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July 5, 2012 3:11:41 AM

Hi, all! I'm building my first rig for myself (I've built others before, but this is the first one for my own use) and I'd like to know if these parts will last me a while.

I'll be using the system for Guild Wars 2 and other gaming endeavors, as well as a decent bit of 3D modeling and GUI editing/coding. I'll most likely be watching movies and going to LAN parties as well (weight is irrelevant, I can carry the 33 lbs), and I expect to do a good bit of vocal recording and sound processing.

Parts List.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($132.98 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ NCIX US)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Hard Drive: OCZ Octane 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($175.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Antec Eleven Hundred ATX Full Tower Case ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 600W ATX12V Power Supply ($66.79 @ NCIX US)
Total: $885.69

I'll be adding four Antec Tricool 120mm Blue LED fans for the front mesh/side acrylic panel, and one Arctic Cooling 12PWM 120mm Low Speed fan for the right panel socket fan.

In a few years, I'll be buying a good modular 750w PSU and a second Sapphire 6870 to fully futureproof the build. Looks are important, so I'd welcome recommendations as to good blue-LED-themed accessories (I already have the Naga mouse) and other suggestions (cheap cathodes, etc).

Thanks in advance for all your help. ^^ I appreciate it!

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July 5, 2012 5:05:50 AM

Not very long. It already is struggling. If you drop the SSD, then maybe 2-3 years.
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July 5, 2012 5:09:48 AM

On an $800 build, drop the SSD and upgrade your GPU to a Radeon 7850 - that will be a safer investment. You can always add an SSD later.
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July 5, 2012 5:14:53 AM

azeem40 said:
Not very long. It already is struggling. If you drop the SSD, then maybe 2-3 years.


I agree with Azeem here.

I think the best route may be to drop the SSD, and raise the 6870 to a 7850.
CF the 7850 in the future for increased performance. The 7850 is only
$210 AR, so that translates into $45 more than your current GPU choice.

You could either up the budget by $45, or remove the SSD, or drop the case
down to an $50 case.
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July 5, 2012 5:15:16 AM

g-unit1111 said:
On an $800 build, drop the SSD and upgrade your GPU to a Radeon 7850 - that will be a safer investment. You can always add an SSD later.


Beat me to the 7850 recommendation. Yours appeared while I was typing mine up. :lol: 
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July 5, 2012 11:44:59 PM

The SSD is probably the most important... I do lots of design in 3D, and I can't go without the fast parsing and processing that my SSD will provide. Unless it's absolutely unnecessary, I have to keep it. And VelociRaptors are too expensive...

In a few years, the 7850 will be worth much less (maybe $200-$170) and the additional 6870 xFire will match the performance of a single, powerful GPU for a much lower price. As it stands, the 6870 I'm buying is $180. Crossfired, it matches and even beats the performance of the 7970, to say nothing of the 7850. It's currently the most cost-effective GPU solution (not counting crossfired 6850's) and gets me the most frames for my dollar.

I'm more worried about the longevity of the parts themselves =p
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July 5, 2012 11:57:14 PM

sharadsun said:
The SSD is probably the most important... I do lots of design in 3D, and I can't go without the fast parsing and processing that my SSD will provide. Unless it's absolutely unnecessary, I have to keep it. And VelociRaptors are too expensive...


Not only that the Velociraptor HDs are unnecessary themselves. On those drives you trade lots of space for very little speed increase. In fact it's not really that noticeable from 7200 RPM to 10K RPM.

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In a few years, the 7850 will be worth much less (maybe $200-$170) and the additional 6870 xFire will match the performance of a single, powerful GPU for a much lower price. As it stands, the 6870 I'm buying is $180. Crossfired, it matches and even beats the performance of the 7970, to say nothing of the 7850. It's currently the most cost-effective GPU solution (not counting crossfired 6850's) and gets me the most frames for my dollar.


Not really. The 7850 reaches and in some cases exceeds performance of the GTX 570 and 580 for 1/2 the cost of a single 580. You never want to compromise GPU for two lesser cards when you can get the single strongest card you can get. Unless you're running top of the line 7970s, SLI and Crossfire are meant for end of life GPUs when adding a second one at a fraction of the cost will yield the same performance as one that costs twice as much. Initially you want to invest that in the single strongest GPU you can get.
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July 6, 2012 12:40:32 AM

If you don't want to cut the SSD out here, then you need to either up the budget or trim somewhere else to reach the goal you want. The PSU and Case are the only place you can make some cutbacks without losing performance really.

Case recommendations:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Different PSU can save ya around $16 after rebate:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


So if you were going with the Gamma and that PSU you are dropping down the costs by $66 or so.
That would be enough to get ya the upgrade from a 6870 to a 7850.
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July 6, 2012 7:36:33 AM

Is the extra 15% performance worth the $40-70 extra? I looked up all of AnandTech's benchmarks, and there's usually about a 5 FPS difference between the two. They're nearly identical, and returning my 6870 (+15% restock fee) to buy a more expensive card that hardly increases performance would not be worth the trouble.

Note: I'm getting a MAXIMUM of one other monitor, and if that at all, I'll be running it off my integrated graphics (for seeing chat, email, facebook, TeamSpeak while fullscreening GW2).

That means I'm playing at a MAXIMUM 1080p, and am NOT planning on playing at any higher resolutions.

Also, as to the case/PSU, will 600w be enough to run a 7850 Crossfire config, or will I still need to up my PSU come upgrade-time?
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July 6, 2012 10:31:53 AM

Found some interesting BFBC2 benchmarks.







I'm paying about $40 for 5 frames (in most cases, as I won't be playing Crysis 2). That's $20 a frame at 1200p. Also, in that diagram, the 6870x2 is the drop-off point before hitting ridiculous-expensive territory.

Not to mention that I'd have to return my 6870 (with all the shipping/restocking fees) and pay tax (+ warranty) for the new 7850. I've also heard that the 7800 series is unstable and plagued with buggy drivers, and that CF'd 6870's are far less buggy.

Again, I'm only playing at 1080p. Will the 1-7 FPS difference be noticeable?
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July 6, 2012 4:19:24 PM

sharadsun said:
Found some interesting BFBC2 benchmarks.

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=37118

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=37124

http://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=37126

I'm paying about $40 for 5 frames (in most cases, as I won't be playing Crysis 2). That's $20 a frame at 1200p. Also, in that diagram, the 6870x2 is the drop-off point before hitting ridiculous-expensive territory.

Not to mention that I'd have to return my 6870 (with all the shipping/restocking fees) and pay tax (+ warranty) for the new 7850. I've also heard that the 7800 series is unstable and plagued with buggy drivers, and that CF'd 6870's are far less buggy.

Again, I'm only playing at 1080p. Will the 1-7 FPS difference be noticeable?


I have a 7870, I've never experienced any driver issues or errors with it, and Catalyst 12.6 is supposed to be greatly improved over previous versions.
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July 6, 2012 4:50:34 PM

Catalyst 12.7 is supposed to improve the speed greatly of the 7xxx series cards. :) 
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July 6, 2012 8:42:46 PM

Welp, I got my chance to upgrade. I was offered the opportunity to trade my PC Power&Cooling PSU, and my Sapphire 6870, for an MSI Twin Frozr III OC 7850 and OCZ's ModxStream 500w Modular PSU.

Is that a good upgrade?

Once I XFire my card, I'll be getting the more-than-ample TX750m to power the rig.
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July 6, 2012 8:51:03 PM

sharadsun said:
Welp, I got my chance to upgrade. I was offered the opportunity to trade my PC Power&Cooling PSU, and my Sapphire 6870, for an MSI Twin Frozr III OC 7850 and OCZ's ModxStream 500w Modular PSU.

Is that a good upgrade?

Once I XFire my card, I'll be getting the more-than-ample TX750m to power the rig.


The GPU is much better, but the 500W PSU won't be able to handle an SLI / Crossfire setup, you'll need 600W at minimum, 650W to be on the safe side.
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July 6, 2012 11:18:21 PM

g-unit1111 said:
The GPU is much better, but the 500W PSU won't be able to handle an SLI / Crossfire setup, you'll need 600W at minimum, 650W to be on the safe side.


Of course xD that's why I said I'd be ordering the new PSU when I decide to Xfire (which will be a year or two down the road, as my first major PC upgrade for this rig).
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July 14, 2012 12:34:34 AM

Best answer selected by SharadSun.
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