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May 14, 2012 12:55:06 PM

Im currently running a single asus directCU II gtx 560 925mhz OC and thinking of getting an upgrade next to my overclocked fx-8120. I get solid fps in games, but GPU will be my next upgrade fosho.

So what do you guys suggest?

Get another 560 and SLI it or get an 580gtx ?
Also what PSU will i need ? I currently have corsair gs600.

Here are my full specs:
gigabyte 990fxa-ud3
fx8120 OC 3.8ghz
2x4gb corsair vengeance
corsair force gt 90gb ssd
wd 5400rpm 320gb storage
corsair gs600
gtx 560 asus overclocked 925mhz

More about : sli 580

a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 1:11:38 PM

GTX 670. Same price. More performance.
a c 172 U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 1:14:17 PM

Gaming box? Next upgrade should be to switch over to Intel. Sorry.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review...

Even the 2400 is faster then your CPU. If you want something that has the horsepower to drive a GTX580 or a big SLI setup, you need an Intel CPU.

And for those who will rate me down because BD is "good enough", make sure you look at Dawn of War II. The 8150 is the ONLY CPU that gets less then 60FPS. All other CPUs including the Phenom II chips and the 2400 get 60+. Are you sure its good enough? Are you sure its going to stay good enough?
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May 14, 2012 1:17:52 PM

sorry for my forthcoming language, but i honestly dont give a *** about if i get 10fps more with intel or not, fx-8120 was my choice because: it was 50 euros cheaper, it was better than my pentium dual core and i upgraded to amd 5 days go.
i play battlefield 3, dota2, guild wars 2 and other minor games (lol, minecraft etc.), as long as they run 60+fps then im good.

now, should i go for 2x560 or 1x580 and which psu should i need for that setup ?
May 14, 2012 1:29:04 PM

(sorry for my forthcoming language, but i honestly dont give a *** about if i get 10fps more with intel or not, fx-8120 was my choice because: it was 50 euros cheaper )


Amen to that, in my opinion i would go 1 580 and upgrade to sly later :) 
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 1:33:50 PM

Alright you to. CAN IT. Now.... 4745454b, Switching over to intel isn't a option for this guy. Sometimes you gotta see after someone's gotten a new CPU and Motherboard. Its gonna be really hard for them to see a reason to move over to a completely different socket and drop another 500$. Hes int he same boated reason i went AMD the first time.

Now cheti, Please calm down... We wan't to help you, like Samuel Spark said. a GTX 670 is gonna be the best option. So before you buy a GTX 580. Please Consider a GTX 670. It has more vram than a standard 580. and out performs a 580 easily. But the same cost as most 580's. Plus a 670 will last you longer. Your 8120 will be fine and won't bottleneck a 670 as long as its clocked to 3.8 or 4.0

As for a power supply a good quality 650 watt PSU will work.

BTW i have a Sabertooth 990FX so we have the same chipset and can probably share the same overclock. Your system is fine. Don't let anyone tell you its crap. I personally though will be getting off the AMD train after this, I have realized that upgrading AMD could have just gotten a nice Intel CPU if i would have saved up a little more
May 14, 2012 1:34:44 PM

looking at the benchmarks - dual gtx560's get 100fps in bf3... since mine are overclocked im guaranteed to get the best performance :p 
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 1:38:14 PM

cheti said:
looking at the benchmarks - dual gtx560's get 100fps in bf3... since mine are overclocked im guaranteed to get the best performance :p 

Good luck with that..... Don't always count on benchmarks or Youtube videos. For all we know they could be using High end CPU"s with a 590 running the game it make it look good. I remember watching youtube videos of a guy using a FX 6100 and a 560 ti running the game at ultra 1080p. But when i tried it i barely got 35-40 fps avg.
May 14, 2012 1:41:46 PM

i read *** about fx-8120's until i bought it... the only problems i had was heat and thats cause im a huge rookie - turned voltages down to 1.3V and voila - cpu is perfect...
i dont know why everybody disses it, but imo its great... running with a stock cooler on 3.8ghz at 50C max in prime95.

about the GPU -s , ill go with the 580 and then upgrade to sli later yeah :p 

what about psu ? how much wattage will i need for futureproofing 580 sli
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 2:24:55 PM

4745454b said:
Gaming box? Next upgrade should be to switch over to Intel. Sorry.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review...

Even the 2400 is faster then your CPU. If you want something that has the horsepower to drive a GTX580 or a big SLI setup, you need an Intel CPU.

And for those who will rate me down because BD is "good enough", make sure you look at Dawn of War II. The 8150 is the ONLY CPU that gets less then 60FPS. All other CPUs including the Phenom II chips and the 2400 get 60+. Are you sure its good enough? Are you sure its going to stay good enough?


Rated up. :D 
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 2:26:45 PM

cheti said:
i read *** about fx-8120's until i bought it... the only problems i had was heat and thats cause im a huge rookie - turned voltages down to 1.3V and voila - cpu is perfect...
i dont know why everybody disses it, but imo its great... running with a stock cooler on 3.8ghz at 50C max in prime95.

about the GPU -s , ill go with the 580 and then upgrade to sli later yeah :p 

what about psu ? how much wattage will i need for futureproofing 580 sli


Why are you going with a 580 when we just recommended a 670. If you aren't going to listen to our advice, then don't bother asking.
May 14, 2012 2:30:13 PM

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4745454b wrote :


Gaming box? Next upgrade should be to switch over to Intel. Sorry.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955 [...] 0-tested/8

Even the 2400 is faster then your CPU. If you want something that has the horsepower to drive a GTX580 or a big SLI setup, you need an Intel CPU.

And for those who will rate me down because BD is "good enough", make sure you look at Dawn of War II. The 8150 is the ONLY CPU that gets less then 60FPS. All other CPUs including the Phenom II chips and the 2400 get 60+. Are you sure its good enough? Are you sure its going to stay good enough?




Rated Down :D 

but, yeah its seems the gtx 670 is a better choice, btw just rating down a comment just because this will just become a intel dissin amd thread.... :( 
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 2:37:35 PM

cheti said:
i read *** about fx-8120's until i bought it... the only problems i had was heat and thats cause im a huge rookie - turned voltages down to 1.3V and voila - cpu is perfect...
i dont know why everybody disses it, but imo its great... running with a stock cooler on 3.8ghz at 50C max in prime95.

about the GPU -s , ill go with the 580 and then upgrade to sli later yeah :p 

what about psu ? how much wattage will i need for futureproofing 580 sli


If I remember correctly, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossf...
Dual 6950's are bottlenecked by FX. I think dual 560's will be bottlenecked as well. You'd earn more FPS with a CPU upgrade than a GPU upgrade.
May 14, 2012 2:38:08 PM

yea i didnt notice the comment about the 670...
i dont know how easy/hard it is to get my hands on one in estonia
May 14, 2012 2:44:21 PM

samuelspark said:
If I remember correctly, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossf...
Dual 6950's are bottlenecked by FX. I think dual 560's will be bottlenecked as well. You'd earn more FPS with a CPU upgrade than a GPU upgrade.



Hi, so let me get this straight, you want him to ditch his 5 day old AMD build, just because his cpu will bottleneck his gpu. Sometimes building a computer rig its all about budget and right now he is asking for help for a GPU.

So instead of telling him "AMD BD SUCKS!!!!!" we should see the fact that he just got a amd build and if that his cpu bottleneck his set up, lets help him with a suggestion that would last him some time.

cheti, if you plan to sli with those GPU, you will probably need a 850 or 1000 psu. from a good brand.

have a nice day


EDIT: nvm the psu part it depends on your final pick for the gpu
May 14, 2012 2:57:48 PM

Thank you Fict1on, you are the most intelligent person on the planet when it comes to rational suggestion like that. Thank you!
May 14, 2012 3:20:07 PM

I run two 560's in SLI with no problem with FX chip. So if you want to go the SLI route with the 560
's it won't be a problem with your cpu. The 670 if very nice, it's just the matter if you want to
spend $200 or $400 on your gpu upgrade right now.
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 3:25:25 PM

chase3567 said:
I run two 560's in SLI with no problem with FX chip. So if you want to go the SLI route with the 560
's it won't be a problem with your cpu. The 670 if very nice, it's just the matter if you want to
spend $200 or $400 on your gpu upgrade right now.


I'm not saying it's going to cause issue's. It's going to be the highest you can go before you stop gaining FPS from GPU upgrades. GTX 560 SLI = GTX 690 SLI
a c 172 U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 8:37:21 PM

As I feared my advice wasn't understood. Here's the thing. Assuming you are using a 1080 monitor, you've already got something that can run just about everything out there. GPU wise that is. The issue I think he'll find is that when using the GTX670 or SLI'd 560s, he isn't going to get the frame rates he thinks he will. And no amount of swearing at me will change that. I understand budget issues, but from what I've seen a 2120 or 2400 will outperform any BD CPU in games. I'm NOT saying BD is bad or shouldn't be used. If you do any of the tasks they are good at then you should get one. But they aren't good gaming CPUs. Sorry.

Using the link that was provided, check out the gaming benchmarks.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossf...

Crysis, 1080, no AA, even OC'd it can't break 50FPS, let alone 60. And that's only high settings. Where is the stock Intel CPU? (seeing as you can't OC the 2120/2400) 66FPS. I know that's the 2500, but I'd bet the 2400 can get close to that. Just cause 2? Again, even OC'd it can't hit 60. The other rig can hit 86FPS. Again, the 2400 should be close to that.

Go ahead and look around. Even OC'd BD CPUs can't reach what a stock clocked 2120/2400 can do. If its only been 6 days, try to return the AMD stuff and switch. You don't need to spring for the 2500, 2600, or even the new 3xxx CPUs. The 2120/2400 should be more then enough to handle modern gaming. Rate me down if you makes you feel better, but you asked for upgrading advice. You can put all the GPU power you want in that rig. BD is simply going to hold you back.

If it makes you feel better, I know what BD is good for. Media converting.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossf...

And its cheaper too. But with the info provided a gaming rig shouldn't have a BD as its heart. I'm not trying to be mean, but things are what they are.
a b U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 8:42:48 PM

samuelspark said:
GTX 670. Same price. More performance.

This. Do it.
a c 88 U Graphics card
May 14, 2012 8:54:41 PM

Yes grab the 670, sell your 560 on ebay , it will be a good upgrade for you, much better than 560 SLI.
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