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July 3, 2012 5:58:26 PM

Hello everybody, I will be building and ordering my parts for my first build pretty soon and I just wanted other people opinions on my selected parts. I have no real set budget on it but I would like to keep it around or under the $2000.00 mark. I will want to play every game possible on the market on very high ultra settings. Please give any constructive criticism or past experiences on my selected parts, that would be very much appreciated!

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Case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R white.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: EVGA GTX 670 FTW 2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: ABS Majesty series MJ1100-M Continuous 1100W@50°C
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 12GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: HGST Deskstar 7K3000 2TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: ASUS VW246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms(GTG)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Heat sink: ZALMEN 135mm Long life bearing CPU Cooler Blue LED
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Speakers: Logitech S-220 17 Watts 2.1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD/DVD burner: ASUS 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


*Notes*
First glance I know your thinking that the power is way too much. Even with the fact that I will most likely SLI in the future. But a gold rated 1100 watt power supply for $159?? I couldn't resist.

As for the cpu I understand that Ivy's do get pretty hot when overclocked at higher speeds (4.5ghz and above) and that Sandy's do overclock higher but from what I understood a 4.7 Ivy would theoretically be as powerful as a 5.0 Sandy. And I don't see very many people with 2600 or 2700k's at 5.0ghz Plus with the 3.0 PCI support of the Ivy it made me lean more towards it.

One of my major concerns is the hard drive, I want to make sure that the Hitachi I picked won't die on me and will run everything at exceptional speeds. I know a SSD would be better suited there but I just don't know If I'm ready to hop on that boat just yet..

I was debating on a 120hz monitor instead of the ASUS, I was looking at the BENQ 120hz monitors but I just don't know if it would be a very noticeable difference in gaming between that and the 2ms ASUS.

12GB of ram is excessive for gaming use and even 8GB of ram would be more than enough. I know this, but I do plan on getting into 3-D graphical design and I will be rendering videos in Sony vegas so I took the leap to 12GB.

I would appreciate any recommendations for different or better parts and as to why you selected them. Thank you in advance.

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July 3, 2012 6:18:40 PM

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12GB of ram is excessive for gaming use and even 8GB of ram would be more than enough. I know this, but I do plan on getting into 3-D graphical design and I will be rendering videos in Sony vegas so I took the leap to 12GB.


First off that RAM is useless as it's triple channel RAM meant for X58 systems - it will be useless on Z77. Get this instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get two for 16GB if you need it.

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As for the cpu I understand that Ivy's do get pretty hot when overclocked at higher speeds (4.5ghz and above) and that Sandy's do overclock higher but from what I understood a 4.7 Ivy would theoretically be as powerful as a 5.0 Sandy. And I don't see very many people with 2600 or 2700k's at 5.0ghz Plus with the 3.0 PCI support of the Ivy it made me lean more towards it.


I have the 3570K and I've never noticed that it gets hot when overclocked. If you have a good cooling solution you won't notice the temperature increase.

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One of my major concerns is the hard drive, I want to make sure that the Hitachi I picked won't die on me and will run everything at exceptional speeds. I know a SSD would be better suited there but I just don't know If I'm ready to hop on that boat just yet..


Hitachi HDs have horrendous reliability. You're better off going with Western Digital, Seagate, or Samsung. SSDs are great but the high cost per GB can be a problem when you get into higher capacity drives. I usually recommend low SSD / high HD capacity - you'll get more bang for your buck that way.

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I would appreciate any recommendations for different or better parts and as to why you selected them. Thank you in advance.


Ditch that PSU (PSU brands that are not major name brands are likely to be bad news later on) and the triple channel RAM. Also ditch the $100 keyboard. That is quite a bit excessive. Get the RAM I suggested earlier and get this for a PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'd also change out the cooler and if you're going to be doing video editing you might want to look into X79 over Z68. Try something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-3820 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 CPU Cooler ($85.09 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock X79 Extreme6 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($258.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($118.99 @ eCost)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.18 @ Mac Connection)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On IHBS112-04 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($74.99 @ CompUSA)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (64-bit) ($136.48 @ Amazon)
Total: $1802.18
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

Add monitor and whatever else you need and you're good to go.
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July 3, 2012 6:21:12 PM

I would add an SSD to your setup. Something like the Crucial m4 or Plextor M3. 128 Gb will be plenty for a boot drive plus your most important games.

If you do plan to get in to graphics design, I would get 16 Gb of RAM. The model you chose would be fine. I would also consider switching your GPU to AMD. Their cards have significantly more processing power compared to Nvidia. If you're doing more gaming though stick with your choice.

This motherboard will have more features and is cheaper (on sale right now; if not on sale about the same price). Quality is also good. Asrock z77 Extreme 6: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... .

I'm not familiar with your PSU so I can't comment about quality. However, if your PSU malfunctions for any reason, it can take your entire system with it. That being said, A Nzxt Hale 750W PSU is also gold rated, reliable, and at the same price. I would consider getting this instead.
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July 3, 2012 7:32:14 PM

Oh wow! I didn't even notice the z77 boards only support dual channel, I opted for 2 x 8gb G.Skills instead.

As for the hard drive.. I think everybody has mixed emotions on what they prefer. As you said the Hitachi's have a bad rep for failing, I read otherwise. That those and Samsungs were the ones people had less problems with, and that with WD people had more failures with them. Though with the caviar black's 5 year warranty that doesn't seem too bad I suppose.. I would like to get a ssd, yes. Like you said to get one for my OS and apps and such and a hdd for storage. Yes, I know this. But, I'm just so used to one drive and I really have no complaint on the speed of them. So buying a ssd would be good and much much faster, I just don't see the necessity in them. That is until the prices drop down on some of the higher capacity ssd's haha.

I understand that the keyboard is pretty expensive and I could get one that worked just as well for much less but it would just fit my case so well! That's why I decided on putting in a little bit of extra money for it.

I'm still searching around for a good power supply also. I know that the ABS I picked isn't a known brand but the reviews on it seems pretty good to me. Would you recommend any other psu that would meet my requirements and be able to do SLI with high end cards?
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July 3, 2012 8:06:16 PM

The PSU in G-unit's build will be able to handle your needs and is good quality. I would also recommend xfx core edition pro 750.
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July 3, 2012 8:12:09 PM

Thank you for the recommendation, I'll look into the xfx and other power supplies as well.
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July 3, 2012 8:20:34 PM

For HDD's, perhaps a compromise. Try WD Velociraptor. With the 10K speed you get better access time than the typical HDD. Of course SSD's access time is much better, but if you don't want to go SSD yet, perhaps Velociraptors are the way to go. Get a couple in raid0 and you can double the output data rate.
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July 3, 2012 8:34:52 PM

babernet_1 said:
For HDD's, perhaps a compromise. Try WD Velociraptor. With the 10K speed you get better access time than the typical HDD. Of course SSD's access time is much better, but if you don't want to go SSD yet, perhaps Velociraptors are the way to go. Get a couple in raid0 and you can double the output data rate.


I was actually looking at the velociraptor, as it would be the best alternative to a ssd with it still being faster than a 7200 and hold more space then a ssd like you said. I just don't know if the $300 is worth it. How would you compare the caviar black to the RE4? Or would the extra price of the velociraptor really be worth it between the two of those hard drives.
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July 3, 2012 8:35:17 PM

babernet_1 said:
For HDD's, perhaps a compromise. Try WD Velociraptor. With the 10K speed you get better access time than the typical HDD. Of course SSD's access time is much better, but if you don't want to go SSD yet, perhaps Velociraptors are the way to go. Get a couple in raid0 and you can double the output data rate.


Absolutely not - you'll never notice any sort of speed increase from 7200 RPM to 10000RPM (even Windows Experience Index only rates them at about 6.0 - 6.1), the WD Velociraptor drives aren't worth the premiums that are being charged.
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July 3, 2012 8:48:32 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Absolutely not - you'll never notice any sort of speed increase from 7200 RPM to 10000RPM (even Windows Experience Index only rates them at about 6.0 - 6.1), the WD Velociraptor drives aren't worth the premiums that are being charged.


The windows experience index is rather irreverent to me as you could only get up to the 7.9 with a ssd and not a hdd. But your saying that there would be absolutely no gain with the 10000RPM over the 7200RPM? As in decreased time in video rendering? Wait, that would be mostly done by the cpu and gpu right? So I guess the speed between the two really wouldn't be noticeably would it? Except maybe the windows boot up time which I rarely turn my computer off now as it is..
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July 3, 2012 11:28:28 PM

Alucard679 said:
The windows experience index is rather irreverent to me as you could only get up to the 7.9 with a ssd and not a hdd. But your saying that there would be absolutely no gain with the 10000RPM over the 7200RPM? As in decreased time in video rendering? Wait, that would be mostly done by the cpu and gpu right? So I guess the speed between the two really wouldn't be noticeably would it? Except maybe the windows boot up time which I rarely turn my computer off now as it is..


I just don't think it's worth it. With storage - the only drives that really are faster than a 7200 RPM drive are SSDs - no 10K RPM drives are really worth it, IMO.
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July 4, 2012 12:40:37 AM

g-unit1111 said:
I just don't think it's worth it. With storage - the only drives that really are faster than a 7200 RPM drive are SSDs - no 10K RPM drives are really worth it, IMO.

I agree that no one hard drive would be very faster than an other one, or even be noticeably faster at the least. And that If I really wanted speed then I should get a ssd. But man, I don't want just a small one for the OS and then maybe 10-15 games on it. I want everything in one place. Just seems easier to me, but none the less I am very appreciative of your responses. I ditched the Hitachi and will probably go back to the 2gb caviar black. That's what I had picked first. Even though the Hitachi's were bought out by WD.. I doubt they would be any different now though.
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July 4, 2012 5:47:04 AM

Best answer selected by Alucard679.
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