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July 7, 2012 5:16:23 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Maybe like around this month or next month

Budget Range: 300$ or less

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Surfing Net, (Pretty much it)

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers, Monitor, and OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Parts must only be from Amazon

Country:I live in USA

Parts Preferences: AMD Quad Core(or 6 core) processor

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: (Idk what this is)

Monitor Resolution: (doesn't matter)

Additional Comments: I know 300 limit is very little but I want to see what 300 can build. PC needs to be under 300 and parts must be from Amazon only. I really want a quad core processor :)  I want to build this pc for temporary right now then upgrade later. I want to play Continent of the Ninth on normal or max settings. And other games like cod black ops at normal high or max or other high graphic games.

I'm thinking about getting this case already
http://www.amazon.com/LOGISYS-CS301BK-Black-Tower-suppl...
It comes with fan and power supply so this knocks off 40 bucks from the 300$ limit so theres 260 left.

Then I was thinking of getting this quad core processor http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B005UBNL0A/ref=s... for 100$ used.

so there's 160$ left for the other stuff. Feel free to change these 2 items if you have better suggestions.

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July 7, 2012 6:23:23 AM

Bump? Can anyone help me?
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July 7, 2012 8:45:56 AM

most case PSU combos are crap. the PSU is not 480W and doesn't have good track record. The coolermaster Case/PSU combo below is a few notches up from the one you picked. your budget is too tight for a discrete GPU, so you have to run on the intergrated graphics until you can save up some more money. I was $5 over your budget, but you got a quad core and a descent HDD

HDD $65
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Cache-Desk...
Optical $17
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR...
RAM $25
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-240-pin-Server-Memory-CMV...
MB $55
http://www.amazon.com/MSI-A55M-P33-FM1-Micro-Motherboar...
CPU $85
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A6-3670K-Graphics-Quad-Core-P...
Case and PSU $58
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-RC350-KKR500-...
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$305


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July 7, 2012 7:12:33 PM

Thanks for the build! I found my own build yesterday, I just found way cheaper parts and upgraded the RAM, tell me what you think of it. Also, what's wrong with the case I chose? I like it better because it has flashy lights :) 


Here's my build, I got the more expensive processor and a better motherboard and I found a really cheap used hard drive for only 28$ and then I found a really cheap 8gb ram stick

AMD A8-3850 APU Quad-Core Processor: $108.99
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A8-3850-Quad-Core-Processor-A...

ASRock MB-A75MHVS Socket FM1: $64.99
http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-A75MHVS-Socket-USB3-0-M...

Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive: $16.99
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR...

Seagate DB35.2 160GB SATA/300 7200RPM 2MB Hard Drive: $27.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004FWF0YU/ref=d...

Komputerbay 8GB (2x 4GB) DDR3 SODIMM (204 pin) 1333Mhz: $36.00
http://www.amazon.com/Komputerbay-SODIMM-1333Mhz-10600-...

Cooler Master Cooler Master Elite 430 Mid Tower: 41.98
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003O8J11E/sr=8-1/qid=...

what kind of games will this pc be able to play and at what graphics? Also, how good is the integrated graphics card compared with all the other 100$ graphics cards.
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July 7, 2012 9:39:12 PM

romeodakins said:
Thanks for the build! I found my own build yesterday, I just found way cheaper parts and upgraded the RAM, tell me what you think of it. Also, what's wrong with the case I chose? I like it better because it has flashy lights :) 
what kind of games will this pc be able to play and at what graphics? Also, how good is the integrated graphics card compared with all the other 100$ graphics cards.


Ram is NOT compatible with the mb. its a 204 SODIMM- for a laptop

you are missing a power supply... that case doesn't have one

the HDD is SLOW and old

APU and CPU graphic are bad. you can play some strategy games, but not first person shooters. you need $110-130 for decent GPU (HDD 7770/6770 or a GTX 560se/550t). $65-75 will get you a GPU that will play on low presets on most games.

This the big brother of that chip you listed (both have the same graphics) and it can't manage playable frame rates in BF3 at the lowest settings, but it would be playable on skyrim.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g620-amd-a8...

Use the build I posted. it all works and is a good baseline for you. save up for a Graphics card.
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July 7, 2012 11:26:51 PM

Your build has basically the same cpu and gpu though so how is it better? And what do you mean by the HDD is slow, is it slow to transfer files or something? I don't really mind, or do you mean it's slow like makes the computer slow? And here's a different case I think is better :)  I didn't see that it didn't have a power supply. How about this case?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YDZIB6/ref=ox_sc_a...

It's cheaper than 50 bucks and looks very nice, it also has 500 watt power supply.
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July 8, 2012 12:03:03 AM

romeodakins said:


what kind of games will this pc be able to play and at what graphics? Also, how good is the integrated graphics card compared with all the other 100$ graphics cards.


You can crossfire your A8-3850's integrated graphics (6550D) with a dedicated graphics card (eg. HD 6670)....works out to HD 6690D2. More info here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a8-3850-llano,2...

For anything faster than a HD 6670, just use the dedicated graphics card (over the integrated graphics).

Dave
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July 8, 2012 3:26:40 AM

DavidY said:
You can crossfire your A8-3850's integrated graphics (6550D) with a dedicated graphics card (eg. HD 6670)....works out to HD 6690D2. More info here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a8-3850-llano,2...

For anything faster than a HD 6670, just use the dedicated graphics card (over the integrated graphics).

Dave

When you crossfire does it replace your weak card with the newer one or do they combine to a strong card?
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July 8, 2012 3:54:24 AM

Crossfire on the A8-3850 means basically that the integrated and dedicated graphics combine to make it slightly faster than the dedicated graphics alone. If you use a HD 6670 with the integrated 6550D , the crossfire result is HD 6690D2.

Dave
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July 8, 2012 4:01:44 AM

Why only Amazon? haha a little curious
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July 8, 2012 5:49:56 AM

guerrero said:
Why only Amazon? haha a little curious

I have all my money on amazon gift card balance so I can't buy from anywhere else.

I changed the case to a different one with 500watts and got the correct desktop ram. I also got the slightly better amd processor and its also 4 bucks cheaper because amazon has a deal.

AMD A8-3870K APU with AMD Radeon 6550 HD Graphics: $104.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006J420UE/ref=ox_sc_a...

e_3?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

ASRock MB-A75MHVS Socket FM1: $64.99
http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-A75MHVS-Socket-USB3-0-

Motherboard/dp/B0058HBO46/ref=sr_1_1?

ie=UTF8&qid=1341645511&sr=8-1&keywords=ASRock+MB-A75MHVS

+Socket+FM1

Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive: $16.99
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR...

24B1ST/dp/B0033Z2BAQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341645532&sr=8-

1&keywords=DVD+Drive

Seagate DB35.2 160GB SATA/300 7200RPM 2MB Hard Drive: $27.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-

listing/B004FWF0YU/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

PNY Optima 8 GB (2 x 4 GB): $39.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004DHNAGM/ref=ox_sc_a...

e_2?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Ark Technology PA-08 Black ATX Mid Tower: 46.98
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YDZIB6/ref=ox_sc_a...

e_7?ie=UTF8&m=A364K5Y86J4MV2

Grand Total: 301.93

Would this pc be better then this prebuilt pc? http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0068XUH10/ref=d...
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July 8, 2012 7:55:26 AM

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Would this pc be better then this prebuilt pc? http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0068XUH10/ref=d...
No

if you are ok with slow loads, then the HDD is fine, I found a better HDD that is NEW not used, see below.

the ram is compatible, but you only need 2x2G. having 2x4GB won't increase the performance and is unnecessary in a tight budget build.. Put the saved money toward a better Case/PSU.
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-240-pin-Server-Memory-CMV...

the more powerful CPU is not a good choice in a budget system such as this. the A6 saves you $20 which can be put toward a case/PSU combo that will be reliable.

CASE:
Ark Technology PA-08 Black ATX Mid Tower: 46.98
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YDZIB6/ref=ox_sc_a...
the PSU is not a good buy. it only has a 14A 12v rail and no PCIe cable for a future Graphic card.
here is what newegg had to say about it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this case has a good PSU (for a combo) is has a PCIe 6pin connector for a future graphics card. it has a small window and a blue LED fan... a little bling bling for you.
its $71

http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Black-Edition-VL84521...
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model_gallery.aspx?...

Revised build:
I found a better HDD for you and used your pick for a MB (it has usb 3.0 and sata6) Used the A6 APU (a better choice on a budget)

ODD $17
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR...
CPU $85
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A6-3670K-Graphics-Quad-Core-P...
MB $65
http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-A75MHVS-Socket-USB3-0-M...
RAM $25
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-240-pin-Server-Memory-CMV...
HDD new 250GB 8MB Buffer 7200rpm SATA6G $35
http://www.amazon.com/Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-Bare-...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004FWF0YU/ref=d...
Case/PSU $71
http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Black-Edition-VL84521...
4 pin to 8 pin eps/cpu adapter cable $3 (for motherboard)
http://www.amazon.com/Male-Female-Power-Cable-Adapter/d...
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July 8, 2012 8:45:47 AM

jerreddredd said:
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Would this pc be better then this prebuilt pc? http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0068XUH10/ref=d...
No

if you are ok with slow loads, then the HDD is fine, I found a better HDD that is NEW not used, see below.

the ram is compatible, but you only need 2x2G. having 2x4GB won't increase the performance and is unnecessary in a tight budget build.. Put the saved money toward a better Case/PSU.
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-240-pin-Server-Memory-CMV...

the more powerful CPU is not a good choice in a budget system such as this. the A6 saves you $20 which can be put toward a case/PSU combo that will be reliable.

CASE:
Ark Technology PA-08 Black ATX Mid Tower: 46.98
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YDZIB6/ref=ox_sc_a...
the PSU is not a good buy. it only has a 14A 12v rail and no PCIe cable for a future Graphic card.
here is what newegg had to say about it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this case has a good PSU (for a combo) is has a PCIe 6pin connector for a future graphics card. it has a small window and a blue LED fan... a little bling bling for you.
its $71

http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Black-Edition-VL84521...
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model_gallery.aspx?...

Revised build:
I found a better HDD for you and used your pick for a MB (it has usb 3.0 and sata6) Used the A6 APU (a better choice on a budget)

ODD $17
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR...
CPU $85
http://www.amazon.com/AMD-A6-3670K-Graphics-Quad-Core-P...
MB $65
http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-A75MHVS-Socket-USB3-0-M...
RAM $25
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-240-pin-Server-Memory-CMV...
HDD new 250GB 8MB Buffer 7200rpm SATA6G $35
http://www.amazon.com/Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-Bare-...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004FWF0YU/ref=d...
Case/PSU $71
http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Black-Edition-VL84521...
4 pin to 8 pin eps/cpu adapter cable $3 (for motherboard)
http://www.amazon.com/Male-Female-Power-Cable-Adapter/d...
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$301

Thanks! Why would a weaker cpu be better? Also what games would this build be able to play?
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July 8, 2012 10:33:11 AM

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[Thanks! Why would a weaker cpu be better? Also what games would this build be able to play?

its all about the budget. A better APU on a system like this gains you little ~3-5 FPS. it still won't play modern first person shooters. older ones like CounterStrike or Half-life (original not 2) and or 3rd person RPG's like Diablo III (on low settings) yes. you can play some games like dirt 3 on low settings also. for anything eye appeasing you will need separate GPU. to play newer FPS you will need a ~$110-130 GPU to do that.

The idea in my build is to set you up to have a good baseline to add that GPU in the future (you need a good PSU). the APU graphics on either the A6 or A8 will only play basic games that don't have a lot of eye candy and moving graphics. the A6, priced at $85 is a steal. you can look on ebay for someone that has upgraded their GPU and are selling off their older HD 5770 or GTX 460. you might fine a good deal for around $50-75 on one.

also if you don't like the case if selected, i found a good cheap psu for $30 (see below). Just put it with a case you like. even the first one you picked, just replace the PSU.

Best cheap PSU I could find. it has good power on the 12v rails and a PCIe 6 pin connector for a GPU. its not 80+ certified, but its only $30. put it with whatever case you like. you won't need the atx 4 pin to 8 pin adapter cable either, the psu already comes equiped.
Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460-...

Cases with some bling
best choice under $50 is the Z9+
http://www.amazon.com/Z9-Plus-Atx-Mid-Tower/dp/B004I44G...

http://www.amazon.com/Raidmax-ATX-248NWB-Case-Cases/dp/...

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Window-RC-430...

http://www.amazon.com/Raidmax-Altas-Tower-Case-ATX-295W...
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July 8, 2012 2:22:27 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
the apu actually will be fine for gaming at 1600x900 or less at low/medium settings, INCLUDING BF3.

Watched the BF3; it wasn't bad until the action started, then FPS dropped below 30 and it got choppy.

My comments on the Gaming ability of the APU were designed to manage expectations. the builds above being a baseline for the OP to add a GPU later. bottom line - the APU can game on low sometimes medium settings at low resolutions, but it ain't gonna be pretty.
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July 8, 2012 5:44:46 PM

jerreddredd said:
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[Thanks! Why would a weaker cpu be better? Also what games would this build be able to play?

its all about the budget. A better APU on a system like this gains you little ~3-5 FPS. it still won't play modern first person shooters. older ones like CounterStrike or Half-life (original not 2) and or 3rd person RPG's like Diablo III (on low settings) yes. you can play some games like dirt 3 on low settings also. for anything eye appeasing you will need separate GPU. to play newer FPS you will need a ~$110-130 GPU to do that.

The idea in my build is to set you up to have a good baseline to add that GPU in the future (you need a good PSU). the APU graphics on either the A6 or A8 will only play basic games that don't have a lot of eye candy and moving graphics. the A6, priced at $85 is a steal. you can look on ebay for someone that has upgraded their GPU and are selling off their older HD 5770 or GTX 460. you might fine a good deal for around $50-75 on one.

also if you don't like the case if selected, i found a good cheap psu for $30 (see below). Just put it with a case you like. even the first one you picked, just replace the PSU.

Best cheap PSU I could find. it has good power on the 12v rails and a PCIe 6 pin connector for a GPU. its not 80+ certified, but its only $30. put it with whatever case you like. you won't need the atx 4 pin to 8 pin adapter cable either, the psu already comes equiped.
Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460-...

Cases with some bling
best choice under $50 is the Z9+
http://www.amazon.com/Z9-Plus-Atx-Mid-Tower/dp/B004I44G...

http://www.amazon.com/Raidmax-ATX-248NWB-Case-Cases/dp/...

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Window-RC-430...

http://www.amazon.com/Raidmax-Altas-Tower-Case-ATX-295W...

Why do I need a new case? I really don't want to spend over 70 bucks just for the case and psu, I wanted to spend the most money on the processor and important stuff and less money on less important stuff like hard drive and case. What's wrong with the 35$ case I chose, it comes with 500w psu.
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July 8, 2012 5:58:52 PM

romeodakins said:
Why do I need a new case? I really don't want to spend over 70 bucks just for the case and psu, I wanted to spend the most money on the processor and important stuff and less money on less important stuff like hard drive and case. What's wrong with the 35$ case I chose, it comes with 500w psu.


the PSU in the case you chose is terrible! it doesn't have a strong 12v rail and no pcie 6 pin connector for a future graphics card. keep your case just replace the PSU with this one it the best of the cheap PSU's I could find:
Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460-...

this way you have a PSU that will work and wont go up in a puff of smoke!

I have personally hands on assembled over 500 computers. You get what you pay for.

cheap is cheap.

that's my advice take it or leave it.

you will need and adapter cable 4pin atx/eps to 8pin if you stay with the power supply in the case you chose.


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July 9, 2012 4:31:45 AM

jerreddredd said:
the PSU in the case you chose is terrible! it doesn't have a strong 12v rail and no pcie 6 pin connector for a future graphics card. keep your case just replace the PSU with this one it the best of the cheap PSU's I could find:
Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Supply-RS460-...

this way you have a PSU that will work and wont go up in a puff of smoke!

I have personally hands on assembled over 500 computers. You get what you pay for.

cheap is cheap.

that's my advice take it or leave it.

you will need and adapter cable 4pin atx/eps to 8pin if you stay with the power supply in the case you chose.

Thanks! What do you think about this case? http://www.amazon.com/Elite-Micro-Tower-Computer-TRN-X2... I can get this and the power supply for 50 bucks.
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July 9, 2012 6:49:29 AM

romeodakins said:
Thanks! What do you think about this case? http://www.amazon.com/Elite-Micro-Tower-Computer-TRN-X2... I can get this and the power supply for 50 bucks.


reading the review on it says it all... its Micro ATX sow it will be smaller and will need good air flow. I only see a small rear fan on it and it doesn't look like it has a front mount. I guess it will get the job done, if you like it get it.

I think the Raidmax ATX-248NWB I linked above is a better it has a good rear fan and a mount for a front fan. it would be $63 for the it and the PSU though.
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July 9, 2012 9:56:31 PM

jerreddredd said:
reading the review on it says it all... its Micro ATX sow it will be smaller and will need good air flow. I only see a small rear fan on it and it doesn't look like it has a front mount. I guess it will get the job done, if you like it get it.

I think the Raidmax ATX-248NWB I linked above is a better it has a good rear fan and a mount for a front fan. it would be $63 for the it and the PSU though.

Ok thanks for all the help, here's my final build:

AMD A8-3870K APU with AMD Radeon 6550 HD Graphics: $104.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006J420UE/ref=ox_sc_a...

ASRock MB-A75MHVS Socket FM1: $64.99
http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-MB-A75MHVS-Socket-USB3-0-M...

Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive: $16.99
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR...

PNY Optima 8 GB (2 x 4 GB): $39.99
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004DHNAGM/ref=ox_sc_a...

I found a 160GB Western digital in fry's for 25 bucks and also found this case that's supposed to be 100$ online but for like 30 bucks in frys. I'll also be getting that 30$ power supply.
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July 10, 2012 8:55:39 AM

Wait I don't get it, you guys said that this build won't be able to play games and can only play Dirt 3 on low settings but I'm finding all these youtube videos playing Skyrim on ultra with over 30fps with the same processor I'm gonna get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIX0J5HHL3s&feature=rela...

Above someone said I can't play dirt 3 but maybe on low settings but heres a vid with someone playing dirt 3 with same processor and no vid card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl9QlGuEDug&feature=rela...

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July 10, 2012 3:31:55 PM

yeah, APU is fine for gaming, as long as you keep the resolution to 1650x1080 or less (1600x900 is a good screen size)
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July 10, 2012 4:26:50 PM

romeodakins said:
Wait I don't get it, you guys said that this build won't be able to play games and can only play Dirt 3 on low settings but I'm finding all these youtube videos playing Skyrim on ultra with over 30fps with the same processor I'm gonna get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIX0J5HHL3s&feature=rela...

Above someone said I can't play dirt 3 but maybe on low settings but heres a vid with someone playing dirt 3 with same processor and no vid card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl9QlGuEDug&feature=rela...


the screen resolution was set to 1024x768 in the Skyrim vid and "With these settings I also have Anti aliasing OFF and relying only on Anisotropic filtering" and was using only about 1/2 of a 1920x1080 screen, so it really wasn't "ULTRA"

as you go up in Resolution you will need to crank down the settings. normal monitors are 1650x1080 or 1920x1080. at 1680x 1080 you could manage medium and low AA/AF, and at 1920x1080 you will mostly be on low settings for First person shooters. when you get more action on the screen the framerate will drop and the play becomes choppy as seen in the BF3 Vid where the the enemy engaged the player. The Dirt vid, didn't say what resolution it was done on or what settings were used.

All I am saying is don't expect stellar performance.

What resolution is your monitor?
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July 10, 2012 4:39:29 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
what $30 power supply?

with the APU a 300-350W *quality* PSU is all you need

this Antec VP-450 is only $35, and worth the extra $5.
http://www.amazon.com/Antec-VP-450-Energy-Certified-Sup...


the VP 450 was my first choice to recommend, but the OP's tight budget didn't allow. The CM 460 isn't a terrible PSU for $30 ( yeah its really a re-badged 400W), it's is better than any of the included PSU's that come with the cases OP was looking to buy.

the VP-450 would definitely be worth the extra $5 if the OP can swing it
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July 15, 2012 10:13:30 PM

Best answer selected by romeodakins.
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