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July 5, 2012 8:42:50 PM

Hi, I am about to build a PC. I'm a noob with processor, motherboard, well almost everything.

EDIT:

Approximate Purchase Date: This month or next
Budget Range: $600
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Software Development, DBMS, Gaming, Watching Movies
Parts Not Required: Case, Monitor, Hard Drive, Optical Drives, Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Any site that can deliver in México *
Country: México
Parts Preferences:
Overclocking: Not sure if needed
SLI or Crossfire: Maybe later
Monitor Resolution:
Additional Comments: There are no good dealers in Mexico, is hard to find a processor even at bestbuy.mx

The purpouse of this PC is, above all other options, productivity. I'm a software developer, I use VS2010, ExpressionBlend, MSSQL, PostgreSQL, Eclipse, Rad Studio XE, Unity. Not at the same time, of course. Also, I want to use 3 monitors, more space, more code, more tests.

But, sometimes, I'd like to play games, or watch movies. I don't want to play the latest game at full settings and high quality. It's not my objective. But I want something decent to enjoy a game like starcraft2 with good quality. I've read that is a good option to save a few bucks from the processor, and buy a better video card. Whicj video card do you recommend for me?

So, for my system, is good enough the FX 8120? Or should I go for the 2500K? Or another?

Any help with the motherboard will be very appreciated.

Note: I have a limited budget.

If you need more details. just ask.. :) 

* I'm not sure if Amazon, Microcenter or those kind of sites can deliver to my country, I've never done this before.

Thanks.

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a b B Homebuilt system
July 5, 2012 9:04:02 PM

what is the price difference on them because your only going to get real facts from people who are not intel fan boys i promise you that 90% people will say that the 8120 is a piece of *** but i own one and i don't think so... anyways whats the price differense andwhat kind of stuff will you be doing on this machine?
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July 5, 2012 9:26:09 PM

PanicMaster85 said:
what is the price difference on them because your only going to get real facts from people who are not intel fan boys i promise you that 90% people will say that the 8120 is a piece of *** but i own one and i don't think so... anyways whats the price differense andwhat kind of stuff will you be doing on this machine?

Hi,

i5 is $260
Fx is $183

Ask for another and I'll search for it's price.

I'll use this for software develop, (NET, Java, DBMS, ...) but I want a system that runs a lot of games (sc2, crysis2, farcry2) with no problems, I dont want to set all settings to low to play smoothly.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 5, 2012 9:36:46 PM

ok im no expert but look up the fx-8150 that's also nice and it's smack dab in the middle again people HATE it but I again think it will work for you by the way are you going to be doing a lot of multitasking? like writing script while watching a video and looking up issure fixes or something like that?
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July 5, 2012 9:40:51 PM

I would say that the i5 is a much more powerful processor, and most times you get what you pay for. If money is an issue than there is nothing wrong with the AMD processor. I have a phenom II 965 black that i bought for maybe 140 over a year ago and I can play most new games at top settings with an amd 6870 video card. BF 3 plays perfectly at the highest settings (minus top AA and AF settings). It isn't that the processor doesn't have a lot to do with gameplay but where we are at right now you don't need to get the best to play games like star craft. The i5 is great but if you'd rather throw the extra money into a better graphics card or more storage or whatever else you need.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 5, 2012 9:48:57 PM

yes i agree but what im asking him right now is that fx-8120(8150) are a lot better for multitasking because of all the extra cores.
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 5, 2012 11:15:52 PM

The 8120 is sufficient, honestly its the same CPU as the more expensive 8150, so if you're into overclocking, the 8120 direction I'd leap. If 260 for a 2500K is the cheapest price available where you are, and the 8120 is only 183. forget the 2500K, they're already overpriced in the US at $220.

You really should fill out this form here though:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 5, 2012 11:48:59 PM

FX8120 and get some good cooling and OC that bad boy.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 5, 2012 11:49:50 PM

I'm running it at 4.0 ghz. right now and this CPU is a beast.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 5, 2012 11:50:00 PM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
FX8120 and get some good cooling and OC that bad boy.

HELL YEA :p 

I get about 4ghz and im just on default setting nothing changed in bios :na: 
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 5, 2012 11:57:03 PM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
I'm running it at 4.0 ghz. right now and this CPU is a beast.

LOL Area, aren't you afraid of the fanboys? The OP I think chose a thread title that was probably the most provocative us forum geeks ever had here. :kaola: 
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 12:49:23 AM

nah don't worry im no fan boy I support Intell 100% im just saying I like the 8120 but the 8120 is better for multitasking and the 2500K is better for gaming but more expensive so I really don't know i'm just really liking my 8120 so far :p 
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 12:52:47 AM

the Bulldozer architecture is meant for overclocking and multitasking(hint the 8 cores :) )
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 1:06:31 AM

PanicMaster85 said:
nah don't worry im no fan boy I support Intell 100% im just saying I like the 8120 but the 8120 is better for multitasking and the 2500K is better for gaming but more expensive so I really don't know i'm just really liking my 8120 so far :p 

Intel just costs too much, especially in that situation 260 bucks? It may be a better CPU, but its not $80 better. Five Guys makes the best cheeseburgers in the world as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't mean $12 for a burger and fries isn't ridiculous. :heink: 
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 1:08:18 AM

agreed^
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 1:12:39 AM

Asus Sabertooth 990FX Mobo < great board using it also.
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:07:25 AM

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hmmm.... most of the replays are people who want to talk about AMD vs Intel, i am not a fanboy from AMD or Intel, the only thing i care about CPUs is their power,


*sigh* You have a swastika as your avatar, I'm not sure if that screams troll or jackass.

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, and AMD Bulldozer architecture is one of the IT industry biggest fail and sucks, it might be good for some people but there way better options, just look at the benchmarks:

Yes, you're 100% correct, Bulldozers are so bad, in fact you can't even boot into Windows7 with them. THEY REALLY ARE THAT BAD.

The OP said that the 2500K is $260 where he lives, I would assume in the absence of him not filling out the form, that hes probably not from the USA.

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The i5 beats the FX 8150 in almost everything and cost a bit more,

8120 per the OP costs $183 where he lives and $260 for the 2500K, sorry, but thats not a "bit" more. Please pay attention before jumping in head first, it would save us all a headache.

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plataform with a 5 3570k wich is about 10%-15%


No... its about 6% better than Sandy, do I really need to show you the benches on that? Or can you let your fingers do the walking?

Again, we have this "how to ask for new build advice" form which I asked the OP to fill out for a reason.. Why? So I don't have to waste my time recommending parts that may or may not be what the OP is looking for.


Edit, I'll save you the trouble.. Wheres your 10-15 percent?

http://vr-zone.com/articles/ivy-bridge-vs-sandy-bridge-...

With the exception of a couple synthetic benchmarks (who really cares about those), practical applications are hard pressed to break 5% improvement across the board. Games didn't even break a half a percent.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:10:41 AM

Sure but I think the reason people say it sucks so much is because AMD over advertised it... it's not as bad as they say it is I can game and watch a video with the same fps in the game as i would if i was not watching a video... now im not saying that the 2500k is bad im just saying that program scripting is normally a lot of multitasking and the 8120 and 8150 are very good for that
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a c 136 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:25:30 AM

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hmmm.... most of the replays are people who want to talk about AMD vs Intel, i am not a fanboy from AMD or Intel, the only thing i care about CPUs is their power, thats it, and AMD Bulldozer architecture is one of the IT industry biggest fail and sucks, it might be good for some people but there way better options, just look at the benchmarks:


FX 8150/ 3.6Ghz/ Eight cores/200$ vs i5 2500k/3.3Ghz/220$

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=288

The i5 beats the FX 8150 in almost everything and cost a bit more, i made you two builds based on a Z77 plataform with a 5 3570k wich is about 10%-15% faster than the i5 2500k so it will blow the FX 8150 out of the water abour 10%-15% harder than the i5 2500k



There are many situations where the FX 8150 out performs the 2500k and sometimes even the 2600k .Mostly encoding situations . There are other situations where the shared FPU in each FX module is a disadvantage .
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...


But as you say its about 10% cheaper , and 10% slower . That makes it fair value dont you think ?

And the future for FX looks quite bright . We already know that some of the performance difference is software . Windows 7 cant optimize core usage and that can trim more than 10% from its performance in some situations . Win 8 should fix this .
We also know that we are weeks away from the launch of the reworked piledriver cpu's . These are another 10-15% more powerful per clock than bulldozer .
Combine those two things and you will likely see the IB processors being out gunned in a fairly broad range of applications , followed by a major price slash by intel .

But back to the OP's question .
By all means go with AMD FX. Most people would never be able to tell the difference without benchmarking to prop up their prejudices . This is even true in gaming where the intel fanboys claim superiority based on cherry picked benchmarking set ups . The real world is quite different .
If you can wait I'd build the FX system but install a cheap place holder athlon or sempron for a few weeks till piledriver is released , if you cant then Bulldozer will be fine , and you have a whole new generation of processors to update to some time in the future
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:27:13 AM

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Most people would never be able to tell the difference without benchmarking to prop up their prejudices .


Thank you sir, very well said.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:29:39 AM

yeah so can you explain this pildrivers they sound cool but iv'e never heard of them... Do you know any details?

But for OP's quesion the FX is a nice chip(I really like it) it will work well for you because you want faming and scripting so go with the FX unlike what outlander said you want to wait for the pildrivers.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:29:48 AM

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The purpouse of this PC is, above all other options, productivity. I'm a software developer, I use VS2010, ExpressionBlend, MSSQL, PostgreSQL, Eclipse, Rad Studio XE, Unity. Not at the same time, of course. Also, I want to use 3 monitors, more space, more code, more tests.

then forget the 8120 and 2500k - you're going to have gamers argue over irrelevant details over your needs.

get
ASUS Z9NA-D6 ATX $299.99
and 2 of these:
Intel Xeon E5-2440 $849.99

if you do not have the budget for those, become an adult entertainer until you do.

case closed, please do the same with this thread.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:31:25 AM

sorry i mean unless* not unlike
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:32:57 AM

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So? do you any problem with that?


You mean do I have a problem with a person on a tech forum posting an avatar of a symbol that a nation used to commit the most infamous genocide in history? If I really have to answer that question, then.. You know what.. forget it, I'm not going there.

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idnt say they were bad, i said that bulldozer is considered one of the biggest fails in the IT industry wich is more than true.


You said it sucked, are we going to play semantics?

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i didnt know not filling out a form makes you a foreigner


Op edited his post :Country: México

See why it pays to pay attention? Both of the builds you recommended come in WAY over his budget.



Math is not my strong suit, but I find myself again wondering where the 10-15 percent is. Heres a hint, you use division.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:33:00 AM

Anonymous said:
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The purpouse of this PC is, above all other options, productivity. I'm a software developer, I use VS2010, ExpressionBlend, MSSQL, PostgreSQL, Eclipse, Rad Studio XE, Unity. Not at the same time, of course. Also, I want to use 3 monitors, more space, more code, more tests.

then forget the 8120 and 2500k - you're going to have gamers argue over irrelevant details over your needs.

get
ASUS Z9NA-D6 ATX $299.99
and 2 of these:
Intel Xeon E5-2440 $849.99

if you do not have the budget for those, become an adult entertainer until you do.

case closed, please do the same with this thread.



why would you give him these things if he says he wants a cpu thats 200 thats sounds a bit duchy to me
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:35:32 AM

BlackCath said:
Hi, I am about to build a PC. I'm a noob with processor, motherboard, well almost everything.

EDIT:

Approximate Purchase Date: This month or next
Budget Range: $600
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Software Development, DBMS, Gaming, Watching Movies
Parts Not Required: Case, Monitor, Hard Drive, Optical Drives, Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Any site that can deliver in México *
Country: México
Parts Preferences:
Overclocking: Not sure if needed
SLI or Crossfire: Maybe later
Monitor Resolution:
Additional Comments: There are no good dealers in Mexico, is hard to find a processor even at bestbuy.mx

The purpouse of this PC is, above all other options, productivity. I'm a software developer, I use VS2010, ExpressionBlend, MSSQL, PostgreSQL, Eclipse, Rad Studio XE, Unity. Not at the same time, of course. Also, I want to use 3 monitors, more space, more code, more tests.

But, sometimes, I'd like to play games, or watch movies. I don't want to play the latest game at full settings and high quality. It's not my objective. But I want something decent to enjoy a game like starcraft2 with good quality. I've read that is a good option to save a few bucks from the processor, and buy a better video card. Whicj video card do you recommend for me?

So, for my system, is good enough the FX 8120? Or should I go for the 2500K? Or another?

Any help with the motherboard will be very appreciated.

Note: I have a limited budget.

If you need more details. just ask.. :) 

* I'm not sure if Amazon, Microcenter or those kind of sites can deliver to my country, I've never done this before.

Thanks.


Thank you for updating us. Give me a few minutes and I'll see what I can do.
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a c 136 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:39:20 AM

PanicMaster85 said:
yeah so can you explain this pildrivers they sound cool but iv'e never heard of them... Do you know any details?

But for OP's quesion the FX is a nice chip(I really like it) it will work well for you because you want faming and scripting so go with the FX unlike what outlander said you want to wait for the pildrivers.



Pile driver is the updated version of FX

Its very similar but some aspects of the design have been tweaked .
Piledriver cores are already available in the new Trinity APU's that are replacing Llano . The performance is hands down better with the top of the range A10 outperforming the i3 2100 as a cpu and smashing all the intels graphically . Theres a review on the toms home page
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-...

Piledriver FX chips are scheduled for release in Q3 2012
Basically ..now or in a few weeks
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:44:10 AM

PanicMaster85 said:
why would you give him these things if he says he wants a cpu thats 200 thats sounds a bit duchy to me

"duchy" or not, it is spot on point.

the OP needs a system for an enterprise environment first and foremost. but everyone is going to focus on the gaming aspect of it and forget what is more important here: a tool to help a professional or a gamer who wants to cost effectively squeak out a few more frame rates when playing.

so when everyone is tossing up a BF3 benchmark, if they bother, i will be sitting here :pfff:  wondering where the SQL benchies are at.
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July 6, 2012 2:46:13 AM

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You mean do I have a problem with a person on a tech forum posting an avatar of a symbol that a nation used to commit the most infamous genocide in history? If I really have to answer that question, then.. You know what.. forget it, I'm not going there.


Learn about history first and then talk.


*** you, you ignorant prick. first off this is a computer forum not a nazi party forum. also please just stop visiting this site you are imbarassing yourself and saying that you are either a nazi or a nazi supporter just shut the hell up and get out... we don't need a ploitical debate in a techniqual forum!
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July 6, 2012 2:46:31 AM

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Math is not my strong suit, but I find myself again wondering where the 10-15 percent is. Heres a hint, you use division.

i can see that


Let me help you.

Overall 212/228 -9% (Hint: Thats not 10-15)

SysMark Office Productivity 9% (Hint: Thats not 10-15)

Media Creation: 9% (Get the idea yet? It goes on like that)

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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:48:07 AM

To the OP: (I know we're off track, don't worry Area51 is a mod and I'm sure he'll clean the thread up)

I'm sorry to say I don't think theres anything I can do in your budget that you'd really be happy with, messing around on Amazon, and Bestbuy, unless you have some other stores and are willing to translate for me but you're really looking to get into some serious enterprise level stuff and I just don't think $600 is gonna do it.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 2:50:19 AM

I agree with neku... and looniam :p 
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 3:40:28 AM

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lol, its funny you call me an ignorant because i was about to call you the same thing, and i am not a nazi i just like the logo :D 

Besides, the only one debating about politics its you, i havent said anything about it, and before you start posting the crap that the media have tought you about hitler, do a bit of research about who he was.

Maybe he killed millions of people but he was a great president, he loved animals and kids, he didnt drank or smoke, he was a great painter and he made a law to stop the unemployment and built over 12.000km of roads are in use today, there is no doubt that he started WWII, he was a racist and a lot of bad of things, but he stood for his belives and did what he tought was right, he did what a lot of people are afraid to do today because of the stupid society we live, again i repeat I AM NOT a nazi or anything like that, i just liked the avatar and unlike you, i do atleast a small research before i start talking about any topic

but you are right, this is a TECH forum, so lets talk about PC... if you dont mind :) 



ok
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 3:41:21 AM

PanicMaster85 said:
*** you, you ignorant prick. first off this is a computer forum not a nazi party forum. also please just stop visiting this site you are imbarassing yourself and saying that you are either a nazi or a nazi supporter just shut the hell up and get out... we don't need a ploitical debate in a techniqual forum!

Hes trolling, ignore him. If I told him I was Jewish he'd probably tell me how much Hitler helped to fight obesity in the Jewish bloodline. :sarcastic: 
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July 6, 2012 3:51:32 AM

Hes trolling, ignore him. If I told him I was Jewish he'd probably tell me how much Hitler helped to fight obesity in the Jewish bloodline. :sarcastic: said:
Hes trolling, ignore him. If I told him I was Jewish he'd probably tell me how much Hitler helped to fight obesity in the Jewish bloodline. :sarcastic: 


hahaha well put :lol: 
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 4:01:21 AM

...CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD... NOW!!!!!
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 8:41:19 AM

Majority of your work seems to utilize multiple threads, so the FX 8120 seems fit for the job, and it also has gaming capabilities.

However, Starcraft II only utilizes 2 threads, so some powerful cores will be essential. I'm unsure on how FX 8120 will perform in SCII (there's a lot of argument that the FX cores have low IPC and truly shine in applications that use many more threads). That, you'll need someone who plays the game with the same CPU to find out about performance.

Finding a dealer in Mexico is the hard part. Some US dealers might provide internnational shipping, but with several guidelines. I'll do the best I can to find one.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 8:57:45 AM

Well, at least it is playable. BlackCath's priorities come before gaming, so it shouldn't be all too bad.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 9:22:08 AM

ah, at the risk of poking a sleeping dog; this thread quieted down; all the applications are single threaded and that leans towards *cough*intel*cough*

ok, i am off beating a few n00bs over the head . . . one may start crying.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 9:40:41 AM

Anonymous said:
ah, at the risk of poking a sleeping dog; this thread quieted down; all the applications are single threaded and that leans towards *cough*intel*cough*

ok, i am off beating a few n00bs over the head . . . one may start crying.

Are you sure? I'm curious.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 9:48:15 AM

yes. they, or at least what i grunted through the web looking at, love clock speed.
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 4:27:33 PM

Anonymous said:
ah, at the risk of poking a sleeping dog; this thread quieted down; all the applications are single threaded and that leans towards *cough*intel*cough*

ok, i am off beating a few n00bs over the head . . . one may start crying.

hahahah... dude you should visit the thread i started that *** got locked by a moderator :na:  the thread is "will a fx-8120 bottleneck hd 6850 crossfire" in cpu section! :) 
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a b B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 4:29:14 PM

neku was there and he got in a giant argument with that 8 year old or something :na:  nice job on that by the way neku I was impressed. :) 

sad the thread had to be closed though :( 
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July 6, 2012 11:34:35 PM

nekulturny said:
To the OP: (I know we're off track, don't worry Area51 is a mod and I'm sure he'll clean the thread up)

I'm sorry to say I don't think theres anything I can do in your budget that you'd really be happy with, messing around on Amazon, and Bestbuy, unless you have some other stores and are willing to translate for me but you're really looking to get into some serious enterprise level stuff and I just don't think $600 is gonna do it.


Hi, thanks for your time, I know is a difficult budget. I think the best option is updating from time to time. Now, $600 are only for Mobo and Processor, after a time i'll get ram, monitors, gpu, .... I'll save many parts from another PC (case, keyboard, optical drives).

I've asked to people about this, gamers says that a development systems does not work for games. And develop people says that a gamer systems does not work for develop. I'm looking for something in the middle. Not to build a server, or pro gaming pc.

Once again, thanks!
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 6, 2012 11:40:00 PM

Oh I see, if 600 for the mobo and CPU is all you need. That is perfectly doable. I think if you went with something like an i7-2600K, 2700K or 3770K this would give you what you're looking for as far as something in the middle. And pair this up with a Z68 or Z77 motherboard. Now I would be shopping around, surely there is some place in Mexico you can get these products without paying way more. Its not like you live on an Island somewhere like Gilligan, its Mexico for crying out loud.

Mobo-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Now that motherboard is actually more expensive than you need, but its a very high quality board with a 5 year warranty. You could go much cheaper if you wanted.

Something like this might be more budget-minded
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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