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November 15, 2012 6:17:59 AM

About your title, they might, they might not, the bulldozer held them back a lot probably because it was a new design and now they are slowly improving.

And by the way your link doesn't work (page not found).
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November 15, 2012 6:19:36 AM

Not particularly. Last time AMD was around $2 per share, they jumped by $10 per share in less than a year. With AMD now making tablet CPUs, their increasing market share in the still growing laptop/netbook(not so much netbook, but w/e)/ultrabook markets, their still doing well graphics markets, improving server/super computer market (that *new* super computer with about 49,000 Opterons had to have helped a little), and more, they can rebound again, especially with how good Steamroller is set to turn out to be since it's alleviating the front-end bottle-neck of the Bulldozer and Piledriver architectures.

Also, your link is broken.
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November 15, 2012 6:23:08 AM

amuffin said:
Stop.

What do you mean "Stop."?
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November 15, 2012 6:23:37 AM

Stop.
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November 15, 2012 6:25:17 AM

That link's from 2007, lol. AMD has succeeded Nvidia in the fastest graphics card in the world (7970 GHx Edition and 7990/7970X2) and although it's not stellar, Piledriver is at least competitive with Intel in many markets. Will AMD ever have the best CPU again? Maybe not, but they'll probably continue to be competitive with a few rough patches here or there.
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November 15, 2012 6:25:48 AM

melikepie said:
What do you mean "Stop."?

Stop creating all of these threads....
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November 15, 2012 6:26:17 AM

blazorthon said:
That link's from 2007, lol. AMD has succeeded Nvidia in the fastest graphics card in the world (7970 GHx Edition and 7990/7970X2) and although it's not stellar, Piledriver is at least competitive with Intel in many markets.

No, NVIDIA has the GTX 690.
Well that and I think my pie broke while I was teaching my llama to drive.
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November 15, 2012 6:26:50 AM

amuffin said:
Stop creating all of these threads....

I was gonna stop but then I took an arrow to the knee.
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November 15, 2012 6:27:36 AM

melikepie said:
No, NVIDIA has the GTX 690.
Well that and I think my pie broke while I was teaching my llama to drive.


Tom's demonstrated that the 690 is not quite as fast as the 7990s overall :p  Also that it's an overall inferior card thanks to its crap power efficiency, but it's still faster. A lose in my book as the card, but I will not ignore its performance win despite disliking the card.
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November 15, 2012 6:29:47 AM

LOL :-) If AMD's next lineup improves on Piledriver as well as Piledriver improved on Bulldozer, and if Intel's next lineup improves on Ivy Bridge as much as Ivy Bridge improved on Sandy Bridge, they'll have some genuinely competitive options. Intel might make a bit more effort now though after seeing how much of an improvement Piledriver was. Let's hope so anyway.
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November 15, 2012 6:30:57 AM

sam_p_lay said:
LOL :-) If AMD's next lineup improves on Piledriver as well as Piledriver improved on Bulldozer, and if Intel's next lineup improves on Ivy Bridge as much as Ivy Bridge improved on Sandy Bridge, they'll have some genuinely competitive options. Intel might make a bit more effort now though after seeing how much of an improvement Piledriver was. Let's hope so anyway.


Now if only AMD would fix their crap cache... Then, they could really surprise Intel.
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November 15, 2012 6:34:06 AM

I have faith in AMD, they'll certainly come out as champions...
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November 15, 2012 6:52:59 AM

It doesn't really matter who is on top, as long as there is genuine competition. Intel have demonstrated time and again that they're capable of massive advances in performance, but will only bother if pushed by the competition. I think the K6-2, Athlon (originals) and especially Athlon XP, Athlon 64 and Athlon 64 X2 really took Intel by surprise and made them realise that they'll fall behind if all they're going to do is bump up clock speeds and refine the lithography.

Now they're wanting to have plenty of ideas up their sleeves (and according to interviews with anon Intel engineers, they really do), but won't invest in developing, manufacturing and marketing those ideas unless they absolutely have to. Intel also invest a colossal amount of development time into testing and it's a major financial investment. Intel are hardly strapped for cash, but I guess you can never have too much money :-)
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November 15, 2012 8:04:13 AM

u cannot judge some one to be perfect neither intel or amd they both are good brand
as compared to price performance ratio just those who using amd they say amd and those who using intel they say intel is winner this is not true intel came before then amd so they have more experience in design the cpu as amd is new in the market and very good compete with intel since future will tell us which one is best intel inside or future is fusion amd u cant judge they both are good
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November 15, 2012 8:05:14 AM

AMD is about as old as Intel... They're not even remotely new to CPUs.
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November 15, 2012 8:06:05 AM

just intel is one year old from amd may 1 1969 amd fas founded
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November 15, 2012 8:10:26 AM

Age of two companies, especially when they're both about the same age and both very old in the industry, is not really important. Intel doesn't have more experience or anything like that; Intel simply has more money and knows how to spend it.
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November 15, 2012 8:13:21 AM

that means intel have good management system as compared to amd they using efficiency and amd using effectiveness
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November 15, 2012 12:23:40 PM

monu_08 said:
that means intel have good management system as compared to amd they using efficiency and amd using effectiveness


Intel used anti-competitive practices such as paying companies to not use any AMD CPUs to get where they are. I guess that can be called "good management".
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November 16, 2012 4:04:52 PM

blazorthon said:
Not particularly. Last time AMD was around $2 per share, they jumped by $10 per share in less than a year. With AMD now making tablet CPUs, their increasing market share in the still growing laptop/netbook(not so much netbook, but w/e)/ultrabook markets, their still doing well graphics markets, improving server/super computer market (that *new* super computer with about 49,000 Opterons had to have helped a little), and more, they can rebound again, especially with how good Steamroller is set to turn out to be since it's alleviating the front-end bottle-neck of the Bulldozer and Piledriver architectures.


All things considered, there's a pretty good chance Steamroller will never see the light of day. Piledriver and Trinity 1.1 will be the high-end CPUs from AMD probably for the next 2 years according to S/A, TR, etc.

With AMD's revenue down an incredible $1.072 billion from 2 years ago, they are experiencing a big cash crunch right now, so I'm expecting them to announce yet another round of layoffs during the Q4 earnings conference sometime in January. And I would not be surprised to see them go under by this time next year. They are already exploring options with one of the big financiers..
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November 17, 2012 5:28:52 AM

probably amd has now have tough time with there brand and technology /money too
i hope it will not affect the upcoming upgrade of cpu and bios for amd users because i also using an fx 8150
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November 17, 2012 10:58:23 PM

Well, AMD was a copy of Intel.
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November 18, 2012 12:20:42 AM

"Let’s hope that AMD’s fortunes in 2008 change for the better because as an industry we need AMD to continue to innovate and deliver great choice to consumers."

This is one hell of an old article to go trolling with.

Remember too that AMD have since offloaded their manufacturing process. We are currently experiencing a very deep cash cruch, commonly referred to as the "GFC,"you might have heard about it. And it also ignores the global trend away from PC's to hand held devices.

On top of that AMD is in the midst of this environment establishing it's own platform and has very different end goals from that of Intel. If there is aproblem with the power and functionallity with AMD hardware, I say, bring it on, 'cause, as extensive, no, an exlusive user of their parts, I haven't noticed any deficiences in them at all.

My biggest problem is to find logic to justify upgrading, which is probably the main reason why AMD seems to have shot itself in the foot...ie too good, too compatible, too cheap, and all too easy to upgrade.

Heres an example of a 9 year old AMD DELL laptop of all things, that I purchased for my son to complete his schooling with, and it was second hand then...it was a Sempron originally....

Hi Dad,

Thought i'd just send through the progress of my last upgrade.
I've put the new ssd/hybrid 750gb momentus, 8gb of 800mhz ddr2, internal blu-ray burner and windows 7 x64 on the laptop.
Even the USB 3 installs with windows 7 x64 without the driver disk.
All running fine and much faster...

....now that's impressive.

overall WEI 3.0

HDD = 5.9
RAM = 5.8
CPU = 5.2
ATI Radeon Express = 3.0 (only untouched item, but can also be upgraded and is looking into it.)
Aaron
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November 18, 2012 12:34:32 AM

Forgot to specifically say that the Sempron 1.8 GHz CPU was replaced with a Turion 2.3 GHz X2.
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November 18, 2012 12:37:29 AM

I'm going to say there is a chance AMD will be back on the top, maybe it will be brief or maybe a long time. Either way just for you I'm going to build a time machine and bring back a 100ghz 16 core CPU from AMD and give it to you :lol: 
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November 18, 2012 1:17:59 AM

Getting real tired of seeing these threads...
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November 18, 2012 2:06:52 AM

socialfox said:
I'm going to say there is a chance AMD will be back on the top, maybe it will be brief or maybe a long time. Either way just for you I'm going to build a time machine and bring back a 100ghz 16 core CPU from AMD and give it to you :lol: 



..if it will plug straight into my AM3 mobo, we can cut a deal..... :D 
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November 18, 2012 2:18:43 AM

Novuake said:
Getting real tired of seeing these threads...



...but not too tired to post :??: 
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November 18, 2012 2:51:48 AM

harna said:
...but not too tired to post :??: 


Or read for that matter. OCD to read every single damn post.... LOL
Shoot me :cry: 
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November 18, 2012 8:12:31 AM

He means ages ago, when intel made CPUs, AMD came in and made the same thing but cheaper and with lower performance, obviously they stopped when they made the Athlon.
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November 18, 2012 8:48:12 AM

Intel moved off of socket 7 to slot 1, with patents, thereby leaving their main competitors Cyrix and AMD on the aging platform. AMD plodded on to 550MHz K62/3 before getting their own proprietory Slot A (Athlon) platform up.

Cyrix dropped off after this and was purchased by Via Technologies. Luckily for AMD that the new Athlon out-performed Intel's flagship PIII processor pound for pound and beat it past the 1.0GHz mark which is the Athlons real claim to fame.

Today of course AMD comes with hardware accelerated graphics as standard. The CPU performance difference has no real world benefit other than some specialized software where some order of execution speed might be advantageous. However the lack of an adequate Intel GPU does have real consequences for the end user/developer and greatly adds to the expense of building an overall equally capable pc and less efficient software.

So IMO we should be giving more stick to Intel in order to get them to provide a better overall solution.
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