000 and a Nvidia card. Sure a desktop is better. No doubt about it but can you take it away from your desk? No. I can game anywhere in my room or even watch movies ANYWHERE. I spent 860$ on mine and couldn't be happier. Also Btw 2000-3000$ Could buy you a lot more than a laptop. That's some stupid laptop like an Alienware. You paying for stupid lights and a name that is burnt out. But 1000$ Can get you top of the line laptop parts,cpu,full HD !080p 3D LCD and whatever else you need.


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April 18, 2013 3:02:43 PM

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Well I'm not gonna be doing any hardcore gaming its just an improvement from my desktop with a e-300 but if u find any desktops or laptops from 300-450 tell me


$450 is a stretch. An AMD A8 laptop is about the only option in that range.

$427
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+Pavilion+17.3%26%2334%...


You might want to wait until June when the newer Intel/AMD chips come out. These laptops will go on clearance.
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October 9, 2013 7:42:34 PM

Simple solution, get the cheapest DX 11 capable laptop you can & run an i7 & the best desktop graphics card you can afford on it.....
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by connecting to a desktop with an i7 & a good GPU running Windows Server 2012 & RemoteFX.

Problem solved. (It's not like you'll be doing much gaming outside of your house anyway.)
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