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July 6, 2012 6:18:13 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next few days

Budget Range: $800

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming (BF3, Diablo 3, MW3, etc)

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, monitor, mouse, main peripherals

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg and Amazon

Country: United States

Parts Preferences: No real preferance. I like Asus but if there are cheaper parts with the same stats, then I'm fine with it.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe (depends on price)

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: I've already started compiling parts that I've deemed as "good." To my dismay, I have found out that most are 6-7 months old and there are newer models.

New Build (maybe Final)

Motherboard: (ATX Intel z77) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics: (Radeon 7850) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor: (i5-3570k Ivy Bridge) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: (Rosewill, comes with 3 fans- will it all fit?) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply: (Modular 700w) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive: (Cheap 500gb 7200 RPM) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: (8 gigs DDR3 1600) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooling: (Highly rated cooing system) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(if I am missing anything please let me know)

I am very new to this so please, any information will help tremendously! Also, if there are "newer" versions of any of the pieces I have posted please let me know. Thanks!










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July 6, 2012 7:07:22 AM

Never seen a micro center - I live in Tampa Florida :( 

I have Windows 7 already. Not sure about sharing software on these forums. But yeah I have it via school for $15.

I just need people to review the parts that I have listed or offer a better part to replace any of the components (and explanation too if possible).

I'm a noob at this, this is basically my first PC I'm building, I've always had a laptop.

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July 6, 2012 7:43:32 AM

NP, I always ask about Microcenter because they have fantastic CPU/motherboard combo deals (saves $50+ over anywhere else). No big deal.

Your build is very solid as is, my only suggestion is to change the PSU. Since your motherboard supports only a single card, 700w is overkill with a 7850. Your system under full load will hit about 300w; a 450w-500w PSU will be more than the system will ever need, with room for expansion. Also, OCZ's ModX PSU's are made by Sirtec, which are decent but not fantastic.

Seasonic's PSU's are some of the best around (many other companies' best PSU's are made by Seasonic as well - Antec, Corsair, XFX, etc).

Here's a 520w 80+ bronze modular Seasonic for cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Have fun!
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July 6, 2012 7:53:19 AM

Hi thanks for the response! I got the 700w power supply cause it was cheap when i got it. It was 89.99 with 15% off and 30 dollar rebate.

Will it hurt having a 700w PSU? Like "over" powering it all?
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July 6, 2012 9:32:09 AM

A PSU will only deliver as much power as the PC needs, so "over-powering" the PC never happens.

However, PSU's have a maximum efficiency window of 50-75% usage. That is, a PSU is most efficient when it's supplying between 50% and 75% of it's rated wattage. A 700w PSU is most efficient when it is delivering between 350 and 563 watts. Since your system would only draw 300w at full load (and 125w while idle), it will never be in that window. The 520w's window is 260-390w, which your PC will be in much more often, while still leaving room for expansion.

Every PSU loses some wattage as heat between drawing power from the wall and converting it for the PC to use. "80 Plus" rated PSU's are designed to be more efficient with power conversion. An 80 plus Bronze PSU is at least 85% efficient when usage is in that 50-75% window; If the PC needs 300 watts, an 80 plus bronze PSU in it's max efficiency window would need 353 watts from the wall socket).

Sorry for being long-winded. Hope that helps!
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July 6, 2012 9:47:47 AM

Also - changing hard drive to an SSD:

OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

If anyone h as any information about this SSD please let me know. Also if there is an "updated" one since this one is a "best of 2011" but for around the same price. THanks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-227-...
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July 6, 2012 10:13:08 AM

That's a great deal on the SSD!

If you're going without a traditional hard drive, keep in mind you'll be limited on how many games will fit. Formatting and reserved cells (for ssd reliability) will limit the usable capacity to 111gb. Windows will need ~40gb, and new, triple-a games average 10gb per game. Some games use much more (Rage clocked in at 30gb). SSD's also slow down as they fill up, though that's less of a problem with synchronous NAND (the kind that's in the vertex 3) than asynchronous. I don't mean to frighten you; even a nearly full ssd is still a lot faster than a mechanical drive.

good luck!
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July 6, 2012 11:57:15 AM

I'd reccommend getting a mechanical drive in addition to the ssd
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July 6, 2012 3:23:38 PM

Yeah that's what I've too about storage. So if I also get an hdd, will it run just as fast with the sdd? Do I need to put games and windows 7 in the sdd as compared to using the hdd as the main source for storage? How does it work with an sdd AND.an hdd?

Also, I purchased the processor, case, and graphics card last night! Oh happy day :) 
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July 6, 2012 3:28:28 PM

the basic idea is you put your Operating system and Most used programs on the SSD, larger or lesser used programs, pictures, audio and video file son the main storage.
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July 6, 2012 3:40:29 PM

I see! Thanks for the reply. Also, any thoughts on my build! Replacements? Changes? Additions?
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July 6, 2012 5:04:16 PM

supafongboon said:
I see! Thanks for the reply. Also, any thoughts on my build! Replacements? Changes? Additions?


Since you have a z77 motherboard, one cheaper option than a 120gb ssd + hard drive is to get a small ssd (64gb or less) and use it as a cache for a mechanical hard drive.

This of course isn't as fast as having your OS and programs directly on an SSD, but as the cache learns which files are accessed most often, it becomes conisderably faster than a HDD by itself. This also overcomes the space limitations of ssd's; you can put everything on the mechanical hard drive as normal. "Hybrid" drives that are being made now are the same thing in one package.

Here's a helpful guide on setting up ssd caching
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=684...
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July 6, 2012 5:40:06 PM

I see. The 120gig sdd is only 80 after rebates, is that a good deal? Ive seen some 60g sdd sell for around 60 so I was going to get the 120 due to price and storage.

Is the sdd significantly faster than hdd? Ive seen the load times for random games and applications on YouTube and it's around 30% faster. Would I be better off with a 500gb hdd? I play a lot of video games such as HON, dots 2, wow, bf3.

Would sdd help those?
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July 6, 2012 5:48:58 PM

In an $800 build, I would forego the ssd entirely. It only affects load times and not in-game performance.

Since the majority of the games you mentioned are multiplayer, It'll help even less - the round/raid/etc doesn't start until everyone is there anyway; you'd just be loaded and waiting on the people without ssd's. :) 
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July 6, 2012 5:51:26 PM

I see. I probably will do the 500gb hdd then. It's possible to add an sdd afterwards right?
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July 6, 2012 5:57:35 PM

So if I were to get an sdd, i would put my games on it instead of the hdd? Music, photos, movies go on hdd. Also, do I put my browser on sdd? Does it even make a significant difference for browsers, online videos, streaming, etc?
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July 6, 2012 6:10:31 PM

Browsers don't take up much room, they're fine to go on the ssd. Your OS, games, and any other programs you use often would go on the ssd.

You can always add an ssd later, but ssd's take some finesse to install properly. Here's a guide to give you some idea.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-inst...
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July 6, 2012 7:52:09 PM

Best answer selected by supafongboon.
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July 6, 2012 8:55:12 PM

Hey potential huge problem.

I purchased this PSU. The title says "sandybridge" and at first I was going to get a sandy bridge but ended up with an ivy bridge (i5 3570). Will this PSU still work????

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-341-...

I know that ivy bridges are just updated versions of sandys. Just not sure if it requires their own separate PSUs.

I already purchased everything, besides reading the manual, anyone have a good "Recent" video that shows the ins and outs of building the PC?
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July 6, 2012 9:02:34 PM

That PSU will work perfectly :) . 99% of PSU's currently made will work with any Intel or AMD desktop chipset chipset made in the last 10 years or so.
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July 7, 2012 4:56:20 AM

Oh wow thank you so much, that's awesome. I was about to look up stuff like this :) 
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